Has DU gone crazy? Obama is a coward and Stewart is the enemy? What's next, Nancy Pelosi is a

[OregonBlue]

traitor? What's happening to us?

It makes me sad but I don't think I'll be spending much time here anymore. I remember when this was Democratic Underground, now I'm not sure what it is but it's sad to see us attacking each other. I think Obama is a very nice man with a very nice family who is trying not to be caught up in hate. I think we heard John Stewart say exactly the same thing. For this they are derided and scorned.

May I suggest a new name, "Anarchist Underground".

[dionysus]

1. yeah, i've been here for 9 years and what has been happening here lately disturbs me.

:(

[JackRiddler]

7. Complaints just like the OP's have been almost constant during those 9 years.

[dionysus]

16. except the republicans were in power. seems like we turn on our own for the sake of hyperbolic anger

[tammywammy]

19. +1

"seems like we turn on our own for the sake of hyperbolic anger"

Exactly

[eleny]

2. "For this they are derided and scorned. "

Nope, that's not why they're derided or scorned at all. Making things up doesn't make you look credible.

[NashVegas]

3. I Don't Know Who These People Are

although I will say that most POTUSes for a few decades now, they know who they take their order from and it ain't us.

[madmax]

4. Just last week we were all united in

our fight for KO against MSNBC. It comes in waves. We're at out best when we join together to fight a common foe. Left to our own devices we're at each others throat over everything and anything.

Yes, we can disagree but, sometimes these threads turn into a slug fest.

I've slummed to Freeperville where a bunch of bobble head just parrot each other. I wouldn't want or expect DU to be that way but, sometimes...

[Warpy]

5. Face it, some people have more passion than brains

and can't except that people who are on their side can be complex and flawed.

Just consider the source, sigh, and hit "hide thread."

[malaise]

6. Seriously I don't recognize DU these days

I swear we've being swamped by ReTHUGS and Teapublicans.

[elehhhhna]

18. + 1 zillion

[political_Dem]

38. +1000000

[deacon]

41. +1

[Scurrilous]

47. Yep.

:thumbsup:

[hfojvt]

52. you don't remember 2007?

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/51


There has always been a large and loud contingent here ready and willing to bash the Democratic Party for not fighting hard enough for liberal causes.

[Pisces]

57. Agree 100%

[Skidmore]

59. Thank you. I agree.

[Canuckistanian]

76. +1

The apologists seem to rule around here.

[Desertrose]

80. No swearing necessary....

pretty clear that's what's been going on here.

[alittlelark]

81. +1

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. the coalition is gone

[LostInAnomie]

9. Hell, Anarchists are a lot more consistent that DU anymore.

Anymore the train of thought pretty much breaks down to "Don't tell me anything I don't want to hear, and don't make me think too hard or do any introspection!!!!"

It's pretty fucking sad.

[OregonBlue]

11. That made me laugh. Thanks.

[11 Bravo]

22. And we have a winner!

You are right on point.

[blondeatlast]

27. Spot-on. It's disgusting and no fun anymore. nt

[joshcryer]

35. Pretty much, too bad anarchists are a dying breed.

[Radical Activist]

82. I would much prefer anarchists

to people who only post to attack Obama. I thought the OP was unfair to anarchists.

[EV_Ares]

10. You Are Correct

Know what you are talking about OregonBlue, I remember you. I have now just dropped in a few times lately to see what was going on here. Left some time ago because of what you are talking about. I don't agree with President Obama on some things & don't understand some of the things he has done, but if anyone would take a look at his accomplishments in his first two years, it is unbelievable whether you like some of them or not. Jon Stewart is great, simple as that and he is going to only be stronger as time goes on. Regardless, the problem we have is the republicans are pretty much made up of whites, all of them pretty much agree on one agenda, they now have the tea baggers assisting them to their right.

We on the other hand are made up of a lot of various groups, environmental, gays, womens' rights, animal rights, etc., minorities so we have a hard time everyone getting on the same page.

Whatever, as you have said, things have changed here.

[OregonBlue]

15. You are so right. It's sad when we don't want to post positive messages about our president for fear

of being attacked. I guess I'll do what you have done. Take a break. Just check in every now and then. I'm tired of reading hateful messages about people who I admire. The place really has become too toxic.

[Tx4obama]

75. Here's a link below to a 'positive' thread :)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9553200

I am hoping folks at DU will get fed up of all the negativity and begin to start posting more positive threads.
At least I can hope and dream ;)

[OregonBlue]

79. Agreed. As you can see from this thread, many are already sick of it.

[Uzybone]

12. the only useful people are non entities, bloggers, cable talking heads

and other assorted cowards who have never put anything on the line.

Oh and KO. Unlike the others he is not a coward.

[David__77]

13. How sectarian of you.

Some people were upset in 2004 when Joe Lieberman was criticized. Others didn't like debate during the last presidential primaries. There are progressives here as well as other Democrats - what's wrong with discussion?

[EV_Ares]

24. Discussion is good but it is the attacks people are talking about.

[David__77]

26. When is it an "attack," and when discussion?

Is it an attack to say that Obama is committing grievous errors in creating this austerity commission? I don't think so.

[EV_Ares]

29. No that is not an attack, that is an opinion.

[CTLawGuy]

44. "he made an error in appointing the commission" = discussion

"he is a spineless corporate tool who is trying to cut our social security" = attack

see the difference?

+1 for the OP

[tabasco]

14. The place has become a sewer.

But the poll showed what everybody wanted, including the paid astroturfers, so nothing will change.

I read from time to time but stopped donating a year ago.

[jpgray]

17. Pelosi the traitor was all the rage in '06, as I remember.

[dionysus]

21. oh yes, she was the biggest "dino" at the time

[blondeatlast]

28. IIRC, Al Franken was considered a bit of a tool then as well. nt

[madokie]

20. Can you say

jumped the shark. I'm beginning to wonder wtf also

[madrchsod]

23. we are " the Grand Hotel....

always the same...

people come,people go...

nothing ever happens"

[Scurrilous]

25. Yes, DU has gone crazy. n/t

[pgodbold]

30. Nah... Pelosi is doin' OK.

[Ramulux]

31. I have an idea

Why dont you take five seconds to actually read one of these threads where we criticize Obama and Stewart. They have both made bad mistakes in recent weeks and many of us on this site have simply acknowledged that. I hate to break it to you, but this site will never be for democratic apologists only, liberals aren't afraid of criticizing people who are wrong even if they are supposedly on our side.

[Lord Magus]

32. I can't speak for anybody else, but I'm deriding and scorning Stewart because...

...the downplayed Bush's war crimes as a mere technicality, and because he's lumping Fox Spews and MSNBC together as two sides of the same coin.

[kentuck]

33. Anarchist Underground?

I like it!

We can have a secret double-secret password to join that elite discussion group. :-)

[joshcryer]

34. If only 10% of DU were actual anarchists.

I'd be tickled beyond belief.

[Gold Metal Flake]

36. Le Tigre - Get Off the Internet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUmQf6rIB2w

It feels so 80's
Or early 90's
To be political
Where are my friends?

(Get off the Internet!)
I'll meet you in the street
(Get off the Internet!)
Destroy the right wing
(Get off the Internet!)
I'll meet you in the street
(Get off the Internet!)
Destroy the right wing

This is repetitive
But nothing has changed
And I'm crazy
Where are my friends

(Get off the Internet!)
I'll meet you in the street
(Get off the Internet!)
Destroy the right wing
(Get off the Internet!)
I'll meet you in the street
(Get off the Internet!)
Destroy the right wing

[struggle4progress]

54. Gotta say +

[deacon]

37. It's got serious problems. n/t

[Chan790]

39. No, Nancy is true fucking blue. A real Democrat.

Obama's pretty well a triangulating capitulating coward though. QED. (Reality has an anti-spin, public-opinion-negating bias.)

Stewart's become what he's always mocked: a spout of false equivalencies positing that there are two sides and only relative truths...start out satirizing the hypocrisy of the media and end up becoming exactly what you satirized. What does it profit a man to gain the world and lose his soul?

[flamingdem]

40. REC for Sanity nt

[Raine]

42. Nope, Nancy is my hero

she is one Democrat with a spine of steel. :thumbsup:

[Major Hogwash]

43. We have a big bus now.

We traded in our tent for it.

Jon Stewart is not a Democrat, just so you'll know for future reference.
I think he considers himself a libertarian, with a small "l".

[End Of The Road]

45. We're outraged about a guy on the COMEDY Channel.

Now THAT'S FUNNY!:rofl:

[grantcart]

46. We have now entered DEFCON FUBAR

[meow mix]

48. the spinal deficiencies are getting a bit annoying.

seriously

[uppityperson]

49. Don't forget it can't be bigotry if it's against a majority and it isn't sexism if a "common" slur

It is sad seeing what's going on and frustrating to see the attacks and crap. Easier to be nasty than not I guess, esp when frustrated.

[hfojvt]

50. it might have something to do with that new high speed rail here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MLp7YNTznE

millions of people, living as foes

maybe

it's not too late


to learn how to love

and forget how to hate

[JNelson6563]

51. Wrong name, try Sock-drawer Underground.

I've never seen so many socks in my life. And they're hardly anarchists. More like keyboard commandos. Anarchy requires action.

Julie

[MrsCorleone]

60. Ha!

Perfect new name.

:hi:

[Number23]

62. As usual, Julie. Right on the money.

The new DU logo: And really nasty, OLD, funky, worn out socks too.

[xor]

63. Hmmm sockdrawerunderground.com If that's not taken, I'm registering it...

[Scurrilous]

70. LOL

:thumbsup:

[inna]

53. nonsense and complete misreading of the situation

Obama and Stewart "are derided and scorned" because "Obama is a very nice man with a very nice family"???

LOL, what complete and utter bullshit. ""Anarchist Underground"?? How do you even come up with this shit?


Can't help but unrec for absurdity.

[OregonBlue]

55. Thanks for the laugh. I needed that.

[MrsCorleone]

61. Ditto. Thanks for the laugh. nt

[Number23]

56. Kick and a rec. "Yucky" is the only word to describe DU now in a way that won't get me banned

[Scurrilous]

84. ...

:thumbsup:

[Pisces]

58. It is truly the twilight zone.

[SidDithers]

64. K&R...nt

Sid

[Initech]

65. Not to mention the PC crowd is out in full force.

I seriously thought Michael Moore owned Real Time last night - yet people are taking one comment he made and are completely blowing it out of proportion. :eyes:

[ampad]

66. Good lord

Is this what is happening? I see a post every couple of days stating that someone is leaving or taking a break. How long has this been going on? I left DU for a while but came back during the mid term elections. I rarely bother to come into GD anymore. It is the same shit, different title. This part of Du has become a freaking echo chamber and it is not good for the site at all.

[MrsCorleone]

67. Personally, I like jnelson6563's suggested new name:

sockdrawerunderground.com

:rofl:

[MrsCorleone]

68. Personally, I like jnelson6563's suggested new name:

sockdrawerunderground.com

:rofl:

[Prometheus Bound]

69. Can someone explain how drivel like this gets 9 votes?

John Stewart is derided and scorned because he says Obama is a nice man with a nice family!!!

Has DU gone crazy?

[TheKentuckian]

71. Yeah, the anarchists are the ones calling for more and stronger government programs and regulation

and "real" Democrats believe the era of big government is over and tax cuts fuel the economy.

Mhmmmmm.....that sounds right, yup.

[flamingdem]

72. Rec for insanity this time lol nt

[steelmania75]

73. Jon Stewart's a liberal, and now everyone on this site is saying otherwise...

The Rally to Restore Sanity was obviously a response to Glenn Beck's rally. Jon Stewart's saying that we need to stop the corruption, not because of Obama's Administration, but because the GOP bullshit machine has gotten incredibly out of hand during Obama's Presidency.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

74. K&R great point N/T

[Jester Messiah]

77. Yeah, this place is swarmed with haters and drama-addicts.

I used to donate. Not anymore.

[Name removed]

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[JoseGaspar]

83. The OP is standing on his head...

... and wondering how the furniture ended up on the ceiling.

Politics is not a sport, or a consumer preference. For most people, it holds very serious implications. For some, it is deadly serious.

The basis of politics is a set of fundamental differences amongst the mass of people along several, well understood, fissures. In turn, this forms the foundation of national politics, political parties, movements and the rest. Finally, there is a superstructure of politicians, iconic figures, and the superficial chaff of political competition.

If there is an erosion of the stature of the OP's various political icons (let alone all of them), and if the same thing is occurring in the Republican Party, then that is not an indication that everyone but the OP is "crazy", but that the political superstructure is no longer aligned with its basis.

The OP knows this. Otherwise, there would be no silly calls to political loyalty based on niceness or "hate". Instead the OP would describe how his icons or loyalties still best represent the crazy people's interests.

The "other side is worse" meme will only work so long... particularly when the "other side" is going through exactly the same process and when the whole is super-heated by the worst crisis in several generations.

The OP might consider sitting down in that easy chair on the ceiling and seriously thinking about whether any of this is really about "niceness", "hate", or "derision".

[Fruittree]

85. I agree...I don't get the constant criticism of Pres. Obama.