Abortion Tax?

[The Straight Story]

Abortion Tax Proponent. Elected.

House Speaker John Boehner & Co. has promised to push the new "Stupak on Steroids" bill, which would ban coverage of abortion in the new health care system and impose a tax on Americans with private insurance plans that include abortion coverage. (That's 87% of private plans.) Boehner is one of more than 180 current House members who are co-sponsors of this legislation.

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If you oppose this intrusion of the govt into your personal decisions be prepared to be called a libertarian. Any time someone opposes the govt controlling, taxing, punishing individuals for their choices and you think it is wrong you are opposed to all govt regulation and are a libertarian. At least that is what I hear....

[Crazy Dave]

1. Sometimes being a libertarian is more liberal than being a democrat

They stand for:

A women's right to choose

Gay marriage

Legalization of drugs

Anti war with the exception of an invasion of the US or one of it's allies

No corporate welfare

The only two main things that have kept me from ever jumping on board with them is that they are against all government social programs and want no oversight of businesses or corporations whether they are in banking or manufacturing. They say that corporations will "police themselves" and manufacturers won't pollute the environment because they have to live in it too.

[Blue_Tires]

5. the only libertarians i've ever known here (and there are a LOT) believe

1. flat tax/abolish the IRS and all social programs, and privatize everything else
2. zero restriction on the size, number and type of weapons they can buy, and where/when they can hunt or fish
3. completely unregulated business (including those pesky employee rights)
4. deporting all the muslims, mexicans and central americans
5. English only language/Christianity only religion
6. repeal healthcare reform
7. leave the UN
8. being boorishly racist/sexist without some PC killjoy calling them out
9. the deficit (now that a Dem is in the white house, of course)
10. more money for oil exploration, but none to research clean energy...

[Blue_Tires]

6. dbl post

[Warren DeMontague]

2. 1) Some people here consider "libertarian" (note the small "l") a dirty word. I don't.

2) You're going to really need to stretch to connect this one to cigarettes. Please, man, don't pull anything!

[The Straight Story]

3. Stretch

Personal choice and freedom. I get real tired of people saying it is about 'cigs'.

Principle, period. Pot. Abortion. Congregating with other adults at a 'bar'.

It is real simple. Either you stand on a principle or you do not.

When you give ground on one you give ground on other areas.

Fuck all them folks who tell me I am all about 'smoking in bars' - no, I am about a principle of letting adults making choices that affect them.

Hell, I don't go to bars (have went to a few over my 45 years, can name them all and have fingers left over). I smoke at home. I drink at home. Don't personally care one way or the other - but I do care when others try to tell people what they can do and where.

Standing up for such things has gotten me a bad rep. Standing on principle is, for some reason, frowned upon by some people. Maybe because, like their friends on the right, they want to control others and their behavior.

[Warren DeMontague]

4. Oh, come on. Just admit it.

You know exactly what this is about. For some odd reason, in all these threads, the grand principles of personal self-determination begin and end at being forced to go outside to light a cigarette.

You can be for personal choice and freedom as a principle and still understand why smoking is banned in certain indoor, public locations.

As for the abortion "tax", as far as I can tell it's a tax on some health plans, and although I haven't read the proposal, it sounds constitutionally dubious.