Give me a reason why anyone should join your cause....

[HEyHEY]

It's all rah, rah until someone says a couple things that you disagree with, then, like tyrants, you send them off to the gulag. Yeah, great way to run things. I notice a lot of people don't practice what they preach around these parts.

"Fuck all the good things Stewart did over the years they mean nothing... nope, string him up now! And, not only that, let's take back the good things we said about him."

The lack of loyalty or willingness to even TOLERATE someone with the same political leanings having a different opinion is so unhealthy. That's how dictators and tyrants run things, not rational people. All that happens is the group gets smaller and smaller and more and more divided, then either one person has to rule with an iron fist, or a united front elsewhere takes over, in this case, the right.

Keep it up if you wanna keep losing.

[EFerrari]

1. We don't have a united cause, we're Democrats.

lol

[eleny]

2. Let me get this straight - Jon Stewart deserves "loyalty"?

Let me hold my side. :rofl:

[HEyHEY]

5. SO, it's acceptable to suddenly tear the guy apart and cast him out

Of your little circle of favourites cause of one week where he says shit you don't like?

[eleny]

9. Yes, when people say things I don't agree with - I will speak up

If I think Jon Stewart has morphed into a dangerous cynic then I'll say so.

[pgodbold]

24. What he/she said.

[U4ikLefty]

6. I know, isn't this preachy shit geting dumb?

Now they're telling us that entertainers are supposed to get our loyalty.

[HEyHEY]

8. This behaviour expands to people everyday.

[U4ikLefty]

Whatever

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9541449&mesg_id=9541765

[HEyHEY]

14. Oh, ouch, ouch, ouch

I'm so hurt.

[gateley]

13. I love how you spell 'behaviour' --

And I agree, love, love, love, then off with their head! It's fine to disagree with somet hings, and maybe be disappointed that s/he isn't essentially in lockstep with us, but it seems the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater. No middle ground. :shrug:

[RandomThoughts]

3. No one should join my cause. It is not what I expect, I am not perfect.

And I do not join other peoples causes. Although there are many ideas I think are better or worse, and think everyone should decide what they think is of better thoughts. And support the concepts they can think and feel are better.



However I agree there is much of what you post going on.

[marmar]

4. I disagree with the raison d'etre of the rally.....but I'm mindful of all the good Stewart's done...

..... such as calling out that abhorrent fraud Jim Cramer. Nobody's perfect. I'd rather live in a world with him than without him.

[HEyHEY]

10. See! What's wrong with your attitude? Rational and reasonable

Instead of the standard DU hyperactive response and calls for mutiny.

[Grey]

7. I have always enjoyed Jon

and your commentary, and I have to agree with you on this subject.

[JVS]

11. Would the Stewart fans decide for once whether he's just a comedian or if he's a political figure...

worthy of support?

[HEyHEY]

12. No doubt

He's a political figure when they agree, that's for sure.

[JVS]

20. Stewart needs to make a decision. He keeps wavering between mere entertainer and centrist demagogue

[Angry Dragon]

15. Free pizza and beer

[HEyHEY]

17. Lite beer? Cause if it's lite beer, I'm out

[Angry Dragon]

18. I was thinking more along the line of real English Guinness

But you can have any beer you would like

Less alcohol in American Guinness ...... not good

[ElboRuum]

16. Please don't bother.

I hate to see someone waste their time so.

This place has lost its way, its focus, and its mind.

[KT2000]

19. You have a good point

Sometimes the response to events here can be too reactionary. There should be room for disagreement, as in - I do not agree with what Stewart said and why.
The funny thing is that Stewart has never held himself up as belonging to a particular party. Projection from people on the left have pigeonholed him as a liberal though. He may have other objectives. My feeling is that he is more concerned with improving media than taking one side or the other.

[pipi_k]

21. Someone needs to keep an actual list...

Of all the people, places, and things we're supposed to hate. I can't keep track of them all.

Hate this one...don't buy from that one...boycott here...stifle there...don't watch this network...

:eyes:

[Little Star]

22. Maybe we should RESPECTFULLY remind Jon just how it was before

KO decided enough is enough.

Jon is a day late and a dollar short. He should have given this scolding when "FOX propaganda" was the only voice heard on TV.

I stand by KO because he at least had the balls to play in the game that FOX had set the rules by.

Don't get me wrong, I really like Jon but he is flat out wrong on this.

[HEyHEY]

23. What?

"Jon is a day late and a dollar short. He should have given this scolding when "FOX propaganda" was the only voice heard on TV."

That's all he's been doing since 2000 for christ's sake!!

[Jamastiene]

25. People disagree sometimes.

I don't know who said, "Fuck all the good things Stewart did over the years they mean nothing... nope, string him up now! And, not only that, let's take back the good things we said about him."

But, people just disagree sometimes. It has nothing to do with loyalty.

[The Straight Story]

26. Well let me explain it to you - SOME folks around here don't believe in principle

"your body, your choice" they yell - unless it is a choice they don't like. Then suddenly removing choice is A OK.

Challenge that, based simply on the principal of the whole ideal, and they just label you a 'libertarian' (you want to be free to have an abortion, drive a car, be gay and in the military? Then you are against government regulation and a libertarian).

To me it is real simple - you stand on a principle, an ideal. Freedom of individuals to choose? Stand by it and DO NOT GIVE AN INCH even if it is something you have no personal connection to (I don't smoke pot, am not gay, and cannot - as a man- have an abortion, but I stand by those affected by government regulations that stop them from enjoying the rights they should have. But then, I am a libertarian for doing so).

[HEyHEY]

27. They are just eating each other alive

This just isn't a good place to be anymore.

[The Straight Story]

28. indeed, I am getting tired of being told I am libertarian because I believe in choice

I want less govt intrusion in the choices people make - when you give an inch they take a yard, but I am seen as the bad guy.

Either you are for freedom from others imposing their beliefs and ideals on you, or you are not.

And if you are not, then you should be cheering the fundies on when they are coming for things you care about.

I am finding myself wondering more and more why I am here anymore, this place has become weird in the last few years. Used to be people stood for something and stuck by such beliefs across the board, now it is just a mirror image (at times) of places like FR.

Now people like me are the bad guys, called names, all because I stand by the same principles I always thought progressives stood by - freedom of choice, religion, who you associate with, etc.

Never thought I would see the day that DU would become a place where restricting personal freedom was championed (and worse yet, some of those folks are making the case that it is about money...jeebus).

[ProudDad]

29. The problem with Libertarians is that they have no imagination...

Having never experienced a government "Of, By and For the People", they assume such a thing is impossible...

Therefore, all government is evil...

Whereas, "government" in the best sense is the Community designating representatives to make important decisions for the benefit of the community...

The "Community" will always make decisions that some members don't "agree with" or will feel is an abrogation of their "rights" and "Privileges"...

The biggest problem with libertarians is binary thinking and little imagination...

Progressives, on the other hand, believe in liberty within Community...

Perhaps you're a Progressive?

[The Straight Story]

30. Uh yeah I am a progressive

And also believe in freedom. Freedom of adults to congregate with like minded adults, to make their own choices, to not be jailed and punished by the government for making choices that affect them.

Example: Smoking in bars vs smoking at a grocery store. One you don't need to ever, ever, go to but choose to. The other you need to go to for food. Ban it in the one you have to go - I am ok with that. Ban it in the one you don't have to go to? Stupid and not progressive.

Sensible regulation I am all for. But because I am not for 100% govt controlling the lives of others I am called a libertarian.

When the govt bans abortion I will laugh at those here who whine about it and tell them 'so? what are you, a libertarian?' maybe then and only then will they finally stand up for principles. Freedom of choice - your body, your choice. I take it seriously, many don't - and I am the one they complain about?

[Jamastiene]

34. My mother said it best:

People always have a motive. No one does anything without a motive. You figure out their motive, then you decide if you basically can work with them or not. If you can, do it, but watch your back. If not, tell them where to stick it, but do it politely.

Someone was once preaching at her at her workplace. This was years ago in a rural area of the Bible Belt where that type of stuff just happens way too often and there is nothing you can do about it. So, they were talking about she was going to Hell for this and that and going on and on with their preaching. Finally, she got tired of their shit and said, "So, I'm going to Hell. Fine. Well, do me a favor. When you get there, pretend you don't know me." and that was that. They left her pretty much alone after that.

The moral to the story: people feel strongly about actions and ideas...or THINK they do, until those actions and ideas don't fit conveniently into their everyday life. If, later, it is inconvenient for them, they will turn in the blink of an eye.

So, many people may be A-ok with the smoking bans in bars and clubs, but wait until they start banning alcohol...then later chewing gum and who knows what else. Sooner or later, they'll start banning something that brings it home to them and they'll of a sudden care...but then it'll be too late.

"First they came..." really does fit.

I, personally, would be happy if the government would just its nose out of my fucking crotch and out of my life. It's none of their damn business who I sleep with, what I eat, how I tie my shoes, who I do or do not worship, HOW I do or do not worship, etc.

[ProudDad]

37. As one who was being choked by second hand smoke

while making my living playing music in bars...

Which is where most of the money was...

It wasn't a choice...

Bars are licensed by the State and therefore the State (community) has earned the right to say whether people can be poisoned there by carcinogens or not...

But I agree that regulations could be more sensible and based on science instead of the current political nature of most of them...

[superduperfarleft]

38. Dude, seriously, not everything is a smoking thread. n/t

[Stinky The Clown]

31. Are you speaking to anyone in particular, or are you just farting words?

Did it ever occur to you that maybe Jon Stewart wasn't universally beloved and now his unlovers get a chance to speak?

On any issue that generates noise on DU and elsewhere on the internetz, there are people on all sides of issues. If you're just reacting to the volume, you could easily be dead wrong in your assumptions. The volume now is no proof that people have turned on Stewart; they may never have liked him..

[HEyHEY]

35. Sigh....

You didn't get my point at all. And if they didn't like him all along why wait until now to talk about it?

[demmiblue]

32. This OP is hyperbolic funniness. lulz. n/t

[Kang Colby]

33. +1

Us DLC folks have been wanting to split for a long time. I'd take one Stewart over a hundred Olbermanns any day.

[jonnyblitz]

36. let me get this right, we will lose our "cause" if we criticize a

talk show host from Comedy Central? :rofl:

you have completely fucking lost it. :crazy: :crazy: