your medication is watching you...

[undergroundpanther]

(Reuters) - Novartis AG plans to seek regulatory approval within 18 months for a pioneering tablet containing an embedded microchip, bringing the concept of "smart-pill" technology a step closer.

The initial program will use one of the Swiss firm's established drugs taken by transplant patients to avoid organ rejection. But Trevor Mundel, global head of development, believes the concept can be applied to many other pills.


The biotech start-up's ingestible chips are activated by stomach acid and send information to a small patch worn on the patient's skin, which can transmit data to a smartphone or send it over the Internet to a doctor.


A technology that ensures a patient takes his or her medicine and checks that it is working properly should deliver better outcomes and justify a higher price tag.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6A754720101108


Delgado,I despise you ,and your"works"....


http://www.biotele.com/Delgado.htm

http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/26329/?p1=A1&a=f

Delgado's psycho-civilized society is happening.really.


http://www.naturodoc.com/library/public_health/microchip_implants.htm
http://www.physorg.com/news180620740.html
http://mindhacks.com/2009/02/26/brain-implants-and-cognitive-side-effect-trading/

[midnight]

1. What nonsense.

[undergroundpanther]

3. It's not "nonsense" .You trying to derail the thread?

I want to keep my cognitive freedom ,for I value my free mind,like my inner locus of control and maintaining my own integrity..And all the new surveillance shit annoys me.

[tinrobot]

6. Your inner locus of control is not being threatened.

Please step back from the internet.

Nobody is forcing you to take the pill, wear the patch that talks to the pill, or install the app on your cellphone that talks to he patch that talks to the pill.

[undergroundpanther]

9. No one is threatening me personally .I am noting a TREND.

A trend that could rob a person of all those things I listed in my OP.Do not ignore the fact Others have been forced against their will to be chipped, shocked or drugged..

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=4700

http://www.verimedinfo.com/

I know this Dr.Shamoo..He is a dedicated person.He is very kind.I know him because he fought blue cross in a class action suit,alot of people were involved in that including my mom and I.I teased him about his name.He teased me about my mowhawked hair.

(1996)
Professor Adil E. Shamoo of the University of Maryland and the organization Citizens for Responsible Care and Research sends a written testimony on the unethical use of veterans in medical research to the U.S. Senate's Committee on Governmental Affairs, stating: "This type of research is on-going nationwide in medical centers and VA hospitals supported by tens of millions of dollars of taxpayers money. These experiments are high risk and are abusive, causing not only physical and psychic harm to the most vulnerable groups but also degrading our society’s system of basic human values. Probably tens of thousands of patients are being subjected to such experiments" ("Testimony of Adil E. Shamoo, Ph.D.").http://unwittingvictim.com/TimeLine2.html

[bobbolink]

19. Interesting this inclination to make everything a personal issue, rather than a societal issue.

I advise to you to take your own advice and step back and look at the forest.

[Quantess]

26. self delete

[bobbolink]

2. Thank you, panth.... for reminding us what is coming to all of us...

This is not surprising but it is certainly despicable!

Bookmarking for future reference!

[undergroundpanther]

7. It bothers me

how so many people keep thier questions and knowlege seeking only in 'approved' topics or things that do not question this toxic culture's status quo. What is so bad about seeing a dangeruos trend and SAYING something about it.

This is an experince that creeped me out..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=276x7530
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1259720/Gordon-Brown-plans-super-fast-broadband-home.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30748260/ns/health-health_care

[pipi_k]

4. Just because you're paranoid...

that doesn't mean your laxative isn't out to get you...


:+

[marmar]

5. Prescient Orwell

[Blue_Tires]

8. kick...

this needs a lot more attention...

you may try posting it in another forum, because stuff in GD just falls way too fast

[undergroundpanther]

10. what forum do you suggest?

[Blue_Tires]

11. maybe editorials and other

i'd suggest one of the dungeon forums, but i'm not sure how active some of them are

[NNN0LHI]

18. Its already been posted in the Science Forum. How ya been doing Blue?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=228x72848

[AdHocSolver]

12. The chips could easily track people to spy on them. More "Big Brother". nt

[AdHocSolver]

13. There is a more sinister reason for this monitoring device.

One reason people don't take prescribed medicine is if they can't afford the cost. Knowing that a patient wasn't taking the medicine would give their insurance company an excuse to stop paying for treatment.

This kind of nonsense is another reason for having affordable single payer health insurance.

In addition, I would hesitate to trust a doctor who relied on a computer chip to monitor treatment.

[woo me with science]

14. I agree.

This is creepy.

[bobbolink]

21. Excellent point... ammunition for insurance companies... as if they need more.

Thanks for mentioning that! :thumbsup:

[jmowreader]

15. This could prove to be a lifesaver in hospital settings

Let's play around with this a little bit. Assume we could create a chip that dissolves in stomach acid--perhaps they could print it on the surface of the pill itself. Once the patient eats the thing, his stomach acid disintegrates the chip--presto, no more privacy concerns.

Now! We give each medication-giver a little RFID reader that talks back to the hospital's mainframe. Med-giver waves RFID wand over the top of the pill cup. It talks to mainframe: "Patient BOEHNER, JOHN is receiving one Thorazine tablet, one Chantix tablet and one Rohypnol tablet." The mainframe looks up everyone's favorite oompa-loompa...yes, he is supposed to receive those three drugs, and turns on a green light on the wand. If, OTOH, there's a mifepristone and a misoprostol tablet in the cup, the light turns red--it's very unlikely he needs a chemical abortion, and that's what those two drugs do.

It would cut down medication errors in retail pharmacies, but I don't know...there's definitely the potential for abuse there.

[bobbolink]

22. "there's definitely the potential for abuse there."

Please see post 13 for one example.

[jmowreader]

27. Actually, I think he was way off

Let's throw out another scenario: the insurance companies pay for new desks for care facilities' reception areas--desks with new computers and helpful software that connects to the Internet. When you go to the doctor you have to provide some sort of proof of insurance, right?

What the doctor doesn't know, is the new desk contains an RFID reader which reads the tags from all the drugs the patient is taking, and compares it to the list of conditions the patient admitted to when he or she applied for insurance in the first place. If the patient didn't admit to high BP, a heart condition and a kidney problem, and tags for the drugs that treat those things show up in the patient's scan, they'll declare it 'insurance fraud' and drop the patient.

Yes, the insurance company has a vested interest in making sure the patient takes the drugs they're prescribed--some of those things are hundreds of dollars a month. They've got even more of a vested interest in reducing their pools of high-cost patients, and RFID will help them to achieve that.

But in a setting where medication errors abound, this could prove a lifesaver. So the question is, how do we get the drug companies to tag the drugs going to hospitals, and NOT tag the ones going to retail pharmacies?

[iris27]

16. They already do this in more low-tech ways with certain drugs.

Isotretinoin, for example, which I took after several other attempts at treating cystic acne had failed. It is a known teratogen, so they wanted assurances from all women taking it that they would use two forms of birth control. Fine, ok. Well, at some point, just having a doctor make sure their patients were aware wasn't good enough for the government, so they created the "I-Pledge" system - an online database where, in order to get a prescription, your doctor has to register you with the database, then you have to register and answer a bunch of intrusive questions about your sex life, then the pharmacist must check the site before giving you your prescription. You can only receive a 30-day prescription, and must fill it within 7 days of it being written. Yeah...it was at that point I decided I'd just live with the scarring.

Transplant patients, however, can't exactly make the same choice. That they are even considering this is beyond outrageous.

[ThomCat]

17. Doctors tend to prescribe the newest meds, because that is what

they are told to prescribe. Pharma runs the funds most those classes doctors have to take periodically to remain current and certified. So those classes push the newest, most expensive meds, and that's what doctors learn to prescribe.

If this becomes the new trend, and it's profitable, expect it to become big and mandatory. Especially for the major classes of drugs that large groups of patients are REQUIRED to take daily. Those of us who have no choice but to take our meds or die will be the first people get forced into this. But once this is well established, the rest of you are next.

I've already heard of this. I have already been warned.

The news of this is spreading quickly through communities of people with disabilities. We are taking this very, very seriously. You should too.

Have you been paying attention to the Pharma industry in the past few decades? Do you need any more proof that they will do whatever it takes to force us to be consumers, force us to be compliant, and force a profit out of all of us on their terms? We don't have the choice to dictate terms to them. We don't have that authority. They control the rules making process, and they control the rules makers. They also control the supply of meds we depend upon to survive. So they will dictate and we will comply. If they dictate the use of this new technology, this Will Happen.

Are you looking forward to having to wear a patch for every single prescription you get so that they can record your drug taking schedule in a database?

I take 9 meds... Can you imagine having to wear 9 different patches at all times? I wear 1 patch now, a pain patch.

Multiple patches would Seriously interfere with your ability to move freely, your comfort, your ability to sleep, your ability to wear soft clothing without catching and sticking, and your ability to enjoy your use of your body because of the physical distraction from those patches and the fear of accidentally moving the wrong way and pulling one off. If they accidentally come off once, of course, the adhesive is ruined and they have to be taped back on with cumbersome surgical tape, making them even worse.

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20. Thank you for enlarging on this! It seems there is so much resistance to looking at each new

threat by corporations.

There always has to be huge suffering before the general population takes notice.

Your information is sooo important, Thom, and we are so very fortunate to have you here!

:hug:

edited to say... speaking of hugs, a body full of patches would be harder to hug. :(

[InvisibleTouch]

25. "they will do whatever it takes to force us to be consumers"

Another angle is that the Big Pharma companies are also owned by (or own) the huge processed food industry, which is full of toxic preservatives, taste enhancers, dyes, etc. Substances which are either known very well to cause illness, or have just been dumped into the "foods" without any extensive study. The whole idea is to keep people addicted to processed foods (taste enhancers and artificial sweeteners do this very well), which in turn cause illness, requiring the use of pharmaceuticals. The corporations, all interlinked, profit from every direction. Even pet food brands are intermixed in this vicious circle, selling foods that cause illness or suboptimal health, and then hoping to sell medicines to treat the conditions that result.

[Posteritatis]

23. Panic panic panic panic panic panic panic panic (nt)

[bobbolink]

24. Panth, when my current project is finished, I want to work on a presenation on disability.

You have so much GREAT information.. would you please help with gathering the info that should be included?

I want it to be as good and as compelling as possible, and with your input, it will be the best!

:hi:

[Blue_Tires]

28. monday kick

[Mimosa]

29. Many discoveries once deemed incredible became part of our everyday lives.

Of course babies will be chipped like pets. The benefits will be sold as safety, security, efficiency.

Scientists have been working on medical nanobot applications for decades.