TSA ejects Oceanside (CA) man from airport for refusing security check

[Joanie Baloney]

(edited for copyright purposes-proud patriot Moderator Democratic Underground)
TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security chec

SAN DIEGO — John Tyner won't be pheasant hunting in South Dakota with his father-in-law any time soon.

Tyner was simultaneously thrown out of San Diego International Airport on Saturday morning for refusing to submit to a security check and threatened with a civil suit and $10,000 fine if he left.

And he got the whole thing on his cell phone. Well, the audio at least.

The 31-year-old Oceanside software programmer was supposed to leave from Lindbergh Field on Saturday morning and until a TSA agent directed him toward one of the recently installed full-body scanners, Tyner seemed to be on his way.

Tyner balked.

-snip-

During the next half-hour, his cell phone recorded Tyner refusing to submit to a full body scan, opting for the traditional metal scanner and a basic "pat down" -- and then refusing to submit to a "groin check" by a TSA security guard.

He even told the guard, "You touch my junk and I'm going to have you arrested."(snip)

more at the link:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/nov/14/tsa-ejects-oceanside-man-airport-refusing-security/

Sounds like he did everything right given his distrust of the scanner and the TSA procedures. What do you think??

-JB

[stray cat]

1. Security isn't actually security if you can say thanks but no thanks it's not for me

[n2doc]

8. This isn't security. It is domestic terrorism performed by the TSA

There is nothing, absolutely nothing, that will make your filght absolutely safe. But they sure can terrorize people into thinking that a bomber is on every flight.

[Lugnut]

26. Bingo!

People who are scared can be controlled.

[ThomCat]

19. Security isn't security if it is designed to humiliate, not secure.

We do not hire professionals. We hire untrained, low skilled people.

We do not train them or pain for skills. TSA pays close to minimum wage.

We do not scan all bags and cargo, but we do have high theft rates from baggage. That's because of poorly trained, poorly supervised TSA agents and no video surveillance in many check areas.

We let them "randomly choose" who they put through security checks with those machines, so we get reports of them either racially profiling, or choosing the attractive people that they want to see naked.

They tell us that only men search men, and women search women, but we keep getting reports of this not being true. I know personally that I've been patted down once by a woman so I know for a fact that someone it happens. They also told us that the imaging machine couldn't keep images, until they admitted that it's in the specs that it MUST be able to store images. Oops.

We have security professionals test security at these airports posing as terrorists, and we have had reports of them Succeeding in evading and getting past security, with contraband, Every Single Time. How is that security?

Meanwhile the watch list is growing, and children are getting harassed. Is any 6 year old really likely to be a professional terrorist? Any toddler? Seriously?

The fact that no other country has "security" that looks like ours, and humiliates their travelers as much and as deliberately as ours, says a hell of a lot about how little our TSA regulations really have to do with Security.

[alstephenson]

30. +1

and well said.

[NV Whino]

2. I'm not sure, but

but I believe you can refuse the scanners. I think you do have to submit to a pat down. If he was traveling with his hunting rifles or shotguns, this could be a bigger problem than he thinks.

But, yes, I think he did everything right.

[KeepItReal]

6. I refused the scanner and asked for the normal metal detector successfully

TSA let me walk through the metal detector without a pat down.

[VermeerLives]

33. Yes, it's my understanding you can refuse the scanners

But do you really want someone touching you all over? How about children? A stranger touching a child's private parts would not be acceptable in any other scenario and in fact we teach our children that it is improper for someone to do that.

I like this guy's attitude. He was able to give it right back to these folks.

[Sirveri]

38. traveling with a handgun isn't much of an issue.

All you do is declare it, they take it off to a special room and do an individual scan and then mark the package. It takes less than five minutes and you're on your way.

[RandomThoughts]

3. Fear is a terrible thing.

As is lack of perspective.

[perimedik]

4. touchy feely?

I understand the need for security but this is out of control. The TSA will not be allowed to touch "my junk" either.
Does anyone know the amount of radiation from the xray? Has that data been published at all?
I would call law enforcement as well if they touched my genitals and with the advent of video cameras on just about every cell phone record the protest.

Are you allowed a recording device in the airport? I don't fly enough to know. I know you probably can not durring take off and landing.
In the terminal?

[tblue37]

20. No, they won't let you film or record. I am quite sure that

he got away with it only because they didn't realize his phone was recording them.

[WhiteTara]

5. I would do the same thing, except I don't have

a cell phone to record the outrage. I wonder what would happen if we boycotted all airlines for one day and left the airports and planes empty.

[Ian David]

7. I'm telling you, the way to end this is to pretend to ENJOY the pat-down too much.

Then, the TSA employees themselves will start refusing to "touch your junk."

Instead of rebelling against them, let's make THEM rebel.

Thrust your junk into their hands while you grind and moan, "Oh, yes! YES!"

[Joanie Baloney]

9. Funny!

But, that will open a whole different can of worms for you, I fear! :)


LOL

[Ian David]

12. What are they gonna nail you for? You didn't REFUSE.

I don't recall seeing anywhere that it makes you suspect if you ENJOY the security measures.

[Harry Monroe]

44. Wanna really fuck with them? Jack it in the public restroom before going through security

And then go through the line with a boner!! Most will then avoid touching your junk!! What is the worst that can happen? You'll get a free hand job out of it!

[Ian David]

46. Maybe make yourself sticky, too. n/t

[MindPilot]

10. And request that it be done by the cute agent of your choice.

Frisk me there again...I'm not wearing any underwear. :evilgrin:

[Coyote_Bandit]

11. I simply can't imagine

many good reasons to fly the American skies. Not commercially. Not in the current environment. I'd be happy to forego the TSA security check and accept the risk that one of my fellow passengers just might be a terrorist. I suspect I'm more likely to be hit on the highway by a drunk driver. But there sure as hell isn't anybody clamoring to have alcohol detectors installed in cars. TSA security insanity will continue as long as Americans remain afraid.

[Ian David]

13. Soon, we'll have to fly shackled like in Con Air. n/t

[Posteritatis]

27. Sedated and shoved in cargo; more space-efficient that way. (nt)

[47of74]

16. Yeah, I'd rather not fly either

My own vehicle is much more comfortable, even if it's a lot slower.

[KamaAina]

31. One very good reason: Traveling to Hawai'i

it is a state, you know, despite what you may have heard on Fox. :P And the bridge has been out for quite some time now. :-) Remember, the Constitution is technically still in effect, and it does grant us peons "the right to travel between the several States." Last time I mentioned this, a TSA apologist told me to go on a cruise ship! No, thanks. I'll wait 'til I get back home to eat Spam, thank you very much. :P

[WolverineDG]

42. I am seriously considering taking the bus home from Seattle

sure it's almost 3 days on the road, but I won't have to pay through the nose to check a bag, I won't have to show up 3 hours ahead of time, I won't have to go through "security." And the ticket is cheaper than a plane ticket. Almost makes it worth it.

dg

[ProgressiveProfessor]

14. Opt out every time you fly

National opt out day is coming up soon. If you are traveling, do it.

[tblue37]

21. Nov. 24, I believe. nt

[jberryhill]

35. Yeah, let's organize as much distraction for the TSA on the heaviest travel day

That's a GREAT idea!

Slow down EVERY security line and focus all their attention on people seeking to make a point.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

47. Is there a better day to monkey wrench?

Isn't that why we do sit in and other forms of protest? This one is purely legal and makes the clear point.

[GodlessBiker]

15. Toucha toucha toucha touch me, I wanna feel dirty.

It would be nice if I got a kiss when my junk was groped.

[csziggy]

37. Everybody ought to sing that while being groped by TSA

Somehow I don't think they would be amused, but the other passengers might crack up.

[GodlessBiker]

39. I agree. I've never had that kind of security check, but just wait.

[csziggy]

48. Well, I haven't flown since 1990, but I was thinking of going to England

Since my sister married a Britisher and spends the summers over there. I haven't flown since even twenty years ago I felt too crammed in on a very full flight. I can't imagine going now with smaller spacing for seats - I'd only fly if I could go First Class. But then to add the intrusive nature of the "security" screenings, when I absolutely detest being close to strangers, much less being touched by them, and I doubt I will fly even domestically for the rest of my life.

In fact, given the way TSA agents have humiliated those with implants (story was posted here about them pulling the pants off an old man with knee implants) and that I will likely have to wait until I get my knee replacements, there is another level of "security" screening that would probably set me off.

The guy that would not let them "touch his junk" was very polite and patient with the TSA thugs. I don't have that much patience - I'd end up getting hauled off for berating and harassing the agents and for using vulgar language!

I can think of lots of fun and innovative ways to harass them while I am here at my desk - in real life, I am not nearly as much fun in stressful situations. As my hubby says, "Don't get her mad - you wouldn't like her when she is angry."

[Harry Monroe]

43. A 2 shake/touch/grope maximum should be in effect.

Any more and the TSA official is going to have to buy you dinner!!

[Old and In the Way]

17. It's all about fear, fear, fear.

Seriously, how many terrorists have they stopped with this technology in the past 10 years? What are the chances of dying by a terrorist bomb vs., say, driving the equivalent number of miles to your destination? They could randomly choose to check a small % and certainly they can flag any suspicious people at the point of purchase and check-in. What I find strange is the lack of pushback by the airline industry. How many customers have they lost to alternative transportation modes because of this hassle and aggravation? The last 3 times I flew, I got the XXX treatment (enhanced interview). Nothing random about that. When I questioned the TSA about that he said I was unlucky. yeah, right.

I think the primary objective is to remind people that terrorists want to kill us for our dwindling freedoms. And also rationalize the existance of that bureaucratic boondoggle known as Homeland Security.

[tblue37]

22. And the Nude-o-Scopes make big money for Michael Chertoff--

and probably for other politically connected people.

[ipaint]

25. +1 this is the only reason scanners are in the airports. nt

[earthside]

18. "If you don't have anything to hide ..."

I can hear it now from the right-wing fearmongers and the left-wing nannies: "If you don't have anything to hide, then why should you object?"

But, of course, that line of argument is the starting point for tyranny -- what next becomes something you 'don't have to hide'? Your political beliefs? Your sexual orientation? Your medical status? Your religious beliefs?

And, there is the simple intrusiveness and intimidation that seeks to treat human beings like stupid sheep ... so that you get used to doing whatever 'authority' tells you to do.

Americans fly too much anyway -- it is the single most polluting activity that an individual can engage in. So, it is time to send the airlines and the government a message: start respecting us and stop treating us like peasants or we're not going to buy your product (flying).

[krabigirl]

29. +100

[Xicano]

32. Internal security, the age old cry of the oppressor is my response when I hear that line.

eom.

Hi earthside. :hi:



Peace,
Xicano

[seabeyond]

23. so, yesterday hubby said not bothered by scanners, understands issue. this morning reading, in bed

i tell him about this and grab his package and start showing exactly what the search would be. and asked him how comfortable he is with tsa playing with him in such a fashion.

though he still may not be as sensitive as i am to it all, cause he is just mellow to extreme, he sides with me now, lol

[ipaint]

24. Scanners= big money for wealthy assholes and their security corps.

WASHINGTON - Since the attempted bombing of a US airliner on Christmas Day, former Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff has given dozens of media interviews touting the need for the federal government to buy more full-body scanners for airports.

What he has made little mention of is that the Chertoff Group, his security consulting agency, includes a client that manufactures the machines. Chertoff disclosed the relationship on a CNN program Wednesday, in response to a question.
An airport passengers’ rights group on Thursday criticized Chertoff’s use of his former government credentials to advocate for a product that benefits his clients.

“Mr. Chertoff should not be allowed to abuse the trust the public has placed in him as a former public servant to privately gain from the sale of full-body scanners under the pretense that the scanners would have detected this particular type of explosive,’’ said Kate Hanni, founder of FlyersRights.org, which opposes the use of the scanners.

In the summer, TSA purchased 150 more machines from Rapiscan with $25 million in American Recovery and Reinvestment Act funds. Rapiscan was the only company that qualified for the contract because it had developed technology that performs the screening using a less-graphic body imaging system, which is also less controversial. (Since then, another company, L-3 Communications, has qualified for future contracts, but no new contracts have been awarded.)

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2010/01/02/group_slams_chertoff_on_scanner_promotion/

Rapiscan=Chertoff

Hyped up fear is very profitable. Just another way to siphon taxpayer dollars to the top. That people fall for it without question is what is truly amazing.

[krabigirl]

28. Good for him. This is not to stop terrorism, but to get us used to tyranny. And it's working.

[Matariki]

34. Bravo John Tyner. He handled that with aplomb.

He stood firm, remained calm and stared the fuckers down.

More like him.

[Joanie Baloney]

40. Just saw Mr. Tyner interviewed

Very well-spoken, calm young man. Maybe he'd like to head up a "No Fear TSA" campaign???

BTW - The best line got edited out of the OP, so I will re-post it for the Monday readers:

Tyner points out that every terrorist act on an airplane has been halted by passengers. "It's time to stop treating passengers like criminals and start treating them as assets," he said.

-JB

[Initech]

36. Those full body scanners are fucking evil. And the TSA is getting out of control.

I'm really surprised the ACLU isn't all over this.

[Democat]

41. If his name was Muhammad instead of John

He'd probably be in a secret prison in Cuba right now.

[LawnLover]

45. Didn't the terrorists allegedly take control of the 9/11 planes using box cutters?

It seems to me that if it's that easy to take a plane, NONE OF THIS WILL STOP a determined terrorist. So why, exactly, are we doing it? For peace of mind?

What a joke.