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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:26 PM
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Is Obama a Democrat?
Edited on Sun Nov-14-10 12:36 PM by ProSense
Is Obama a Democrat?

Is the man who won the Democratic primary and the Presidential election a Democrat? He delivered health care reform, Wall Street reform, and even though his entire agenda is is labeled dangerous by the RW, determined to repeal it and challenge it in court, it's clear they're pretending to hate him.

Could it be that his plan is to screw up the country for good?

Seriously, it's hard to know if President Obama is a Democrat by his vague positions on Social Security, tax cuts for the rich, trade and government.



Edited.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:27 PM
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1. Sure he is.
He's a New Democrat.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:59 PM
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29. President Obama is not nor has ever been a member of the DLC.
Edited on Sun Nov-14-10 01:02 PM by ClarkUSA
Unlike the Clintons.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:27 PM
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70. Did I say he was DLC?
No, I did not. Obama is a "new" democrat, the DLC on steroids.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 03:23 PM
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100. DLC = New Democrat
For example, former DLC Chairman Bill Clinton ran as a New Democrat in 1992 and 1996.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 05:21 PM
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106. As reported on the DLC website:
President Barack Obama firmly resists ideological labels, but at the end of a private meeting with a group of moderate Democrats on Tuesday afternoon, he offered a statement of solidarity.

"I am a New Democrat," he told the New Democrat Coalition, according to two sources at the White House session.




http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=254931&kaid=85&subid=900184
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 08:33 PM
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107. That's definitive
"I am a New Democrat," he told the New Democrat Coalition, according to two sources at the White House session.


The DLC loves to claim people as their own.

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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:27 PM
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2. What did you eat for breakfast this morning, Pro?
LOL.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:37 PM
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11. Wheaties
:)

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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:42 PM
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19. Ba da boom.
Hope they stick with you. You're gonna need it.;-)
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Akoto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:29 PM
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3. Yes. n/t
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:29 PM
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4. He's not sure.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:49 PM
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24. He's sure.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:30 PM
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5. K&R...nt
Sid
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muffin1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:33 PM
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8. K&U...nt
muffin1
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:38 PM
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14. Maybe, I should have labeled this
"reality"?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:32 PM
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6. I think you meant to say "reform".
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:32 PM
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:35 PM
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9. He's absolutely a Democrat. But the real question is "What is a Democrat?"
Not being facetious here. Since Clinton (and I'm sure probably before), there has been a vigorous struggle within and without the party over what the party should stand for.

Is Obama a Democrat? Sure. Sure. But Lieberman was a Democrat, too. Is Obama a "Lieberman" Democrat? I don't think so. He's much closer to Lieberman than he is to Democrats like Wayne Morse, Peter DeFazio, Dennis Kucinich, Al Gore though.

A Democrat is what a Democrat does and the party defines itself based on the actions of the majority of its voting members. So the party itself is probably more conservative than those names I mentioned above.

Problem is, he apparently belongs to a group within the Democratic party whose ideology is often times at odds with "conventional" Democratic ideology.

PB
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:38 PM
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12. Are you sure he's not a Republican or
Lieberman?

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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:46 PM
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23. A politician is defined by the legislation that they promote or smother and by....
...those things they consider negotiable and those things that they consider non-negotiable. He's neither Republican or Lieberman. He's Obama, and he has defined himself by those legislative and negotiatory choices.

I think most of us who are very critical of Obama aren't so frequently upset by the legislation he promotes as the things he's willing to negotiate away in order to make arguably minimal progress.

(Bill) Clinton and Obama aren't all that different, for instance, in the legislation they promote(d). It's their differences in what to give up via negotiations to achieve "success" and the resulting tone of the legislation that's causing a huge backlash.

PB
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:49 PM
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25. Some how I don't see
this coming from the likes of Presidents McCain (I'd leave the country), Lieberman (bullet dodged) or Bayh (yikes!)

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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:51 PM
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26. Agreed. But I don't think there was ever much disagreement about that, really. n/t
:shrug:

PB
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:50 PM
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43. Still fighting Bill Clinton, huh?
This is one of the chief mistakes of the left over the last two years. We're using Obama as a stand-in to keep fighting the same old battles against Clinton and his wing of the party. The problem, is that the old narratives and assumptions are no longer accurate or useful.

The left should have taken a fresh look to understand Obama as he is and come up with a new strategy. Instead, we're fighting yesterday's battles and losing today's.

Obama is the first President from a background of left wing movement activism. He understand how long-term change happens. He started his presidency with a call for a movement from the ground up. Instead, half the left responded passively and complained while they expected big brother to do it for them. It's a sad disappointment.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #43
47. What are you talking about?
I think you're making some inferences about what I posted that I don't understand.

:shrug:

PB
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:57 PM
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49. Don't dance around it.
If you think Obama is a Lieberman Democrat, as your post suggests, then just write it. If you don't then clarify what you really think.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:04 PM
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51. Considering I specifically said I didn't think he was, yours is a pretty strange interpretation.
Don't you think?

:shrug:

PB
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:26 PM
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69. You're being cute.
I'm reminded of talk radio conservatives who ask a question and strongly imply something but stop just short of saying it. That way they can weasel out of defending their position when challenged.

I know it's a waste of time, but I'll give it another go. I argued that some of the left is using Obama as a stand-in to fight old battles with Bill Clinton and his wing of the party. Would you like to respond to that comment rather than playing this game? Or, do you believe that Obama is more progressive than Clinton?
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #69
75. You're talking nonsense now.
Have a good Sunday. Sunday is a good time to take naps when we get cranky.

:hi:

PB
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 03:28 PM
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101. beep...beep...beep
These are your words: "Problem is, he apparently belongs to a group within the Democratic party whose ideology is often times at odds with "conventional" Democratic ideology."

You've chosen not to defend or even explain yourself. I can only conclude that you're incapable of doing so. I'm sure you'll keep playing games and carrying out your old grudge against Clinton while the rest of us do something useful.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:35 PM
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10. No doubt about it...
Yes he is a Democrat.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:38 PM
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13. No, but he plays one on TV
:hide:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. He's
and actor or what's the other term, starts with a T and end with an "orse"

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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #13
63. LOL
:evilgrin:
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:39 PM
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15. Well, gosh, I wonder!
Why is Mr. Obama such an awesome Democrat ... in fact, quite possibly the most awesomest Democrat EVAR:

Perhaps it is his strong support of equal marriage rights for all Americans.

Or maybe it is his opposition to the Patriot Act.

Or perhaps it's how vigorously he fought for the Gulf of Mexico ecosystem in the wake of the BP disaster.

Aw, hell, here are 47 reasons:
http://whatinthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com

Most awesomest EVAR! :patriot: :loveya:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:45 PM
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21. Sorry,
my list is longer:



Order the closing of Guantanamo Bay

Prohibit use of torture

Obama Orders Secret Prisons and Detention Camps Closed

Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (More)

The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act

Omnibus Public Lands Management Act

Special Inspector General for the Troubled Asset Relief Program Act of 2009

Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act of 2009 or FERA (PDF)

Helping Families Save Their Homes Act of 2009

Enhanced Partnership with Pakistan Act of 2009 (Kerry-Lugar includes funding for Obama's global poverty initiative)

Ryan White HIV/AIDS Treatment Extension Act of 2009

End of 22-Year Discriminatory Travel Ban

Veterans Health Care Budget Reform and Transparency Act

Stopping Conflict-related Sexual Violence Against Women and Children

The UN, Women & Girls

New policy steps towards Cuba

Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty with Russia

Turkey, Armenia sign historic accord

Green jobs for real people: The story behind the recovery numbers

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (More)

START Treaty signed with Russia

U.N. Security Council Nuclear Arms Resolution

Trade Agreement with Russia that may result in 44,000 U.S. jobs.

New rules raising fuel standard requirements.

New rules to regulate coal air pollution

New sulfur dioxide emissions limits

New rules to limit water pollution from mining.

A Breath of Fresh Air

VA is making it easier for veterans to get help for PTSD.

HHS announces first national strategy for HIV/AIDS.

Federal Medical Leave Act extended by Department of Labor to include same-sex relationships.

Executive order reversing stem cell ban.

Prevent hospitals from denying visitation privileges to same-sex partners.

Reversed the "Mexico City Policy"

Banning antibiotics in livestock production

LGBT-Inclusive Sexual Education

Fair Sentencing Act

Enforcing the National Voter Registration Act for the first time in its 15-year history

Saving the Auto Industry

Appointing Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court

International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission

The Tribal Law and Order Act

Formaldehyde Standards for Composite Wood Products Act

Wall Street Reform

Appointing Elizabeth Warren as the first-ever consumer advocate

Ending the combat mission in Iraq

Strict Rules for Regulators on Ties to the Oil Industry

No more exemptions from environmental studies for deep drilling

Small Business Jobs Act of 2010

Manufacturing Enhancement Act

Obama’s Development Reforms: From Charity to Growth

The First Large-Scale Solar Energy Plants on Public Lands

sustainability projects across the country

First national emissions and fuel economy standards for heavy vehicles

Obama signs pair of intelligence bills into law

FEINGOLD INTELLIGENCE REFORMS SIGNED INTO LAW


Only in today's America can a President save the country from a depression, enact health reform after 100 years of attempts, enact histortic student loan reform, enact the strongest financial reforms since FDR, including a first-ever Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, do it all in his first 18 months, only to have people pushing the meme that he hasn't done enough and nothing has changed.

The time required for change







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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #21
28. Awe hell,
Is that ALL ya got! :evilgrin:

:hug: :toast:
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #21
35. LBL, LBL, LBL, LBL, LBL, LBL
FLEE FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!!!!!!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. Did I miss the "LBL" meeting? TSB n/t
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #36
37. You're looking for organization that isn't there and never was.
Edited on Sun Nov-14-10 01:30 PM by cornermouse
By the way, when are you going to finally admit HCR was a failure? Seriously, I wouldn't brag about HCR. You probably would prefer people forget that one.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #37
40. See what you
miss when you fail to click on links.

"By the way, when are you going to finally admit HCR was a failure? Seriously, I wouldn't brag about HCR. You probably would prefer people forget that one."

The answer is never. It is change for the better. If I wanted people to forget it, I wouldn't have linked to information about it in the OP.

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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:53 PM
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46. In case you haven't noticed, Guantanamo is still open.
I don't need to click on your link to know that. We're still in Afghanistan with no end in sight. HCR is a failure and its going to hurt the democratic party for quite some time. Torture is still with us and now it would seem assassination has been added. (When did we go from a nation of laws and trial by jury to the type of stuff that would be expected from a third world government?) Except for a brief lull after the lenders/mortgage companies got caught with their hand more or less in the cookie jar, foreclosures have continued to rise. It was bizarre to hear Obama come out in support of the mortgage companies for continuing to foreclose on homes in spite of the way the mortgage companies had made a mockery of the law and the legal process. There's just not going to be any way you can smooth this over and pretend it never happened.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #46
50. In case you don't know this
not everything in life works out according to the best laid plans. Gitmo will be closed.

Health care reform is one of the this country's greatest achievements, thanks to the President.


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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #50
52. Gitmo is open. That IS the bottom line.
The republican plan which Obama chose to embrace for HCR is going to haunt the democratic party for a long time. It is a failure.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #52
53. No,
the bottom line is that a significant amount of progress is being made.

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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #53
65. Progress is not closure and blue links to yourself don't mean much.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #65
66. "blue links to yourself "
Is that really an effective rebuttal of the President's achievements?

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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #66
73. If I made a habit of linking to my other posts which, in turn, linked
Edited on Sun Nov-14-10 02:29 PM by cornermouse
to my own earlier posts, would you take me seriously or consider me an authority or valid source? I doubt it. Why, then, do you expect it from me?
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #40
82. $1 Trillion per year give-away to the
health insurance mafia and Big PhRMA...

"change for the better"... :eyes:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #82
88. Change
even a democratic socialist can support.

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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #88
94. He's making lemonade...
Edited on Sun Nov-14-10 03:09 PM by ProudDad
out of a lemon...

Bernie knows as well as the rest of us who are paying attention that the "health insurance mafia and Big PhRMA Stimulus Act of 2010" will do nothing to cut costs, will not cover everyone - especially those who need coverage the most, and must be replaced by Improved and Enhance Medicare for All or some such single-payer type system that REMOVES the profit-motive, capitalism from health care financing...

or else...

Nice try though... :sarcasm:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #94
96. I know,
deep down Senator Sanders really doesn't support this or believe it's: "Landmark legislation overhauling the nation's health care system"


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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #96
98. That is correct...
Even Bernie has to play the corrupt game to stay in office...

I'm certain that Bernie Sanders does NOT believe that bullshit...
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #98
104. Did you just imply that Bernie Sanders is corrupt? n/t
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #15
79. Best post in the thread.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #15
97. Great post!
:rofl:
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:39 PM
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16. His party registration papers say he is.
The simplest definition is the factual one. Anybody who is registered to vote as a Democrat is therefore a Democrat.

You could be as far right as Augusto Pinochet and still register as a Democrat and vote in Democratic primaries and so forth.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. Well
prove it.

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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. What, his party registration papers?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #20
22. I
kid. I don't need to see his papers.

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jdp349 Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #18
34. I suppose you'll want to see his birth certificate too...
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #16
27. I want to see his long form registration papers, dammit!
For all I know he's a member of KANU!




:sarcasm:
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #16
83. "as far right as Augusto Pinochet"
And many are!
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:01 PM
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30. REC nt
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:05 PM
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31. The tea party is no crazier than elements of the left.....
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #31
85. Major difference...
Edited on Sun Nov-14-10 02:57 PM by ProudDad
the tea party is WRONG...

The Progressive Left is RIGHT...

There's a difference between believing in fantasies and taking the hopium and knowing the facts and history that has led us to the current dire situation...

That's the biggest crime of the alleged "balance" of the M$M; pretending that "both sides" have equal veracity and deserve equal weight...
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:08 PM
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32. Define "Democrat"
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:12 PM
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33. he's got a D right after his name.
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SmileyRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:23 PM
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38. Bored?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #38
39. No, you? n/t
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #39
55. Yes.
Infatuation is boring.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:21 PM
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64. +1
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:24 PM
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67. "Infatuation is boring."
So is whining.

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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:38 PM
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76. "So is whining"
So is lying
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:44 PM
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78. So
since we've established that all of these things are boring, now what?

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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:57 PM
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86. +1. nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:37 PM
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:39 PM
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42. He Calls Himself One... Just Doesn't ACT Like One! I Can No Longer Defend Him
when Independents or Repukes challenge me. Don't know what to say because I too am soooooooo UPSET!
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:54 PM
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48. Same here. I am no longer defending him. He has sold us out.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:51 PM
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44. First and foremost he's
a politician.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 05:17 PM
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105. That's
true for all elected officials.

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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:52 PM
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45. Sure he is. So are most people on DU. So?
It's just a political party that anyone can join.
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aka-chmeee Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:08 PM
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54. I've been calling him Bush-Lite almost since the beginning /nt
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:11 PM
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56. The lady doth protest too much, methinks n/t
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:11 PM
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57. My post was deleted, but one must question the blatant ignorance of the OP.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:18 PM
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60. Why,
because it supports the fact that President Obama is indeed a Democrat?

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:16 PM
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:16 PM
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59. Yes
He's also a Christian and was born in Hawaii too.

Besides, this is the Big Tent party... We have several kinds of Democrats in it with us.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:18 PM
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61. Of course he is - which begs the discussion of what the Democratic Party stands for. nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:19 PM
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62. Here's
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:25 PM
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68. yes
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:28 PM
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71. Can Toonces the Cat drive a car?
Of course. Just not very well.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:34 PM
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74. "On a scale of 1 to 10, he's a ten"
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 03:03 PM
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91. You're very funny
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


I get such a kick out of your naive unquestioning support of the status-quo...
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 03:04 PM
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92. So is this response
:rofl:
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:28 PM
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72. is this really the question? i thought what is generally debated is whether or not
he is a liberal democrat and whether he is an effective democrat. is his belonging to the democratic party ever in question?
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Citizen Worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:41 PM
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77. Yes, he's a democrat. The formal name of the party is, Business Party #2. Likewise Harold Ford and
Al "Squeaky" Fromm is a democrat as is Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:48 PM
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80. That's new
The common comparison is Obama=Bush (I know, it's not usually that one)

I've never seen:

    Obama = Harold Ford
    Obama = "Al 'Squeaky' Fromm"
    Obama = Joe Lieberman
    Obama = Zell Miller





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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 03:02 PM
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89. Obama = Hoover...
when it comes to support for banksters...
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:51 PM
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81. Is Obama a "member" of one of the two-right-wings
of the Corporate War Party...?

You betcha'...!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:56 PM
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84. The party of
Nancy Pelosi
Dennis Kucinich
Raul Grijalva
Jerrold Nadler
Jan Schakowsky
Sherrod Brown
John Kerry
Russ Feingold
Tom Harkin
Al Franken

Not the party of

Sarah Palin
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:59 PM
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87. None of those you mention
Edited on Sun Nov-14-10 03:01 PM by ProudDad
are in charge of policy...

In the "Permanent War Economy(tm)" in the "National Security State(tm)"...

That's polluting the Earth, our air, our water, and destroying the web of life that supports us...

For the short-term gain of their corporate capitalist masters...

Although many on that list have voted to continue the wars...

But go ahead and apologize for the enablers if it makes ya' feel good... :eyes:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 03:02 PM
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90. Sorry,
I was responding to this:

"Is Obama a 'member' of one of the two-right-wings of the Corporate War Party...?"

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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 03:10 PM
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95. I knew that...
he IS a member of one of the two right-wings of the Corporate War Party...

Nice to see you agree...
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whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 03:04 PM
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93. Does the stupid burn?
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 03:23 PM
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99. We KNOW you(s) are STAUNCH Democrats
Why this?
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 03:29 PM
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102. silly and divisive post. of course, Obama is a democrat.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 03:38 PM
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103. Why is a post
supporting the fact that the President is a Democrat "silly and divisive"?

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