Rich folks sure seem to pick the right candidates that actually get things done for them

[Crazy Dave]

It would be nice if the rest of us would do the same.

[kctim]

1. It just seems that way

because there are more of us and we all differ on what we want done FOR us.

[Crazy Dave]

4. I call BS!

Washington DC will do more to help seven people in a corporate board room than to help 700,000 or even 7,000,000 lower to middle class Americans.

[kctim]

7. Yes, sometimes that will happen

but what is seen as help and not help is dependent on one's personal opinion of the situation. Did President Obama help some people in a corporate board room or did he help thirty million with health care needs? Did the 2010 elections show the people were FOR single-payer or did they show the people are FOR less government?

[Crazy Dave]

10. Sometimes, more times you mean

Obama's HRC is what the insurance companies told him he could have, not what the people who elected him wanted or needed. Big insurance (ok so it wasn't just one board room) said, "no public option or else" so instead Obama's health care plan is to mandate (force) everyone and/or their employers to buy "for profit" insurance or pay a fine/tax penalty which really isn't something you should be proud of if that's all you can bring to the table. You claim that 30 million people were helped with their health care needs yet the CDC states there are more people without health care now than two years ago. And sure, you won't be able to get denied insurance for a pre-existing condition but you will pay higher premiums to get it.

The 2010 elections were because the smaller government people came out to vote. The single-payer and anti-war voters stayed home.

[kctim]

22. Now this post makes sense

PRESIDENT Obama's HCR is what he was able to get moderate Dems to pass. Not all of the people who elected him wanted single-payer or a public-option because many us see no difference in between a government mandate that forces people to buy a private insurance plan against their will and a government mandate that forces people to support and participate in a government plan against their will.

President Obama says he got what he could and that he did it for the people. You 'claim' he did it to please his corporate masters. Hmmm? You're claims or the PRESIDENTS own words?

The 2010 elections went the way they did because more people chose smaller govt over larger govt.
If you did not vote for a candidate who supports single-payer, you do not support single-payer yourself.
If you did not vote to give President Obama the support he needs to pass a public-option, you do not support a public-option.
President Obama CANNOT give you EVERYTHING you want, on his own. Even though he said he supports a public-option mandate, he CANNOT pass one without congressional support and it is up to US to give him that support.
You don't do that by making BS excuses of brainwashing, convincing yourself how stupid everybody but you are or by staying home and not voting.

[sabrina 1]

21. A lot of people wanted Single Payer. It's very likely that after the

HC debate, many lost interest in voting, especially Independents and young people.

Having a National Health care system would have saved this country a lot of money. So, that effects the entire country. Anyone working for the people would have been pushing for that.

Instead, the failing, predatory Health Insurance Business got a huge bailout, 30 million people forced to buy their sub-par product which because of co-pays, they will probably not be able to use. The subsidies will come from the public funds, passing first through the hands of Private Insurance where 20% of those funds will disappear into the bank accounts of Private Ins. When handled directly by the government, the cost of those subsidies would have had an overhead of only 3%.

Big Business doesn't spend the billions it spends paying to help reelect members of Congress to benefit the people. And most times, they get what they pay for, or they stop paying and buy someone else.

[Vincardog]

2. It would be nice if WE owned the media and had Trillions of $ with which to push our agenda

[crazylikafox]

3. that's because they have the money to buy them, not just "pick" them

[Crazy Dave]

5. That's because we're told that progressive democrats are unelectable

But yet Obama won and won in a big way running as a liberal/progressive candidate. Then we all found out he really wasn't what he claimed to be and therefore he will lose in an even bigger way.

Don't blame me...I always support Dennis Kucinich in the early primaries.

[kctim]

8. Um, he ran as a centrist

and the only people upset are the less than 20% who thought he was running as a liberal/progressive. Oh, and the Republicans.

[AlabamaLibrul]

9. He ran for single-payer, "looking at" legalization of marijuana, the end of DADT....

He did not run at all as a centrist. He acted, however, as a centrist (and I'm being generous here) during the first two years of his administration.

[kctim]

18. He ran for representing ALL

and he was not out there pushing single-payer at every stop, but did speak of a public-option. Promoting one or two certain issues which progressives believe are theirs does not mean he ran as one though. Remember all the backtracking from the god, guns dumbredneck statement? A very progressive view and one he fought off.
How many liberals do not believe in gay-marriage?

Anybody who voted for him solely because they think he promised to legalize pot is an idiot. Hardly only a progressive viewpoint though.

Like it or not, he ran as a Democrat in the center who would represent ALL Americans, not a minority of them.

[Crazy Dave]

11. Now you go to lying about his campaign

He ran saying he would end the war in Iraq

He ran saying he would close Gitmo

He ran saying he would to go after Wall St. and the people who caused the meltdown were going to jail

He ran promising equality for same-sex couples

He ran promising government option for health care

Totally non-centrist issues and I could go on but you are a liar and you are delusional.

[Wind Dancer]

13. Exactly!

He has been such a disappointment. Wish I could disagree with you!!!!

[kctim]

19. Sigh

The classic childish name calling when no leg to stand on tactic. Tiring.

Are you so blindly partisan that you believe it would do all of that according only to the progressive stance on those things?

Did he say he would be pulling out all the troops overnight?
Did he say there would be no obstacles in closing Gitmo? Fixing Wall St?
Did he say marriage is the ONLY thing defines equality for gay couples?
Did he say he would GIVE you you're precious govt health care or that he wanted it and would work hard on HCR?
You do realize the President does not have the power to do it alone, right? If not, then you want a dictator, not a President.

Call reality a lie if you wish, but falsely to believe that YOU get to decide what was "really" meant, is, well, what is truly delusional.

[BlackHoleSon]

17. Delusional

Dude this IS the internet age. We know what Obama presented himself as - an agent of change. A centrist wants to preserve the status quo. Anyway, Republicans plus the 20% you so cavalierly dismiss means that Obama doesn't win in 2008 running as a "Centrist."
Stop with this stupid argument. It doesn't get you anywhere and it just pisses off the people who have been paying attention the whole time!

[kctim]

20. IF you had been paying attention

you would see that the ONLY people who do not approve of the job President Obama has been doing are the Republicans and die-hard progressives who are not getting EVERYTHING they want exactly how THEY want it.

He ran with a 'progressive' position on some issues and with a more conservative position on other issues. Not sure if you notice or not, but that is kind of in the 'center' of the two sides.
Now, why would he do that? Maybe because he knew he could not win without the progressive vote? And that he knew he had no chance in hell without the moderate vote? And that he doesn't hold progressive beliefs on EVERY issue out there, like gay marriage?

So, seeing how this IS the internet age and all, you should have no problem proving, with facts not opinions please, that you, Rush and Beck are correct and that President Obama ran under the promise of changing this into a progressive nation.

[jody]

6. Rich Folks finance enough Democrat & Republican candidates to buy bipartisan support for their bills

while grass root Democrats and Republicans allow themselves to be divided and polarized on a handful of issues on which no compromise is possible, e.g. abortion.

[notesdev]

12. Very easy to pick

just buy all of them and whoever wins is your man!

[Desertrose]

14. Yup. Best candidates money can buy. nt

[datasuspect]

15. they have the money to buy the best politicians who will represent their interests

the system is pay to play. and both parties are equally guilty/filthy.

[NorthCarolina]

16. You have to Pay to Play though. Money talks...the middle class walks. eom