12 Year-Old Girl Beaten By Kids Over Her "Male" Name (And guess where they were before the attack?)

[WillParkinson]

MISSISSIPPI: 12 Year-Old Girl Beaten By Students Over Her "Male" Name

A 12 year-old Mississippi middle school student was surrounded and beaten by a group of students who had been bullying her because her name is Randi. Which is a boy's name. And guess where the little creeps had been just before the attack?

After a Fellowship of Christian Students meeting, four girls and a boy surrounded her. "They started talking about me like I was a man, and like, stuff like that. That I shouldn't be in this world. And my name was a boy name," she said. Foster described how these people attacked her. "I was kicked in the rib. I was kicked in the leg. I was hit in the face. I was sat on top of and my face was jammed into the floor. I was thrown onto the cafeteria table. I was thrown in between the seats." Her mother, Meggan Foster, is appalled at the whole ordeal. "She was sitting in a chair. Her glasses were broken. She had been crying. She had a bloody tissue in her hand from her nose bleeding," Foster said. She said that a surveillance camera caught the whole thing, but that the principal could not give her a copy because it involves other students.

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2010/11/mississippi-12-year-old-girl-beaten-by.html

[xchrom]

1. recommend

[Solly Mack]

2. K&R

[csziggy]

3. Time for a lawsuit against the school system

If for nothing else, so the family's attorney can get a copy of the recording of the incident. Those students need to be charged.

"Boy name" my ass - those little thugs just wanted to beat someone up. If it hadn't been for Randi, it would have been someone else that did not fit their narrow definition of what is normal.

[raccoon]

9. Yeah, I hope they get a barracuda lawyer. nt

[LawnLover]

19. Lawsuit?

How about a criminal prosecution? These so-called "Christian" kids should be in juvenile detention.

[WinkyDink]

54. Arrests for the bullies; lawsuit against the school.

[CanonRay]

87. and the Christian Fellowship as well.

[greenman3610]

140. sue the fellowship

[onpatrol98]

210. Sue the fellowship?

That's ridiculous. They didn't send the kids out there to fight. That's like suing DU if a group of DUers went out and beat up a republican.

[Scruffy1]

235. Wher do you think they get their marching orders

[Celtic Merlin]

230. Exactly. Criminal charges against the bullies & a lawsuit against the school district.

You get the bullies into a correctional program - even if it doesn't involve a detention center. But they could spend 24-72 hours in one just to scare the living crap outta them. Once the criminal case is over (a conviction should be a lead-pipe-cinch with the video tape entered into evidence), the parents have clear recourse against the school district (monetary damages and policy changes) and clear recourse against the parents of the bullies for additional monetary damages.

Bet that'll wake up the Christo-fascists in that sleepy little town. Perhaps they could begin teaching the message of Jesus: acceptance, tolerance, and care for one another. That would be a shocking change for the "Old Testament" preachers.

This kind of shit REALLY pisses me off, damnit!!!
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Celtic Merlin
Carlinist

[skepticscott]

179. Bingo! Only took 19 posts

for "No True Christian" to be tossed into the ring.

[Crunchy Frog]

189. Well, I don't think there's anything in the New Testament that's attributed to Jesus

that would condone that sort of behavior. Maybe a "True Christian" would do it, but not a follower of the teachings of Jesus.

[Speed8098]

302. "No True Christian"

Bingo! Only took 19 posts
Posted by skepticscott
for "No True Christian" to be tossed into the ring.

What's your point??

[Plucketeer]

79. It's a good thing...

..she didn't have a Muslim-sounding name!

[AsahinaKimi]

276. +1

The violence has come home to roost in CONSERVATIVE land..

[Imagevision]

323. K&R!

[LWolf]

116. I hope charges will be filed.

Why aren't you calling for prosecution of the bullies, and a lawsuit against them? Who are the perps here?

[csziggy]

175. Read my message - if the recordings cannot be released, a lawsuit could get it done

A lawsuit would involve the discovery process, requiring the release of information so that the recording then could be made available to the police. If the police will not charge the bullies without more than hearsay and if the local prosecutor will not push for obtaining the evidence, then the evidence could be obtained through the lawsuit.

[LWolf]

178. All you need for charges to be filed is for parents to file them.

If the school did not call them, and I agree that they should have, there is nothing stopping the girl or her parents from picking up the phone and filing charges.

I can't imagine why parents would file a lawsuit against the school district but wouldn't file assault charges against the perpetrators.

While recordings of minors aren't going to be released to the public, they can certainly be released to law enforcement as evidence when minors are charged with assault.

[csziggy]

180. I wonder if the parents do not know that - they may think it is up to someone else

Such as the police or the school system. And if the principle does not want a fuss made, he/she may have mislead them to think so. Many people have little or no experience with crime or how to proceed, so that would not be surprising.

[uppityperson]

117. "No charges were filed because police were not called." Sounds like the principal is trying to

cover it up. Won't release the security camera films "because other students were involved" but the police weren't called. Time to get the cops involved.

[barbtries]

125. the mother

can take her child to the police station and file a complaint and i hope she does.

[uppityperson]

134. me too. I remember wayyyyy back when I was in middle school

a boy come to school beat to crap and we were all so shocked, except for those who had beaten him up. He was from a poor family, but was a really nice gentle guy. He was so embarrassed to come to school black and blue and stitched up. It was an eye-opening time for a lot of us to see this. I suspect the ones who beat him up were not prosecuted but remained on the football/basketball teams, what with the times then. But it sure stayed with me and friends of mine.

I hope the mother files a complaint as people are responsible for their behavior and this is unacceptable.

[Irishonly]

167. I hope she does also

There is no excuse for these delinquents not to be punished.

[Kalyke]

159. Well, actually, the principal is correct on not being able to release it.

Under FERPA, school officials cannot release identifiable information about students to anyone other than the student and/or the student's guardian without permission.

A judge could overrule that, though.

Now... in-so-far as not calling the police - you're correct. The principal sounds like he is trying to cover it up.

[LiberalFighter]

258. I'm thinking that if the school did not report it to the police

that they could be in serious trouble legally.

[ThomCat]

294. Seriously, a physical assault, resulting in harm, and they didn't call

the police? What the hell were they thinking? :(

[LiberalFighter]

300. They were trying to protect their scum sucking asses. Which belongs in jail.

[davidwparker]

120. +1

[azureblue]

147. it's the Hernando MS middle school (in DeSoto county)

(Hernando, MS 11/4/10) - A 12-year-old girl was beaten by fellow students at Hernando Middle School on Wednesday, ostensibly because of her masculine-sounding name.

Randi Foster is a four-foot-nine student who doesn't go looking for trouble. But on Wednesday morning at school, she ran into plenty of it. After a Fellowship of Christian Students meeting, four girls and a boy surrounded her. "They started talking about me like I was a man, and like, stuff like that. That I shouldn't be in this world. And my name was a boy name," she said.

Foster described how these people attacked her. "I was kicked in the rib. I was kicked in the leg. I was hit in the face. I was sat on top of and my face was jammed into the floor. I was thrown onto the cafeteria table. I was thrown in between the seats."

Her mother, Meggan Foster, is appalled at the whole ordeal. "She was sitting in a chair. Her glasses were broken. She had been crying. She had a bloody tissue in her hand from her nose bleeding," Foster said. She said that a surveillance camera caught the whole thing, but that the principal could not give her a copy because it involves other students. Still, Meggan Foster said the principal told her the footage shows Randi was not at fault, and that she tried to avoid the situation several times.

[csziggy]

166. When I was growing up in Polk County, Hernando was one of the counties

We didn't go to. Many families would not go to away football or basketball games in Hernando, they had such a bad reputation. And that was over 40 years ago.

[Gore1FL]

186. Legal authorities can get the tape.

But FERPA regulations will not allow it to be release to individuals.

[jberryhill]

213. It's discoverable in a civil suit

It can be subpoenaed under a protective order, and the attorney will get it.

[texastoast]

188. Not the school - the beaters' parents need to pay for this

Civil suit for everything they've got.

These haters need to training their little animals to keep it in check. You do that by getting in their pocketbooks.

Deeply.

Poor little girl.

[csziggy]

217. But the school administration made the decision to not report it

And to avoid getting law enforcement involved in an obviously criminal situation. That is why a lawsuit against the school might be the way to get to a criminal investigation, since without the assistance of the school authorities it is one child's word against a gang of other children.

[marmar]

4. Where are these little Jackboots coming from?

nt

[Occulus]

11. Church. n/t

[Fumesucker]

12. Second paragraph of the OP..

"After a Fellowship of Christian Students meeting"..

[jberryhill]

21. Were they all at the meeting?

Was she leaving the meeting, and ran into them, or vice versa.

The story doesn't say.

[Fumesucker]

27. Whose fault is it that the story is poorly written?

I'll admit to being prejudiced against a certain sort of "Christian", I grew up around a great many of them and took a lot of grief myself for not being a member in good standing of their particular cult.

[jberryhill]

29. How it is written is not your fault. How you read it is your fault

Maybe they were at the meeting, maybe they weren't.

The story simply doesn't say.

[Fumesucker]

32. Read post #26...

I had a similar experience in a similar area both to the OP and to GrpCaptMandrake's story.

[xxqqqzme]

91. The article says she was sitting in a chair.

The girl says she was thrown onto a cafeteria table...2+2= she was sitting in a chair in the cafeteria?

[jberryhill]

211. Good point

I guess then the question is whether the meeting was in the cafeteria.

Whatever happened to copy editors at newspapers?

[uppityperson]

109. I hate poorly written articles. Cops not called, not clear who was at the meeting

I'd like to know if she was at the meeting, the ones who beat her, or all of them. I did a search and can only find copies of this story. Bah to poor journalism and BAH for not involving police.

[AlbertCat]

83. "After a Fellowship of Christian Students meeting"..

I suppose they discussed how they were gonna beat her up, said a closing prayer, and then went for it. After all, your "name" has magical powers ( that's why you must type "G*D instead of "GOD") that define you (even though you have no say in what name your parents will chose for you.) With a name like "Randi" (alternate spelling don't change the magic!) it was only a matter of time before she grew a penis.

This is the magicalicious world of religion!

[LanternWaste]

202. I see... after this, therefore because of this...

I see... after this, therefore because of this (post hoc ergo prompter hoc)

Because it simply wouldn't have happened had they been coming from elsewhere.

[riderinthestorm]

240. I read the article as pointing out the hypocrisy of a group of kids

coming from a christian youth group meeting, turning into little thugs directly after.

It's about the hypocrisy, not that it was a causative factor per se.

[Zoeisright]

260. The point is BECAUSE they came from a 'Christian fellowship group'

their actions are even more heinous.

[Arugula Latte]

71. Religious indoctrination. nt

[Posteritatis]

92. Their idiot parents. (nt)

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[onpatrol98]

212. Logic Fail

[Mimosa]

5. Hope a lawyer gets the video

And the mother sues the school.

[WillieW]

6. sue the school.

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[deutsey]

18. I love Bill Hicks' encounter with three redneck Christians

who met him after a show where he made a joke about Christians:

They we're pushing him around saying, "Hey buddy, we're Christians, we don't like what you said."

He said: "Then forgive me".

[theHandpuppet]

51. +1000!

:rofl:

Classic comeback!

[rasputin1952]

132. That's thinking!

Love it...:D

[rhett o rick]

177. Funny except that'd only work for real Christians. The fact they were accosting him showed they were

really Christians.

[Courtesy Flush]

46. Little known fact...

In the ancient world, "Jesus" was a girl's name.

[jberryhill]

8. It's unclear where her attackers were prior to the attack

"After a Fellowship of Christian Students meeting, four girls and a boy surrounded her."

She was leaving the meeting and was surrounded by students who were not at the meeting?

They were leaving the meeting and found her, having not attended the meeting, afterwards?

They all attended the meeting?

I took the subject line challenge and give up. Where was everyone in this story before the attack?

[AlbertCat]

84. Where was everyone in this story before the attack?

Jesus H Christ! :eyes:

Who gives a fuck?

I'll bet every attacker identifies as Christian. it is MS after all. They probably learned her name at the meeting.

[Le Taz Hot]

10. Onward Kkkristian Soldiers!

Kick a 12-year-old in the ribs fer Jaysus! Fuckwads.

[mfcorey1]

13. I am wishing I could have been there to come to her defense. This makes me so angry. I hate

bullies. Sue each one of the kids regardless of their ages and let them learn a lesson of how justice works. Did I see press charges in addition? They always run and hide under the cover of being children who need direction.

[Cid_B]

15. Really?

Are we at that point in society where kids get in a fight at the flagpole at 3 and we want to sue everyone in sight?

It's a real paradox for me. On one hand its utterly lazy because it puts all the work of fixing the situation on someone else away from the parents and the school. On the other hand its the exact opposite because people don't realize what a joy the legal system is. BUT LETS SUE!!! RAWR!!!

Gimme a break,,..

[CBGLuthier]

20. Do you not see the fucking difference between

kids getting in a fight and a fucking MOB beating a defenseless child?

Christ the stupidity here hurts so god damned much.

[msongs]

24. you may believe its ok to launch criminal attacks on kids but others do not nt

[mfcorey1]

28. Your reaction is why this kind of thing keeps happening. Because the bullies know that someone will

always come to their defense and they will be away with what amounts to attempted murder. A young man in Atlanta just died from a beating from other children. I guess you support those hoodlums too.

[LibertyLover]

30. So you have no problem with 5 kids ganging up another kid

and beating her because of her name? Really? Perhaps the ratio of 5 to 1 in this instance eludes you. Two kids exchanging a few punches after school is one thing - 5 kids punching, hitting and kicking another kid is a whole different ball of wax.

[Ikonoklast]

31. Expected, coming from you.

Radar, flying under.

[HughBeaumont]

40. Said ignored jackboot offered a lot of similar SOTF crapola on my thread (see journal) also.

Thus the reason he's in the RedX Toilet swimming with other like waste.

[Ikonoklast]

49. I hear you, Hugh.

A calming scene for you.

[fascisthunter]

56. WHy is he still here

that's what blows me away. Writes like a sociopath would blaming the victim.

[HughBeaumont]

69. There are a LOT . . . of people that I ask that of.

They're just better at flying under the radar than others *cough*paulsby*cough*

[Fumesucker]

33. A five to one stomping is a "fight at the flagpole"?

:shrug:

[uncommon]

38. Multiple kids beating up on a girl because of her name isn't "kids getting in a fight at the flag

pole at 3" for pete's sake.

I'm not saying sue, but those kids should be seriously punished for their actions.

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[Canuckistanian]

41. Yeah, where's the common sense here?

Why, I used to be beaten unconscious by as many as 15 people when I was in school.

And my parents had no sympathy for me while visiting my hospital room. They said it "built character".

And people always say to me "What a character you are", so it worked.

[olegramps]

43. So, its just kids being kids. Really.

[leftynyc]

74. I'm not saying sue them

I'm saying get a lawyer to get the videotape and put it on local television so everybody knows who to avoid. I didn't read the whole article but unless she was really hurt and needed medical attention, suing will only make the lawyers rich.

[xxqqqzme]

98. That is the whol article except for the last sentence.

"...No charges have been filed against Randi's attackers...."

[leftynyc]

123. That doesn't mean she wasn't hurt

Did she want to file charges and the police refused?

[krabigirl]

75. Either sue or allow the victim to beat the crap out of the assailants.

I did the latter in school, but i only had one or two bullies. This was a big group. Also, standing up for oneself will get the victim expelled nowadays.

[DeSwiss]

110. It's posts like yours.....

...that make me glad DU has an IGNORE button.

[Jamastiene]

119. From the tone in your post, I take it you would be against criminal prosecution

as well. That would involve "the legal system" too.

:eyes:

[Politicub]

135. Yes we fucking are. This has to stop. It's more than fighting at a flagpole

This is the attitude that's holding back doing something about this.

I'm not sure if you've ever been bullied, but it's very abstract to people who haven't experienced the fear and humiliation. The person being bullied being told to "fight back" is nonsense and terrible advice.

[Cid_B]

145. Yes I was.

That's also exactly how I dealt with it. The majority I dealt with with words and only one or two required a physical intervention. It is realistic and there's nothing abstract about it.

[Politicub]

197. There isn't one good reason why workplace-like protections can't be conferred to kids at school

I would take it to HR if someone at my company were to shove me down stairs or pick a fight, and they would be obligated to do something about it. Otherwise I could sue for harassment.

I don't agree with your point of view at all, and believe people with a nonchalant attitude like yours are part of the problem.

"One or two required a physical intervention" -- do you mean a fight? Because IMHO, nothing should require that. Insanity.

[Cid_B]

Good lord..

Really? There is nothing out there in your world that is worth throwing a punch?

I may have misread that one and I'd ask you to clarify...

[Politicub]

286. No. There's not.

Seek help.

[TBF]

144. You'll need to re-read the story since you failed to comprehend the first time -

kid was jumped by several others. That is not a "fight" - that is an attack that should be reported to the police. Yes, lawsuits - against the fellowship if the thugs were coming out of that meeting & especially against the school district.

Sorry but the "blame the victim" thing doesn't work on this site.

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[Zoeisright]

263. Wow. Did you learn that attitude in church?

Because it sure sounds like the same shit my 'Christian' abusers used.

[Cid_B]

264. I am not...

... nor have I ever been particularly religious...

What else ya got?

[susanwy]

265. Are you for real?

We have two types of children we are raising with incidents like this:

1. Bullies and thugs who think they are above the law and can get away with murder because their actions make them look "strong and decisive", i.e. not wimpy. They are encouraged by dogmatic religious or political zealously and are convinced they are right and everyone else is wrong and deserving of ridicule and scorn. Generally these children grow up and vote republican - so I have to ask - why are you on this site?

2. People who believe in the fair application of the rule of law (because what these kids did is assault). People who believe in the chain of command because YOU should go to your boss (teacher, principal) when someone shoves you out of your chair and beats you because you might be "different" then they are or what ever fucked up reason they come up with in their demented minds. It makes no difference if your are a child or adult, assault is assault. And yea, I'd follow the umbilical cord back to my mother if I'm a minor, because as a mother I would have the boss's (teacher, principal) head on a stick (metaphorically), if they didn't enforce disciplinary action against another employee that injured my son or daughter. I've always taught my children that speaking up for yourself when you've been harmed is STANDING up for yourself, whereas violence only lowers you down to the attackers level. Besides, have you not ever heard of workforce rules against harassment? That shit will get you fired. Generally these children grow up to be democrats or at least good solid left leaning independents.

3. (I know, I said two, this one is an OPTIONAL category) The victim and the institution work within the system (legal, arbitration, education) to enlighten the attackers as to why the behavior WAS wrong. They work to forgive (like Jesus would do), teach acceptance (not just tolerance), teach that violence solves nothing (read Ghandi) and in the end the institution (school, workplace, community, world) is a better place. Generally these children grow up to be true progressives...or as you would call them wimps.


peace

Susan (three guess as to what option I choose)

edited for spelling (but not for grammar because after a couple of glasses of wine on a Friday night, my inner English teacher does not care)

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[Devil_Fish]

You don't even deserve a reply.

You obviously don't have any children, probably because your 12 years old.

If an asshole assistant manager assaults my daughter, she should file charges and put his ass in jail. Thats the way it works in the adult world. Your mom really should watch you net activity more closely. Here is to hoping you get pepper sprayed by that little girl you beat up at school yesterday.

Welcome to my ignore list. your the first one to make.

[Wednesdays]

288. That's a bit over the top, don'tcha think?

Compassion, anyone?

[Devil_Fish]

317. Yea, I guess I should have added "When you try to beat her up again."

Sorry for the miss-understanding.

[Zoeisright]

261. Yes. We do. Kids who do this grow up to be abusers.

They need to be stopped NOW.

[Odin2005]

268. Digusting posts like this one is why bullying keeps happening.

FUCK THE "kids need to grow a thicker skin" BULLSHIT!!!

[LeftinOH]

14. What awful children. Don't expect their parents to challenge their behavior, though..n/t

[Upton]

16. I'm not sure how much this has to do

with the students attending a Christian event. I have what could be interpreted as a female middle name, albeit with a different spelling. I was teased rather mercilessly about it and it never came to anything physical, but I think this is just kids being kids..

[Posteritatis]

88. Behold: DUers are beginning to feel comfortable defending swarmings as "kids being kids." (nt)

[auntAgonist]

254. kids just being kids? gods I HOPE not ...

If this is what our kids are becoming then we are in for a horrible future. This isn't kids being kids, this is mob mentality and the kids should be punished to the fullest extent of law as it pertains to them.

My heart aches for this young girl. What a horrific thing to have to go through.


aA

[flor-de-jasmim]

17. SUE THE PARENTS

After all, wasn't it just last week that a judge decided a FOUR-YEAR OLD could be sued? If there were adults witnessing this who did nothing, that's one thing, but just because it happened in school does not necessarily mean the school is liable (IMHO), but certainly the parents should be made to give restitution.

[Xenotime]

53. or at least take their kids away.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

22. Randi is a female name in Norway, and

it's hardly new as a girls' name in the States. I met a "Randi" in elementary school fifty years ago.

[dgibby]

142. My neighbor across the street is named Randi.

Wonder what these little hoodlums do to people named Terry.

[Crunchy Frog]

194. There used to be a female host of an Air America radio show named Randi.

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[ThatsMyBarack]

60. Sieg Fucking Heil!

Christo-Facist hypocrite BRATS! :mad:

[pnorman]

67. Thanks for those photos!

I'll try to search out the context, and will appreciate any help you could offer.

PS:Here's a relevant site: http://www.somareview.com/mostfamouschristian.cfm

[LeftinOH]

25. Ahem- the (male) governor of Mississippi is named "Haley"; stupid kids.

[Wednesdays]

290. Hey! IOKIYAR!

Don't they ever learn you nuthin'? :spank:

[HuckleB]

327. +1

[GrpCaptMandrake]

26. Old wounds . . .

. . . open more easily than we know.

I grew up in the Deep South, not all that far from where this incident took place. My first name is one that over time came to be deemed "a girl's name." As a child, I complained bitterly to my parents for the constant teasing I took over it at school. In my junior year of high school, I was "cordially invited to enter" the America's Junior Miss pageant . . . all based upon my first name. Those years hitting a blocking sled on the football team? Nada. Macho-ly peeling out of the high school parking lot? Nope.

Shakespeare asked "What's in a name?" My answer? "Plenty, buster! No one named you Wilhelmina."

It didn't come to violence, per se, but it did compel me to occasionally have to defend myself. Cf. "Boy Named Sue."

Against my better judgment, I acceded to my wife's desire to name our only son after me. "Honey, you don't know what you're letting him in for." "Oh, don't worry," she replied, "times have changed."

It's true. They have. They've gotten worse. Where I was teased and called out, my son spent his middle school years getting literally stomped to the ground and regularly called "Faggot." It took a good-hearted kid and turned him into something we've had to work hard to keep him from becoming: the mirror-image of his attackers.

And, as usual, it DOES all start in the church, at least in these parts. A river of venom and vomit flows from the local pulpits here, buoying along congregations ready to hate in the name of the "Prince of Peace."

[nadinbrzezinski]

154. Hugs

and yes I do get it... no, not over a name...

[tsuki]

34. Was the Fellowship of Xtian Students an extracirrucular school event,

or was some religion using the school building?

If the former, the teacher in charge needs to be disciplined for leaving students unattended. If the latter, that group needs to be gone for leaving its participants unattended.

[progressoid]

35. And why weren't the police called?

[Posteritatis]

90. Because, generally speaking, people like and support bullying. (nt)

[stuntcat]

158. +1

exactly

[Odin2005]

271. Because the principal was covering his ass.

[Luciferous]

36. Send those little bastards to juvie!

[Cassandra]

37. My brother's name is Leslie...

and I got bullied for it regularly, by kids who were bullies. Most of them were also Christian but there was no Christian Fellowship where I grew up. It may have been more about the Christian angst about sex and sex roles than anything else.
BTW, my brother is older, so I didn't name him and the kid who made the most fuss was a little girl named Francis. :eyes:

[Ikonoklast]

50. I went to school with a kid named 'Evelyn'.

He was a defensive end that ran a 4.3 forty , was 6'5" and weighed 265 lbs.

We called him 'Big E'.

Super nice guy. Smart, too.


Funny, no one, and I mean no one gave him any crap about his name.





At least, no one I know still living.

[WinkyDink]

55. Male "Evelyn" (as in "Waugh") has a long "E" at the beginning; female, short "E" sound.

So they are not really the same name.

[Posteritatis]

99. Unless it doesn't, names not being universally standardized and all. (nt)

[WinkyDink]

57. "Leslie" is a male name. And I'm betting the girl's name was "FrancEs", as "FrancIs" is the male sp.

Leslie Howard. Leslie Nielson.

Lesley is usually the female. Lesley Gore.

[Piltdown13]

107. Perhaps historically; not really the case anymore IME.

I haven't known any younger (i.e., 30s and below) guys named Leslie (any spelling), and the female ones, including myself, are all spelled Leslie (or some alternate like Lesli, Leslee, Lesleigh); Lesley seems to be really rare these days. Not saying that the gender distinction in spelling didn't once exist, I just don't see that it still does.

[dgibby]

143. My dad's sisters were named

Leslie Virginia and Willie Amanda. Everybody called them Les and Bill. You'd never have known there were any girls in that family when people were talking about them.

[Cassandra]

185. I think it was Frances...

although they sound the same. Believe me, I know the alternate spelling for Leslie. You're using logic in a situation where logic is ignored.

[csziggy]

219. I went to school with a girl named Leslie - guess her parents didn't read the books

About which spelling was which.

I also went to school with girls named Mickey (Michelle), Bobby (Roberta), Pat (Patricia) and Billy (Wilhemina). They were sisters, two sets of twins, and no boys in the family. Since they were very athletic, no one would have dared to beat any one of them up - and if they had tried, it would have been all four of them in the fray.

[Rhythm]

326. I work with a gal named Leslie...

Guess her mom and dad forgot to consult the 'big book of baby names' as well... :shrug:

[HughBeaumont]

42. Doesn't surprise me much.

My own church was a breeding ground for bastards.

What's even better is when your tormentors are teacher's kids. Where do you turn?

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[lpbk2713]

44. I have to wonder what the little miscreants think about "Oral" Roberts.

:rofl:

[Darth_Kitten]

45. Randi is a girl's name, but that's besides the point.

Poor kid. :(

[Dulcinea]

47. How very Christian of them.

I knew a Randi in my childhood--it was short for Miranda.

What about girls named Taylor, Madison, Jordan, or any of the other genderless names that are so popular in the South?

[YOY]

48. and they did not kick her because her name means an adjective that makes them feel uncomfortable?

Goddamn circus freaks.

[ladjf]

52. Raw, pathological sadism. The name thing was simply a pretext.

Those young perpetrators are criminals. I don't know their ages but, they should be dealt with harshly in proportion to the brutality of their crime.

[fascisthunter]

58. yee-up!

You nailed it

[fascisthunter]

59. right wing ideology

sick

[distantearlywarning]

61. Who would Jesus beat up for being different?

:puke: :cry:

[guyton]

62. In addition to $$ ...

Some lawyer's going to make a lot of money on this one. I hope there's some
left over for the kid.

But perhaps instead of just $$ for the family, the settlement could include
changing the daily mindless parroting of the pledge to a rousing rendition
of the Johnny Cash classic ... A Boy Named Sue :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1BJfDvSITY


Ok ... well maybe not. It's just hard to stay sane these days.

[Name removed]

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[Fumesucker]

66. Your post reminded me of this pie chart..

[cbdo2007]

82. So bigotry against majorities is ok?

Not to me, I'm against in all circumstances, not just for specific groups.

[uppityperson]

104. Thank you. I hate seeing a good rant against bullying being turned into

bigotry, even against a majority.

[onpatrol98]

220. Some of these rants...

Some of these rants are being used as excuses and justifications for being bigots against Christians. The kids that did this should be prosecuted fully. But, you don't blame an entire group for the actions of the ruthless brats who did this...that is bigotry. Plain and simple. Maybe acceptable DU bigotry...but bigotry all the same.

I'm glad to see some on DU recognize it for what is is...and are brave enough to stand against it...while at the same time defending the rights of this child who was brutalized.

[Fumesucker]

106. Interesting that you you complain about bigotry against Christians..

In a thread discussing an event where apparently a Christian group physically beat up a single individual who did not belong to that group.

What is the single most hated group in the USA these days?

Surprise, it's not Christians or even Muslims for that matter.

http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/646931ED-5AE8-4F4D-91C2-75A1002086E9/

Every single study that has ever looked at the issue has revealed massive amounts of bigotry and prejudice against atheists in America. The most recent data shows that atheists are more distrusted and despised than any other minority and that an atheist is the least likely person that Americans would vote for in a presidential election. It's not just that atheists are hated, though, but also that atheists seem to represent everything about modernity which Americans dislike or fear.

[fascisthunter]

313. .

[haifa lootin]

232. That's one of my favorites, along with

[MattBaggins]

72. A group of kids attending an atheist meeting

wouldn't have engaged in this kind of behavior.

[cbdo2007]

80. Atheists aren't violent toward other people???

hahah ha ha ha ha, funniest thing I've heard all day (so far)

[fascisthunter]

94. right now, not as violent as religious people are, that's for sure

[stuntcat]

160. +1

it's not just Holy Wars we get from religion, it's Dominion Over Earth too. Mankind is indeed the image of God :eyes:

[fascisthunter]

95. after reading that whole post, that is the one thing you decided to comment on

poor poor fundies.... a cult of bigotry and you have the balls to accuse others of being bigots.

[whathehell]

170. "Fundies" are a minority subset of American Christianity....They

DO tend to flourish in rural areas and in the South, in general.

In terms of sheer numbers, though, they don't hold a CANDLE to Mainstream Protestants,Catholics and Jews all over the country.

They ARE grabbing all the headlines, though, for their POLITICAL Right Wing shit.

[fascisthunter]

311. they are a minority that pollutes churches where good people worship

it's with anything else.... government, church, schools, etc. The bad eggs try to spoil everything for everybody, and it needs to be dealt with. How, depends solely on the situation itself... not one fix for all.

I agree with you.

[whathehell]

312. Agreed. n/t

[AlbertCat]

96. an anti-Christian agenda.

Well, obviously the "Christian" thing ain't working worth shit.


And none of us, I'm willing to bet, missed the "gay" subtext. And of course Christians just love gays! Neither did the location figure in, the buckle of the Bible Belt.

But of course, religion had NOTHING to do with it! :eyes:

[blackspade]

168. More like the groin fat below the Bible Belt

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[uppityperson]

105. Any of us who see this changing from anti-bullying to religious bigotry rant are

"offenders and sociopaths" who are defending the ones who beat other kids?

Wow.

[laughingliberal]

111. I stand by my statement. Never met a sociopath yet who didn't think they were the injured party. nt

[uppityperson]

114. Not what you said, not what I asked. nt

[justiceischeap]

64. It all ties into the attitude toward "teh gay"...

Really, if this society wasn't so tied into strict gender roles, what it means to be a woman or a man, this never would have happened.

I read some of the comments on the news site that first reported the story and people kept saying it was such a shame she was attacked for something "she has no control over" i.e., her name. I guarantee a lot of gay students that are bullied feel the same way. If society didn't condone bullying gay kids, this never would have happened. When I say that people condone attacks on gay kids (or gays in general), I mean that someone may say something derogatory against "teh gay" and another stands silently and allow those words to go unchallenged.

Then there are the churches that almost give out play books for attacking gays, and if the kids that beat Randi up were involved in the Xtian meeting, they saw no difference, I'd bet, between having a "man's name" and being gay. I mean, if you have a guy's name, you must be gay, right? Or vice versa?

And don't even get me started on the school admin not pressing charges. I would hope that after this report came out, the DA would step up and press charges anyway since there is video proof of an assault taking place. I don't understand why it's okay for kids to beat the crap out of someone but if an adult did that in a school to another adult, the police would be all over it. Double-standards aren't teaching these kids any kind of worthwhile lesson, what they seem to be learning instead is that they can act egregiously and suffer very few consequences.

[Lyric]

65. I have a female cousin named Randi.

Her sister is named Bobbie Jo and her brother's name is Tracy.

Fuck anyone who thinks that there's something wrong with the names they got. All of them were named after older family members, and all of them are wonderful people.

Those kids should be arrested for assault and battery. With video evidence, a conviction shouldn't be too difficult.

:grr:

[HughBeaumont]

68. My first name rhymes with "Fairy".

So yes, you can imagine what a peaches-and-cream Fantasia my childhood was.

It's like, how jaundiced of a person can one be where they have to insert "name" to their "List of Reasons to Be a Complete Dick to Someone", in addition to looks, race, weight, height, ethnicity, gender, age, sexual orientation and religion?

[InvisibleTouch]

310. All of those "reasons" are not the real reasons, of course.

They're convenient excuses for kids to be assholes and feel superior to someone. In a situation where all the kids were almost completely homogenous, of the same gender, race, sexual orientation, body type, religion, etc., and even had the same names, they would invent some other excuse to single someone out. Slightly different hair or eye color, for instance. I suspect the solution lies less in the direction of addressing "differences," and more along the lines of teaching kids to stand up for themselves and project confidence. And cracking down on assholish/bullying behavior regardless of their excuse, of course.

[leftynyc]

70. Get thee a lawyer

and get the videotape. Then put the damn thing on TV and make the little shits famous - along with their wretched parents.

[krabigirl]

73. Another example of that christian "love." very sick. Sue the school and the parents of the brats.

[hayu_lol]

76. Sean/Shawn is another of those names that cause trouble...

so many parents do not obviously know how to spell.

Lotta boys 'out there'who have Shawn for a name.

[TexasProgresive]

301. I've been told that Shawn is the Scottish form of Sean both are John n/t

[KamaAina]

77. Randi Rhodes could not be reached for comment

:eyes:

[rainlillie]

78. OMG! How horrible. My daughter has a unisex name..

[GrannyK]

163. My mother was not allowed to name my brother (during the 1930's)

Bobby Gene. The authorities in that small town hospital insisted that she must name him Robert Eugene. And to this day he takes issue if anyone calls him Bobby instead of Bob. Even though he was called Bobby during his childhood.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

81. Over 20 years ago

this lady I knew had a female dog (a bitch) called Doogie, named after Doogie Howser MD which was a popular TV show at the time. The next time I saw her I greeted Doogie by name only to informed by the lady that the dog was now called 'Susie' because her husband was very angry the female dog was given a males name. Her husband happens to be a very rabid right winger and religious zealot who writes weekly raving letters to the local paper.

[felix_numinous]

85. Religious leaders advocating violence and intolerance is the definition of evil.

[AlbertCat]

101. advocating violence and intolerance is the definition of Religion

It happens the minute you start with "My god's better than your god" plus "There's only one god".

[felix_numinous]

115. Religion can be used for peace and tolerance

it is a choice. Cults take away choice to follow charismatic leaders and I do not consider the major religious and spiritual paths to fall under the definition of a cult. However extremists use any ideology as tools for control, and their misinterpretation of religion is used for these ends.

I am against cults, and think it is crucial that we as a society distinguish and remove these elements from religion, because they actually work against people's free will. To follow legitimate spiritual paths are actually very conscious and aware choices. This is the bottom line IMHO.

I also think it is important that religions are separate from government and military, and if they advocate violence they should be disbanded for the greater good. Money and power has corrupted them, like everything else, and so there needs to be clearer laws preventing them from influencing policy.

[AlbertCat]

124. To follow legitimate spiritual paths are actually very conscious and aware choices.

What and who the hell decides when a "spiritual path" is legit?

How about forgetting the whole "spiritual" made up crap with zero proof or evidence of it existence.

There are no spirits.



BTW... Christianity was a Jewish cult, y'know.

Religions do not exist outside their believers... therefore there is no "pure" religious path. They are totally what their followers make them. You cannot "misinterpret" them.

[felix_numinous]

190. Following a legitimate spiritual path is a personal choice

emphasis on personal. We have the freedom to believe whatever we want in this country, but we do not have the freedom to act however we want. Ideological persecution works both ways, and it is usually the people with the most guns and money who subject the peaceful people of the world no matter who is religious or not. Religion used as a tool for domination destroys the freedom of religion, which last time I checked, we have in this country.

I believe in education, teaching philosophies and an opportunity to study all the cultures of the world, we have a lot to learn from them. Be careful about becoming a thought policeman, that could definitely backfire in unforseen ways :)

[AlbertCat]

199. teaching philosophies and an opportunity to study all the cultures of the world

Most people who do that end up being atheists.

[felix_numinous]

207. I apologize for bringing up religion

because the issue of a girl getting beat up is a legal issue. People who advocate violence anywhere are breaking the law. Forget the religious talk, we are just like teabaggers if we get caught in that trap.

Feeling superior about one's beliefs is what is creating these problems, one group is predating on another, and we all have to put a stop to it.

[skepticscott]

181. No version of "peace and tolerance"

that you'd care to describe can be achieved more effectively with religion than without it. And all sorts of hate and intolerance wouldn't be around at all if not for religion of one stripe or another.

[felix_numinous]

192. You know I think some people's only experience with religion

is the fire and brimstone heaven and hell crap. The peaceful paths are nearly invisible because people keep them mostly to themselves and don't hurt anyone. I am just trying to help us all not to paint with such a broad brush here, if we do our condemnation will turn us into the very monsters we claim to be against. Intolerance is intolerance.

To get back to the subject of the OP, taking advantage of the pulpit and inciting violence is a crime. I hold every preacher who does so as guilty as Glenn Beck and all the other crazy nutbags. They have blood on their hands.

[AlbertCat]

204. The peaceful paths are nearly invisible because....

.... they don't jive with reality.

My personal path is to not give any religion authority over me, to not acknowledge the illegitimate notions of anything supernatural, and to never jump to a supernatural conclusion/solution to anything.

There is nothing supernatural. Everything that exists does so because it can.... the laws of physics allow for it. This includes ecstasy, and intense feelings one might call "spiritual". They happen because some stimulus released the right amount of the right chemicals in your brain so... you have that feeling. I very often feel that way listening to Bach or Mozart, or on an excruciatingly beautiful day, or seeing a Vermeer or a Gauguin.

It would be nice if religious people lived and let live.... but they don't. It would be cool if we just appeared poof! in the form we are today but we didn't... we evolved. It would be wild if the universe was for us... but it's not. The notion that the universe is not completely indifferent to us has been thoroughly debunked and proven. Accepting that, and with it that we only have ourselves to help each other and dispense some kind of justice would make thinks a lot better. Perpetuating stone age guesses about souls and gods and the things that supposedly happen to you after death is not helpful.


And I never had to endure any fire and brimstone crap. (you assume a lot!) I did have to endure the persecution and shunning and hatred (I'm gay) from many of those moderate religionists you seem to think are OK.

[felix_numinous]

228. I am sorry to hear

that you suffered so much from these religious nuts. I completely understand your abhorrence of all religion, especially the old time bigoted kind. I am with you in wishing they would go away.

I know now I should have not brought up religion at all, it is not appropriate for this thread or this forum. People broke the law, and for us to turn an ethical and legal issue into an ideological one is a trap.

[AlbertCat]

272. I know now I should have not brought up religion at all,

Why? Because everyone didn't agree with you?

[polmaven]

304. More likely

because it provided the opening for spewing hate against any and all people of faith.

[defendandprotect]

86. K&R --

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[uppityperson]

102. Do you even see what you write? Substitute any other religion and see how that reads

Bullying is wrong and these kids should be in trouble with the law.

That said, "Today's Muslims act like the devil". Hmmm. "Today's Wiccans act like the devil"? Nope.

Anti-christian bigotry runs strong. How about making it into anti-fundamentalism, or even a rant again bullying instead.

[AlbertCat]

126. Anti-christian bigotry runs strong.

But never as strong as Christian bigotry.... and never will.

[uppityperson]

136. I don't see it having to be compared. Bigotry is bigotry and people need to be called on it.

Even I.

[BoneDaddy]

103. That is a blanket statement

and not true. There certainly are some who act the direct opposite, but most of the christians I know wouldn't do something like that.

[SemperEadem]

93. those children learned that criminal behavior in their homes

their parents provided an environment where that kind of behavior is encouraged. I'll bet they tune into beck's bullshit every night.

assholes. I hope this young girl and her mother pwn these asswipes.

Watch them start crying about how it's not their fault that they couldn't control themselves and were forced to beat the poor child because they're nothing better than thug animals. What trash. 5 kids, with premeditation and malice aforethought, colluded and conspired with one another to single this girl out and persecute and assault her---charge them as adults. Shame them and their families so that they can never rise off the mat from this.

this is precisely why there should be no religious anything on school premises. Open up the churches if they want fellowship meetings. Leave the public schools out of this jackbooted thuggery.

[AlbertCat]

205. those children learned that criminal behavior in their homes

Nope.

They learned it from their environment. Study after study proves children learn most all their behavior from their peers and environment outside the home.

[SemperEadem]

well you go right ahead and believe that if you need to.

I say they learned it from their parents--that's how they recognize what friends to hang with-those who think the same.

[AlbertCat]

275. well you go right ahead and believe that if you need to.

I don't need to.... it's what science shows.

It's also obvious. Children don't turn out just like their parents. They don't have the taste of their parents. Children of immigrants do not speak with the accent of their parents. They talk like their peers. and so on....

[demigoddess]

100. my son was beaten up regularly by church going kids for

having a retarded sibling. Lovely people.

[fascisthunter]

112. makes one wonder what their churches teach them

you'd think they'd instead learn to be more tolerant, understanding, kind and.... exactly.

[abelenkpe]

108. Appalling

I do hope this girl and her parents get some justice, that those responsible are punished appropriately.

I have a unisex name. When applying to grad school my acceptance letter was addressed to Mr.
Glad to have never encountered such bullies. What is happening to our society?

[avebury]

113. Parents should insist up on prosecuting the thugs

Not only should they insist on criminal prosecution of the thugs but I would add the school officials for aiding and abetting the assault. School officials have a responsibility for maintaining a safe environment for children. Civil suits against the school and families of the thugs would also be warranted.

Edit to add that if the parents insist on criminal prosecution, the school will have to turn over the video to the police.

[Jamastiene]

118. The stupid school administrations cannot even pretend that they give a shit about the bullying

much less do something about it. Heaven forbid they should ever punish their pets who bully other kids...and you know who the bullies usually are, the same untouchables that school administrations all over the country never punish no matter what they do.

Where is the "zero tolerance" policy for bullying? Notice every other thing that happens in schools gets a "zero tolerance" policy that they follow to the letter and then some, but not bullying?

Bullying is fine with them, apparently.

[flvegan]

121. Love thy neighbor (unless her name is Randi, thanks). - God

Isn't that what the Bible says?

[MagickMuffin]

122. Official News site with video @ link: interview with Randi and mother

http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-student-bullied,0,2907693.story

Her mother, Meggan Foster, is appalled at the whole ordeal.

"She was sitting in a chair. Her glasses were broken. She had been crying. She had a bloody tissue in her hand from her nose bleeding," Foster said.

She said that a surveillance camera caught the whole thing, but that the principal could not give her a copy because it involves other students.

Still, Meggan Foster said the principal told her the footage shows Randi was not at fault, and that she tried to avoid the situation several times.

"That should be a safe place for them to be. Not worried about getting attacked or being bullied because you look funny or you wear different clothes or you know, things like that," Foster said.

So, now the question should be Why are there christians groups meeting on public school ground unsupervised?!?

[radhika]

127. Christians should be banned as a Hate Group

...and Randi has always been a girl's name in Scandinavian countries, and throughout the USA. And on liberal talk radio. But the new MS No-Nothing Xtians don't have no truck with then furrin idees.

[Posteritatis]

128. That's certainly a classy reaction. (nt)

[skepticscott]

182. Ah, yes...Xstians are certainly

the victims here. :crazy:

[nxylas]

296. Did you call for Marilyn Manson's records to be banned after Columbine?

If not, why not? After all, it's the same argument, that what people were doing before an act of violence must be the direct cause of that violence.

[CLANG]

129. "That I shouldn't be in this world."

Sounds like they are suggesting that she kill herself. The parents of these cretins need to go to prison for raising rabid pit-bull children.

[rasputin1952]

130. What's up w/the bullying increase?

This is horrid tale of kids out of hand, no one was monitoring these kids? Caught on security tape...That will come out when the suit is filed. Poor kid, this crap needs to stop...beatings, ridicule, suicides all over kids that would never go one on one w/another...it's the "gang" mentality, it has always been with us, but we can change it if we are proactive.

[Posteritatis]

151. I'd assume a lot of it is people finally noticing a constant

Something being in the news more doesn't mean it's happening more, and bullying has generally been swept under the rug and dismissed as "kids being kids" for generations.

[rasputin1952]

169. This is true...

I remember how, as a kid, we would deal with bullies; can't do that anymore.

The whole pack mentality is disturbing.

[AlbertCat]

208. What's up w/the bullying increase?

The environment...


Beck
Limbaugh
Teabaggers
Terrorists....Muslim and others

It's all over the place!

What lessons did the Bush regime teach? Attack 1st. It's OK if you lie about why. If you're privileged, you can do anything you want. Religion and gut thinking trump reason and science.

[jberryhill]

215. An increase in news coverage is not an increase of incidence

It's like when there is an earthquake, then you get a lot of coverage of the tremors that happen everyday, and some idiot will think the apocalypse has begun.

There are, like, a bazillion middle schools, and now any fight is "news".

However, things like this do need to be treated as something other than "oh that stuff happens with kids".

Yeah, polio used to happen with kids too. We got rid of it.

[Beacool]

131. What's wrong with her name?

I don't know what's happening to our children. Is it because they are constantly bombarded by violence through TV, the internet and video games? Children can be cruel, but the level of cruelty seems to have escalated exponentially since I was kid.

I just don't get it........

:(

[rasputin1952]

137. I always thought Randi was a nice name...

whether attributed to The Amazing Randi, (James Randi) or Randi Rhoades...

[Beacool]

152. I think that it's a fine name too.

I can't fathom anyone being attacked because she's named Randi. It's a sick world we live in.........

:-(

[howaboutme]

133. What about a "Boy named Sue"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1BJfDvSITY

Sorry the devil made me do it:evilgrin:

Seriously this is a rotten situation for the girl and there will always be those who will bully others to boost their own egos, and it is disturbing that responsible adults and schools don't treat it aggressively enough, regardless if those involved were religious or atheists. Those involved need prosecuted by police using the video tape as evidence.

[guitar man]

138. Poor girl

I know how she feels. I've gone by Les most of my life but my full first name is Leslie, caught hell early on in school over it because even though it was originally a male name, there was a big trend toward naming girls Leslie as I was coming up.

And what the hell is wrong with these kids in Mississippi? When I lived down there I ran into girls named Bobbi all the time. "Bobbi Jo" was not unusual at all back then. Good grief!:grr:

[Cid_B]

157. Just bad luck...

Met two guys recently named Shannon. Maybe a family name.

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[NashVegas]

141. "Police were not called, so no charges are filed at this time."

When no one will stand up for a 12 YO, 12 YOs will get beaten.

[dgibby]

146. Here's a link to a news interview with her.

http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-student-bullied,0,2907693.story

[femrap]

148. I'd sue the hell of the

school. And I'd go after the parents as well. I'm sick of this crap.

edit: can't spell

[auntsue]

149. Seems to me it wouldn't matter what was different about a kid

to get these lil SOB's to beat her/him up. There's a climate of "values neutral" in schools. No one wants to step up and say "That's enough!" If these kids were in a fellowship meeting, they were sure not getting the right message. But I have known kids who knew how to say the right things to adults then be little monsters with their peers. The principal sounds like a total wuss. He needs to review the tape - then call in the parents of the perpatrators - and some cops - show the tape - then let the law take over, then victim's parents need a lawyer, or at least to say "If I don't see you do the right thing - you'll hear from my attorney."

I once dealt with a foster kid who said the bus driver was picking on him. There was video of the incident. Watched it with the principal and a union rep. I pointed out her (driver's) behavior and bingo - kid was right.

[nolabear]

150. I want more info. I don't mean I don't believe it but was the meeting connected?

Did they say something that implied that, or was it just where they happened to be together? Was there something about what heppened in the meeting that led to this?

I hope that Christian Fellowship group actually does something to indicate how appalled they are with this terrible behavior. The kids could be helped at this point if anyone wanted to.

[TheMadMonk]

267. The connection is the hypocrisy of going from a x-tian fellowship meeting...

...to a gang beating.

Whether or not they received instruction (highly unlikely) or influence (not at all unlikely) at these meetings is secondary to the absolutely un-Christian hypocrisy.


"The kids could be helped at this point if anyone wanted to"

Excuse me. Why the fuck should the victim always be the one forced to let go/move on, just so their abusers can be redeemed?

Why must schoolyard victims be forced to tollerate the continuing presence of their assailants, so as to avoid causing untoward damage to those assailants? These little bastards and their ilk make a vocation out of tearing down and destroying the weak and the different, but gods forbid that we ever let them experience what they so gleefully do to others, far better to let any further damage continue to befall the the already damaged victims.


Why the fuck should we (Christan and otherwise) acceed to their (or your) entirely hypocritical demands for a Christian response to their entirely unchristian behaviour? And why the fuck are so many here on DU soundly castigated for critisising Obama's continuing attempts to strike up a round of Kumbahyah with the Republicans?

[Wednesdays]

291. "Why the fuck should the victim always be the one forced to let go/move on..."

Exactly. I just don't get it--whenever there's a bullying incident, it's always the victim that must change his/her attitude or behavior.
:banghead:

[penndragon69]

153. Don't you just LOVE that old time religion?

[Kalyke]

155. I say we sic Randi Rhodes onto them for some attitude adjustments.

FWIW, "Randi," along with "Pat," "Shawn," "Don-sounding-like-Dawn," and a few other are names I never thought of as solely "boy names" or "girl names."

In any case, if her name had been Glenn (as in Close), why is that cause to beat her up?

A. She didn't name herself.
B. So the fuck what? It's a name!


I'm not understanding this at all.

[JudyM]

214. Hell yeah, sic Randi on 'em! nt

[sakabatou]

156. Feel Jesus' love! *punch* *kick*

[political_Dem]

161. This, along with the Mail Carrier story, has truly made me question WTF is wrong with people.

Let's face it. America is screwed up due to the poisoning of the airwaves of RW talk show hosts who are narcissists with anti-social personality disorder.

I hope the young lady gets better after her attack. I then hope she sues the malcontents and their families for everything they are worth.

The young lady and her family are in my thoughts.

[mrmpa]

162. Police report or go directly to the local magistrate

My nephew was in 8th grade when a student came up to him, hit him so hard in the stomach he doubled over in pain and threw up. He did not retaliate. His mom called me, after the principal said he couldn't do anything to the student because he was special ed and had an IEP. I told my sister-in-law to file charges at the magistrate's office. She did. The magistrate was fantastic. He sentenced the offending student to community service, demanded he apologize to my nephew, he also told the offender that he had no IEP in the courtroom, and the next time he touched another person in any form, he was going to be sent directly to juvenile lock. The offender's mother tried to make excuses but the judge told her to can it.

School administrators too often refuse to take action, because they are afraid of the offenders families.

[LiberalLovinLug]

164. This is the neoChristian

I'm sure they were influenced by their neoChristian, tea bagger parents. The neoChristian is a new type of Christian that rejects any kind of humbleness, empathy, social conscience, helping the less fortunate, and instead welcomes the money changers into their church, worships them even, and endorses using violence even death against who they perceive as the 'enemy'. In other words they use the name of Christ in their name, but abhor everything He stood for.

Unfortunately they are passing on their neoChristian values to the next generation.

[AlbertCat]

209. The neoChristian is a new type of Christian that rejects any kind of humbleness, empathy, social con

The neoChristian is a new type of Christian that rejects any kind of humbleness, empathy, social conscience,


Yeah! Like during McCarthyism. Like when Martin Luther was around. Like during the crusades. Is that when this "neo-christian" thing appeared?

[jennied]

165. The D in my user name stands for Danielle, people used to call me Dani for short.

I think unisex names are freakin adorable.

This is OUTRAGEOUS. Something needs to be done, ASAP. How completely ignorant can you get.

[Cid_B]

266. I've got a niece named Charlie...

Her grandmother (not from our side of the family) refuses to call her by that and refers to her by her middle and feminine name.

[whathehell]

171. Guess where they were during the attack?

Mississippi.:eyes:


Flame-on Mississippi DUers...But Mississippi, for one thing, IS the poorest state in America.

[Odin2005]

172. Dispicable. How very "Christian" of these little shits!

:grr:

[ut oh]

173. Sue them all

School, 'Christian' group (obviously not truely christian), the parents of all the bullying children, and the principle who seems to be protecting the bullies...

That's some serious BS...

[skepticscott]

183. And yet more

"No True Christian" apologism rears its head. How many examples do you people need to see that this is EXACTLY how many Xstians behave. Proudly and unashamedly, in gawd's name.

[get the red out]

176. Not at all surprised

what club they had come from. Southern Religious bullies in the making. There are a lot of them.

[terrya]

184. It's her NAME, for fuck's sake.

You weren't born with that kind of hate. You were taught. By your parents.

Of course, it's Mississippi. That's not surprising.

I particularly feel for Randi, since my name was perceived, when I was her age, as a girl's name.

[Crunchy Frog]

187. God bless Christian America!

[onethatcares]

191. I've always thought you had to teach kids to hate

and I'm certain these kids learned what they lived.

Time to make the parents of these kids do community service, for the kids to stand in front of their "christian" church population and individually

give a speech as to why they did what they did, why it's wrong and what they'll do to correct their behavior in the future. I don't mean all at one time

they can stretch it out over 6 weeks.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

193. Jesus Camp?

[texshelters]

195. Gee, and it was in Mississippi

Yes, not all Southerners are hateful ignorant bigots, but why did I immediately think it was in the South after seeing the title.

Yes, there is your modern Christian bigot in action.

Peace,
Tex Shelters
http://texshelters.wordpress.com/

[varelse]

196. Appalling

Also, not very Christlike.

[delightfulstar]

198. K&R

And after an FCA meeting no less. So, WWJD anyway? Not what these little delinquents did to this poor girl, no doubt.

I hope this mother goes after the school, and that these kids are punished adequately. I wish Randi all the good fortune in the world right now - I have a 12 year old of my own, and no kid should ever have to be afraid to go to school.

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[stuart68]

223. Wow, that is one prejudiced statement !

[stuart68]

226. Btw - what problems would be solved ?

[stuart68]

227. Btw - what problems would be solved ?

[LAGC]

234. Oh I can think of a few things...

The reign of solid Republican rule across most of the South, for starters...

Don't tell me it has nothing to do with religion.

[stuart68]

277. You must be joking. There are no Christian democrats ?

...a few more data points would help your case.

[alp227]

203. Ugh. Religion.

I was at the library this morning and found a copy of Brigitte Gabriel's They Must Be Stopped on the shelf at nonfiction section. For all the anti-Muslim rhetoric by the American conservatives they keep turning blind eyes to all the violence, hate, and abuse committed in the name of Christianity. Like this incident.

My response to these guys would be "SO?" A lot of women have "boyish" names. Take Randi Rhodes (as another poster already pointed out). And a lot of Christines go by "Chris". (I know a local LGBT rights activist, a woman named Chris.) Or what about Bobbie?

These guys might want to go to Washington and meet a man named Dana Rohrabacher. Do they know that a man named Robin Williams voiced the Genie in Aladdin and starred in many big films?

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

206. This don't make since. How many girls have been named Kelly?

Kelly is a man name.

The meaning of Kelly

Origin: Gaelic

Meaning: Warrior.

Origin: Gaelic

Meaning: Warrior.




Didn't get popular till Charlie's Angels (2000) came along.

[onpatrol98]

218. Is this the twilight zone?

I don't get it. Somehow DU understands that it's not fair to paint any group with a broad brush EXCEPT CHRISTIANS. It's bigoted, people! If you attribute the actions of a smaller group TO THE ENTIRE GROUP, you're being a grade A bigot. This isn't rocket science. Even if it's not directed at women, minorities, homosexuals, or your group at the moment...you're being a bigot, if you immediately jump to the conclusion that...if one person from a group does a thing - it immediately taints an entire group.

Who are you people? Is this the new democratic party? What a post full of bigots? The hoodlums that did this horrible thing to that poor child are responsible. The group they left could have been at home watching the Discovery Channel for all we know. They could have been from a variety of ethnic backgrounds and other backgrounds. Are you anything less than a bigot, if you assume they're all guilty because of what some in their group did?

That's ridiculous. I mean it truly lacks in basic logic. It's that knee jerk reaction that we accuse the tea party of...for all our high and mighty talk of sheets and the KKK, this post is littered with bigoted trashy talk against a group of people, Christians.

And, the best part about it. The posters that do it feel every bit as justified as people who are bigoted against other groups. Truly...incredible...and hypocritical. Bigotry is bigotry. Keep it up.

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[onpatrol98]

224. It is bigotry...this isn't a difficult question?

When you decide to malign an entire group that you happen to disagree with solely because they have a different belief system...which is what a lot of this spill over is about.

It's wrong. If a group of white people beat up a person, does it mean that mainstream white people produce a mentality of "us" versus "them". Or does it mean you just got beat up by a bunch of thuggish people who happened to be white.

Bigotry is wrong...even when it's against Christians...or southerners for that matter. And, down deep somewhere you know it.

[LAGC]

237. We need to differentiate between people and ideas here.

Most people are inherently good, but bad ideas can make otherwise good people do bad things.

Is it possible to be bigoted against an idea? I don't know of anyone here who hates Christians as people, its just the ideology that we see a problem with. Ideas aren't set in stone. They can be changed. There's a big difference between disliking a particular ideology and disliking PEOPLE themselves, especially for things they have no control over (race, gender, sexual orientation, etc.) Religion isn't one of those unchangeable traits. Its a choice. It can be changed.

[riderinthestorm]

250. Face it LAGC, you're a bigot against Thor believers too!

As well as those who believe in Santa Claus and Zeus. Just face up to it bud - any mythology is protected and anyone who dares question such beliefs, or the results of believing in such beliefs, are bigots.

[LAGC]

252. Oh no, you found me out! I guess I *am* a bigot!

I must be bigoted against believers in the tooth fairy as well!

:rofl:

[onpatrol98]

319. Targeted Bigotry...

So...the people making horrible statements on this post about Christians...are really good people? They're not really bigots. They just don't like Christianity. I see. They hate the religion. But, not the people who practice the religion.

You'd have to really stretch to actually believe this...but, have it. It is bigoted. It's unfortunate.

You can literally find bad people in every political persuasion, every religion, with no religion, sexual orientation, gender, and race. When you use those bad incidents as justification to attack a group...you're a bigot. Not you (specifically), but people who chose to do it.

But, hey! If you want to be a bigot, walk right out there with it. Don't justify it. Own it. You don't like Christians because......Sister Sally in your church made you feel bad, Deacon Smith drank, John Jennings stepped on your foot in Pre-K. And, because of that . You now don't trust Christians. They're all.

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[Fumesucker]

246. I was born and raised a Christian in the deep South..

And as soon as someone informs me that they are a Christian my first impulse is to check my wallet.

The interesting thing though is if I somehow figure out that a person is a Christian I don't have that reaction..

"The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons (silverware)" -Ralph Waldo Emerson

Do you think that Emerson was bigoted against people who spoke of their honor?

It's the same thing with people who feel they have to tell you of their private relationship with Jesus, often within moments of first meeting you, it feels like they are boasting of how moral and honorable they are, truly moral and honorable people don't feel that need to boast.

[stuart68]

274. You can't be bigoted about "people who talk about honor"

That is not a specific group. If his quote was about military people or police officers, then yes.

The other poster didn't talk about people who "talked about their honor", he talks about Christians and (gasp) Southerners. What would your response be if the article were about the terrorists who blew up the planes on 9/11 "and guess where they came from" a mosque ! I think this thread would have played out differently.

[Fumesucker]

297. Sure it's a specific group...

Just because those people who speak of their honor loudly don't have a commonly accepted name (boors perhaps?) doesn't mean they're not a recognizable group, they're easy to recognize.

The same way people who have to inform you of how "Christian" they are (a form of speaking of their honor) are a recognizable group.

As I said, I'm not prejudiced against Christians per se, just those who put it in my face constantly.

[unapatriciated]

328. +1000

I have been told many times over the years by "well meaning" religious friends and relatives that my son's illness was due to my sin of non-belief and various other sins (divorce being one of them). They also told me they prayed for me and my child daily but offered little or no help with day to day needs.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

270. No. You are not being bigoted.

If Christians believed that people of other religions or no religions were NOT going to hell, I would have a different view. Of course, there are other religions who believe that all other religions are false and their adherents are going to hell or some equivalent damnation.

And furthermore, Jesus was ALL ABOUT being a bad-ass, and he was down with God killing and murdering disobedient people by the thousands. Jesus was not a nice guy all the time, and Christians do a fine job of ignoring the inconsistencies.

The Bible is a pretty useless book as a guide to morality. It's inconsistent because it was shuffled, edited and mistranslated, and it was done to preserve patriarchal political power by Constantine. There is no morality in Christianity that is better or unique than any other morality.

I do know some reasonable Christians, but they are not of the fundie variety that we have where I live. They don't ask me if I'm saved. And they don't tell me I'm going to hell because I don't agree with them.



Just a small sample here (24 examples) from only ONE of the Gospels (Matthew):

# Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned "with unquenchable fire." 3:10, 12

# Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17

# Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30

# Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14

# Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 7:19

# "The children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 8:12

# Jesus tells a man who had just lost his father: "Let the dead bury the dead." 8:21

# Jesus sends some devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the waters below. 8:32

# Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen.19:24). 10:14-15

# Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21

# Jesus says that we should fear God who is willing and "able to destroy both soul and body in hell." 10:28

# Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." 10:34-36

# Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24

# Jesus will send his angels to gather up "all that offend" and they "shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." 13:41-42, 50

# Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7

# Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it's better to be "maimed" than to suffer "everlasting fire." 18:8-9

# In the parable of the unforgiving servant, the king threatens to enslave a man and his entire family to pay for a debt. This practice, which was common at the time, seems not to have bothered Jesus very much. The parable ends with this: "So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you." If you are cruel to others, God will be cruel to you. 18:23-35

# "And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors." 18:34

# In the parable of the marriage feast, the king sends his servants to gather everyone they can find, both bad and good, to come to the wedding feast. One guest didn't have on his wedding garment, so the king tied him up and "cast him into the outer darkness" where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 22:12-13

# Jesus had no problem with the idea of drowning everyone on earth in the flood. It'll be just like that when he returns. 24:37

# God will come when people least expect him and then he'll "cut them asunder." And "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 24:50-51

# The servant who kept and returned his master's talent was cast into the "outer darkness" where there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth." 25:30

# Jesus tells us what he has planned for those that he dislikes. They will be cast into an "everlasting fire." 25:41

# Jesus says the damned will be tormented forever. 25:46

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Certainly not a guy I would follow.

[stuart68]

278. Interesting - do you have the same opinion of Muslims ?

[TheMadMonk]

283. No we're not the ones painting you with a broad brush, you do it to yourselves.

We, for the most part (at least when reminded), single out a subset of those claiming Christianity, and you who call yourselve the True Christians, inclusively embrace the subset we singled out as problematical.

And a good part of the problem is that you "true Christians" refuse to totally abandon the Old Testament. You, each in your different groupings, pick and choose amongst the chapters and verses. Thus across denominations: you have varying degrees of tollerace for sexual and familial practices; varying attitudes towards charity and wealth accumulation; towards waging war or working in harmony.

Christ declared the OT null and void. He replaced all of God's pre-existing law with two basic rules. Don't do (unnecessary) harm to others. And be truly remorseful for any harm that you do do.

Christ said either:
"Dad's done with you. These are the ONLY rules. Now do as you damned well please" (Which might just explain the more rabid type of "Christian"); Or
"You're all grown up now, it's up to mankind to decide what is right and wrong. You and you alone will write the rules which you will abide by." ("Render unto Ceasar...")

There is no refering back to "God's Immutable Law" for True Christians. However, ironically, Mohamed rocking up to reinstate a few "Absolute Laws of God" makes more than a little sense in a context where mankind has rather comprehensively demonstrated his lack of majority.

No true Christian will ever predicate an argument with "God says..." OR ask himself what God would want of him. The only question he needs to ask is indeed of himself, and it is simply: "What harm will my action or inaction do to others?" And the only action God demands of him, is to honestly answer that question.

A true True Christian is such a rare bird, that the "broad brush" you speak of will at some time or another catch all the merely imperfect Christians (who do need to feel they have God's blessing or denial to fall back on on some matters) along with the truly hateful such as Phelps' Westbourough Church.

A true Christian is only distinguishable from a true Bhudist, or a true Wiccan, or a true Humanist, etc. by who they hold as the source of The Golden Rule, "Do as little harm as possible." Their gods do not care for great works. Doing good in compensation for the harm done by others will not earn them any special "brownie points" with their gods. Their gods simply care that they tread as lightly on others as possible.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

285. The problem is not with the OT only. The NT has lots of hateful stuff too.

Please see my post just above yours where I pointed out just a part of the hateful parts of the NT.

Example: Matthew 5:17 -- Jesus has no problem with the OT.


If Christians wanted to purge their religion of all hateful parts, they would probably only keep the Sermon on the Mount and "Judge not, lest ye be judged" and "As you did it unto the least of them, so also you did it unto Me".

"True Christian" is a fallacious term; look up No True Scotsman fallacy.

Christians are self-identifying. They are responsible for the bad they do as well as the good.

If they wanted a morality where they could do good, without any supernatural mumbo jumbo, or miracles or whatnot, they should be secular humanists. It's a lot simpler. Or Taoists.

Some of us get to the point where we say, "I should do the right thing, because it's the right thing to do. No Heaven, no Hell, no reward or punishment involved."

[mckara]

222. Sounds More Like the Crowd at Hitler Youth than Christian Fellowship

[redirish28]

225. Hate to see what they do to men named Stacey, Tracey, Gale, And oh yeah

wasn't John Wayne's real name Marion?!


These people are sick.

[mstinamotorcity]

231. Well if it was one of my children

they would have been reviewing another copy of another fight. Because my children are brothers and sisters, you mess with one you mess with them all. Straight up no chaser!!!

[truth2power]

233. This is stupid beyond belief! I work with adolescents and

does anyone know what popular names for girls are these days?

Morgan, Jordan, Taylor, McKenzie, Samantha (Sam), Alexis/Alexandra (almost always called Alex). And that's what I can think of off the top of my head.

Psst...Everyone else is named Megan. But that doesn't count. :P

[eridani]

284. And don't forget all the kids named after interstate highway exit signs

Madison (Wisconsin?, Kennedy (Expressway?) I live in the Puget Sound area and would not at all be surprised to meet kids named Renton or Auburn someday.

[truth2power]

320. I forgot Madison. i've seen quite a few of those. n/t

[SalmonChantedEvening]

236. Words are useless

I am struck dumb. All I feel is horror.

The child. Oh that poor wee baby. Damnit :cry:

[Devil_Fish]

238. What the Fuck is the surveillance camera for then???

I would sue the school.

[Posteritatis]

243. Security theatre, pretty much

Maybe also to have evidence when they need to suspend or expel a student who tries to defend themselves, too.

[Wednesdays]

292. Useful for catching terraists

For other stuff, not so much. :eyes:

[Celtic Merlin]

239. We had a "Randi" in my high school class.

She was a really nice person - seriously. And she was a cheerleader but didn't have a big head about it. I really liked her - alot. She was fun to be around. She played the part of "Moonbeam McSwine" in our senior class play. Nobody could have made that costume look hotter! :0) I only saw her once or twice after we graduated, and I'm unhappy that we've never bumped into each other since. We didn't graduate last year, however. It wasn't even this century. Randi and I and 580 of our closest friends graduated from high school in 1977. Nobody I know ever thought about harming her.

So you take this same name out of 1970's Pennsylvania and drop it into 2010 Mississippi and look what happens. WE had no problems with OUR "Randi" some 30+ years ago. One would expect that as time passed, this same level of tolerance for something as innocent as a child's name would make it to all corners of the nation. So what went wrong? Was it the Christianity or the Mississippi or some combo of both that screwed up those kids who hurt this little girl?

Background Info:
As a kid, I was never bullied because of my sheer size. I used to get in the faces of the bullies. Back then, we called it "challenging them." I was the biggest GEEK you ever saw, though! My grades were always high. I even wore a pocket protector for a couple of years through 6th and 7th grade. I never had any patience for the bullies. They got my Irish up.

Reading this kind of thing - especially 5 on 1 - REALLY pisses me off.

GRRrrrrrrrr!

I hope that Randi's parents get get an attack-shark of a lawyer to go to work for them.

Celtic Merlin
Carlinist - with my Irish up over this.

[rollin74]

242. check out the facebook page supporting Randi

http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-Support-Randi-Foster-No-One-Should-be-Bullied/131748213546098

[provis99]

244. yet my male cousin Randy used to get bullied for having a girl's name.

[MadMaddie]

245. This is exactly why the so called Right Christian followers do

not want any bullying legislation passed by states. That's right because they want to bully and hurt people. Where were the teachers and school officials when this was going on? So now accordig to these Religious cults names that don't fit into their religious world are open to attack too.

The kids, their families and the religious organization need to be sued and the kids need to be prosecuted.

[Moonbat2]

248. total fabrication

[auntAgonist]

255. please explain "total fabrication" thank you.

[Wednesdays]

293. What, your rebuttal? I'm in total agreement with you there.

:rofl:

[myrna minx]

249. K&R n.t

[BobTheSubgenius]

251. Aren't "they" the ones that are always going on about not only personal

responsibility, but parental, as well? Perhaps the kids would be taught some ACTUAL values if their parents were facing some jail time.

This is absolutely sickening.

[auntAgonist]

256. There is a news video at this link

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/middle-school-student-beaten-because-her-name-is

[Fumesucker]

298. According to that video the students who beat Randi did come out of the Christian

Fellowship meeting..

Thanks for posting, that clears up some of the confusion caused by the poor reporting in the original story in the OP.

[tresec29]

257. WTF

This is disgusting. Good Christian kids, eh? Bullshit!

[Zoeisright]

259. Sure sounds like the 'Christians' I grew up with.

Assholes all of them. They'd sit in church and then be as mean as they could the rest of the week.

[LiberalFighter]

262. When those kids get prosecuted and convicted they need to include a supplemental sentence

Change their given names to something that is screwed for human that they would be embarrassed to called.

[Adsos Letter]

273. Prosecute, and to the fullest extent of the law.

[Rhythm]

279. Prosecute the little sacks of shit...

What the fuck is wrong with these people???

If there's video that shows the attack, it should be an easy conviction for anyone who laid a hand on Randi.

[Divine Discontent]

280. how sad. crap, sue the church for not teaching Christ's love very well to these cruel kids, or find

out if the parents advocate bullying, by calling them out on their kids actions. Such stupid reasons people find to be so violent.

[sam sarrha]

281. isnt it Politically incorrect to accuse religious factions being terrorists.? who would Jesus hit..?

[Bluenorthwest]

306. This is a factual report about an event

Where does it accuse 'religious factions' rather than this group of Christian Kids? Where does it accuse them of anything other than what they did, beat the crap out of a girl, in a gang attack?
Show your work, not just your finger pointing.

[sam sarrha]

324. it was a rhetorical question about why you can get Tombstoned if other religion are commented on in

the same way.. even if one is quoting history or their religious book..

sorry it wasn't well stated.. i could be specific but it would be the last thing i post here.

[sam sarrha]

282. isnt it Politically incorrect to accuse religious factions being terrorists.? who would Jesus hit..?

[Heidi]

287. Recommended.

:kick:

[tomm2thumbs]

289. that video is going be an angel in the courtroom for that little girl - sad story

this was happening in a video-monitored cafeteria supposedly supervised by adults?

can you say lawsuit for that school?

I thought you could

[B Calm]

295. The cutest girl I ever knew was called Rocky.

[ck4829]

299. K&R

[Anakin Skywalker]

303. I Know a Boy Named Robin.....

He hangs around a much older male named "Batman" aka Bruce Wayne, the first ever comic book pedophile. :o

[madrchsod]

305. i would like to thank some of the du members who believe i am evil.

if i renounced my belief in christ`s message would my thoughts and opinions be acceptable?

i`m still trying to find where jesus said it`s ok to beat the shit out of a girl cause she has a boys name. i do know he said that children shall inherit the kingdom of heaven. but i have a feeling the thugs who beat the shit out of that girl did`t read that passage and nor have you.

excuse me now ,i have to go and wash off the paint.


bigotry comes in many forms

[_ed_]

307. It must be so hard

to be in the 90%+ majority. The world's smallest violin is playing for you.

[uppityperson]

314. bigotry is bigotry, even against a majority. I'm sad you don't know that.

[Bluenorthwest]

309. Since when did the words of Jesus define Christianity?

Millions of Christians, including the President, claim that they have to oppose equal rights for some minorities because they are Christians, although Jesus said not a word against those minorities. The same millions are comfortable with divorce, which Jesus did not approve of at all, not a bit.
If the words of Jesus mattered much, I ask you how do wind up with Rick Warren's public prayer prior to an oath before God, when Jesus forbade both public prayer (he said hypocrites do that) and the taking of any form of Oath (said such oaths 'come from evil). So how do you honor Jesus by doing that which he forbade?
It is just disengenuous to pretend that the words of Jesus are the whole of Christianity. We both know that. They add, they subtract, and they do so with intention of advancing their own wordly agendas.
I'd say that Jesus would relate to the child who was attacked, not to the attackers.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

316. No, Jesus thinks it's fine to kill your kids when they disobey; don't love them either.

You wanna pick and choose, fine. Here's some of Jesus' family values for ya:


Matthew 15:7
Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. Matt. 15:4-7

Mark 7:9-10
Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) Mark 7:9-10


John 3:16
As an example to parents everywhere and to save the world (from himself), God had his own son tortured and killed. John 3:16

Matthew 10:37
Jesus warns us not to love our parents or children too much. We have to make sure that we always love him (who we don't even know existed) more than our family. Matt. 10:37


Matthew 24:19
"Woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days." Why? Does God especially hate pregnant and nursing women? Matt. 24:19

Luke 12:52-53
Jesus prophesies that families will be divided because of him and his teachings. Sadly, this is one prophecy that has been fulfilled. 12:52-53

Luke 14:26
Jesus says that his disciples must hate their families (mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, husbands, wives, children) and themselves. 14:26

Luke 14:33
# If you want to be a disciple of Jesus, you must abandon everything, including your family. 14:33


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A completely insane book.

[RedCloud]

308. Juvenile correction center for them until the Rapture!

[Zax2me]

315. Or, you can go to church, get beaten afterwards...

By those who didn't go.
Hours before he was stomped to death, Bobby Tillman attended a play at a church. Its theme? Teen-age bullying.
http://www.ajc.com/news/bobby-tillmans-sudden-death-740109.html?cxtype=ynews_rss

Maybe if these teens had attended this play at church they would not have beaten to death the boy that did attend.

In any case, I'm certain that the Fellowship of Christian Students are not leading the charge of bullying across this nation.
My linked story against yours, I guess, you just have to be careful of the broad brush and assumptions in any situation - you might find yourself looking upon one group through warped glasses.

[aikoaiko]

318. A case in Portsmoth NH in the mid 1990s changed me forever

A bunch of middle school kids formed a circle and literally kicked a kid unconscious for breaking a gender role.

His offense -- wearing black nail polish on his finger nails.

All the kids came from a high performing public school.

[queerart]

321. Christian Terrorists In Training........

... and don't even think their parents weren't proud.....


They were not born hating anyone.... they were methodically taught......

[Zax2me]

325. To beat someone with a funny name?

Don't follow you....

[Imagevision]

322. So you smart ass Americans are going to tolerate this sh*t until they keep getting dead?!!

A big fu*kin duh to all of you. The government creates these lame "czars" to just say No and we keep losing kids weekly and no-one is suggesting that...perhaps the school principals should be held accountable/responsible. Hire a Cop, an intelligent cop, preferably an ex Marine out of the war zone to talk to these bullies, and when kids need to be suspended, fu*king suspend them haven't they proved with their ass-wipe friends they are capable of causing another person to take his/her own life then continue putting up with harrassment.

How many more 14 year olds must die, this is fu*king lame people. Obama, where is your head on a solution to this smiley?!