Poor minorities and liberal bloggers

[jpgray]

You know, it's quite amazing that such seemingly disenfranchised and apparently powerless groups could bring down the financial industry and the Democratic Party, respectively. We can only hope our leaders will take the strong measures necessary to neutralize these implacable saboteurs.

If not, what fresh havoc might their omnipotence wreak?

:dunce:

[hendo]

1. How dare the poor have a say in government!!

:sarcasm:

Everyone here loves the poor when they vote democrat and hates the poor when they vote republican.

[proud patriot]

4. They actually believe that too I had a couple pukes say to me

on facebook " "that people on welfare" shouldn't have a say in how taxes are spent" shouldn't be allowed to vote"

[bobbolink]

8. I'm fine with that..... as long as it includes Corporate Welfare!

:evilgrin:

In fact, I sure wish progressives would get in the habit of using the term "Corporate Welfare"!

[bobbolink]

6. "Everyone here loves the poor when they vote democrat " Really? Are you sure?

I hadn't noticed it.

Poverty sure doesn't show up in most of the lists of priorities, does it?

[hendo]

21. Oh, it isnt that many of them care about poverty

until job-loss strikes them. It is that they see the poor as a class of people that will always vote democrat, and are shocked and hate it when the poor do not vote for the democrat.

[bobbolink]

22. The party has turned its back on poor people for quite a while now, so there should be no surprised

that the party can no longer count on the votes of poor people.

The party did that to itself.

[Raine]

23. They love them as long as their vote is up for grabs

after that the hell with them, yeah I'm cynical. :-(

[ThomCat]

24. I wish people here loved the poor when they voted democratic.

It's more accurate to say that poor people are taken for granted when they vote for the democratic party, and demonized when they don't.

Poor people who vote for us are assumed to be voting in their best interest, but get nothing out of it.

Poor people who vote for the other party are assumed to be voting against their interests but nothing out of it.

After all, neither party is addressing homelessness.

Neither party is addressing systematic causes of poverty.

Neither party is interested in rebuilding the social safety net except for middle class people who only need it temporarily.

Neither party has any interest at all in addressing the loss of affordable housing units for the very poor over the past decades.

Neither party has any interest at all in addressing ways of turning the mass of foreclosed homes into available homes for homeless people and the poor.

Neither party has any interest at all in discussing ways to bring down housing and rental costs, because value to banks and investors is far more important that lowering costs to those who need to pay to live.

Neither party has any interest at all in discussing or ending the deliberate criminalization of the poor and this war against the poor being waged by the police, district attorneys and the courts across the nation.

on issue after issue, neither party gives a damn about what is happening to poor people. Neither party cares about the issues that truly need to be addressed if we are going to improve the help of millions of poor people in our nation.

[bobbolink]

25. Once again, you say it all so clearly! This should be required reading!

:applause:

[EFerrari]

2. Let's just hope they never cross those streams!

:dunce:

[Radical Activist]

3. Most liberals and poor minorities still give Obama high approval ratings

I know this challenges your worldview of Obama but it would help if you accept that reality. You might come to an understanding of what's really going on and the agenda of "liberal" pundits who never have a positive thing to write about Obama.

[jpgray]

5. I approve of him, all weltanschauung nonsense aside

You might consider that many critics do not want him to lose the presidency, but use it.

[Radical Activist]

14. I consider that to be the case when

someone is capable of both praise and fair criticism. We have too many who are incapable of taking a rational view on the positives. That's why we just had a national election in which most of the public had almost no clue about anything positive Obama has done. We can't expect the corporate press of Fox to do that for us. That's why we needed the progressive pundits and netroots to come through. For the most part, they didn't show up to the fight.

[jpgray]

17. Grannies don't read Greenwald

Seriously. Name the groups that most abandoned Democrats, and see if you can find liberals and minorities in any numbers. You can't. Obama didn't govern hard to the left, and paid no significant cost for resulting liberal criticism. He made every effort to reach out to independents, surmounting vast obstacles to form a centrist consensus, yet we went from winning independents by something like 8 points to the Democrats losing them by something like 19.

That isn't Fire Dog Lake at work, in my opinion.

[EFerrari]

9. Hmm. Looking at the polling of Latinos

it looks like their support is for Democrats more than it is for Obama. His support among that demo has slipped some while at the same time, a good Latino turnout decided a number of midterm races in favor of Democrats.


Despite large lead, Dem vote choice still underperforms Democratic partisanship
Posted on October 18, 2010 by Gary Segura

With little more than two weeks to go until the November election, the most apparent characteristic of this week’s track is stability. Latinos prefer Democratic candidates to Republican candidates, 59.0% to 22.3%, with 18.7% undecided. This margin is modestly weaker than last week’s but do not meaningfully alter the complexion of the race among Latino <...>

http://latinodecisions.wordpress.com/category/obama/

Hispanics' Approval of Obama Drops in 2010
http://www.gallup.com/poll/139379/Hispanics-Approval-Obama-Drops-2010.aspx

LD Tracking Poll: Obama approval falls, Economy, Immigration dominate 2010 election
http://latinodecisions.wordpress.com/2010/08/30/ld-tracking-poll-august-30/

The good news, LD found that unlike the tea baggers, the few Latinos who tend to vote with the GOP were not enthused about turning out and were less likely to actually cast a ballot.

[Radical Activist]

13. You're trying way to hard.

You're engaging in shameless cherry-picking. He was over 60% in all but one of the polls in the graph you linked. That's what I expected to find when I saw that you didn't post the actual poll numbers. Reality doesn't make your argument very well.

And why cite a poll that's six months old? I have a hunch that more recent polls don't support your argument either.

Hey look! He's back up again to 63% among Hispanics in the most recent poll. That's pretty good! I even found that number at the same site you linked, so you could have found it easily yourself if you weren't trying so hard to paint a misleading picture.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/144347/Obama-Approval-Advances-Pre-Election.aspx

Why is it so important to you to believe that Obama is unpopular?

[EFerrari]

15. LOL! No, I posted the links so you could see for yourself.

Latino Decisions is about the best poll of Latinos in the country. They're the people that debunked Bush's 41% bullshit in 2004.

You spend a lot more time than I do thinking about Obama. I've been looking at the exit polls for Latinos which the NEP got wrong which is why I bothered to look and see how he's polling at all. :)

[Radical Activist]

16. No, you didn't look at how Obama is polling.

You searched for a six month old poll that showed him at a low point and ignored the more recent polls. Shameless. Just horribly shameless. That's what Fox News does, not real progressives.

[EFerrari]

18. I'm sorry, RA, you're going to have to project all over someone else. n/t

[La Lioness Priyanka]

7. the power i have is incredible. you have no idea.

lol

[JVS]

10. What happened?

[jpgray]

12. Nothing

Just throwing a stupid spitball at the endless ridiculousness of who gets blamed for a crisis, and who gets paid.

[JVS]

19. come on, give me the back story

[jpgray]

20. Well

There's been a proliferation of posts touting Obama and the Democrats' still-strong numbers of approval among liberals. It's rather difficult to square that with all the claims from the exact same people that liberal bloggers were going to destroy the Democrats' chances in the election. It reminds me of blaming irresponsible borrowers for the mortgage crisis. There's a pattern of defense for the established that launches absurd finger-pointing at the least influential groups imaginable.

[HEyHEY]

27. Bullshit, it's all your fault. I blame JP gray

Stop bringing downt he government, you! *Shakes fist

[ipaint]

11. Poor,white and part of a very large and growing underclass.

Not a minority but sure am poor. I wasn't always extremely poor, mostly lower working class but this current depression in a regular succession of recession/depressions ushered in by liberals and conservatives in the middle and ruling classes over the last 4 decades did me and my husband in.

I'm with chris hedges-

Liberals Are Useless

by Chris Hedges

Liberals are a useless lot. They talk about peace and do nothing to challenge our permanent war economy. They claim to support the working class, and vote for candidates that glibly defend the North American Free Trade Agreement. They insist they believe in welfare, the right to organize, universal health care and a host of other socially progressive causes, and will not risk stepping out of the mainstream to fight for them. The only talent they seem to possess is the ability to write abject, cloying letters to Barack Obama—as if he reads them—asking the president to come back to his “true” self. This sterile moral posturing, which is not only useless but humiliating, has made America’s liberal class an object of public derision.

I am not disappointed in Obama. I don’t feel betrayed. I don’t wonder when he is going to be Obama. I did not vote for the man. I vote socialist, which in my case meant Ralph Nader, but could have meant Cynthia McKinney. How can an organization with the oxymoronic title Progressives for Obama even exist? Liberal groups like these make political satire obsolete. Obama was and is a brand. He is a product of the Chicago political machine. He has been skillfully packaged as the new face of the corporate state. I don’t dislike Obama—I would much rather listen to him than his smug and venal predecessor—though I expected nothing but a continuation of the corporate rape of the country. And that is what he has delivered.

“You have a tug of war with one side pulling,” Ralph Nader told me when we met Saturday afternoon. “The corporate interests pull on the Democratic Party the way they pull on the Republican Party. If you are a ‘least-worst’ voter you don’t want to disturb John Kerry on the war, so you call off the anti-war demonstrations in 2004. You don’t want to disturb Obama because McCain is worse. And every four years both parties get worse. There is no pull. That is the dilemma of The Nation and The Progressive and other similar publications. There is no breaking point. What is the breaking point? The criminal war of aggression in Iraq? The escalation of the war in Afghanistan? Forty-five thousand people dying a year because they can’t afford health insurance? The hollowing out of communities and sending the jobs to fascist and communist regimes overseas that know how to put the workers in their place? There is no breaking point. And when there is no breaking point you do not have a moral compass.”

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/12/07

No moral compass. The terms liberal and progressive have been so watered down and polluted with conservative dogma I only refer to myself now as the far left. Raise the pitifully low poverty level by $2000.00 a year and one third of this country are at or below it. They've had zero representation for the last 3+ decades and liberals long ago decided poverty was something they didn't want to bother their beautiful minds about.

Look what democrats did to acorn and barely a peep from liberals.

[bobbolink]

26. There are still more poor anglos than poor minorities. People don't want to know that, but it is

true.

Thanks for directing my attention to Chris Hedges... I wish he had a larger audience, because he is saying some very important things!