This is a very disturbing story about TSA

[Slit Skirt]

... maybe we should demand a little shake up ..I believe they are going too far. How much humiliation, and indignities do we tolerate before it is too much?
http://johnnyedge.blogspot.com/2010/11/these-events-took-place-roughly-between.html



and these machines are making Michael Chertoff rich..


Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff benefiting from scanner sales

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705355601/Homeland-Security-Secretary-Michael-Chertoff-benefiting-from-scanner-sales.html

[grasswire]

1. aghhh! corruption!!

Disgusting.

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[Vickers]

5. Are you just here to sell DVDs?

:shrug:

[Rhiannon12866]

6. Not anymore!

Thanks! :hi:

[Vickers]

9. Har! Thank you, my friend.

:thumbsup:

[Rhiannon12866]

19. Thanks for your help!

It's always appreciated... :D :hi:

[LibDemAlways]

2. If there's a buck to be made off the sheeple, you know

the lackeys from the Bush years will be first in line. Doesn't surprise me at all that Skeletor is involved.

The CEO of OSI, the parent company of Rapiscan which makes the nude-o-scopes is headed by one Deepak Chopra (not the author) who is a buddy of Obama and went along on the trip to India last week. The web of political/corporate ties is tightly tangled.

[JDPriestly]

3. The TSA does not apply rules consistently.

I have had some very strange experiences. Quite some time ago, I was stopped because a TSA person thought that a tube of hand cream that was clearly labeled looked suspicious. I was permitted to continue to to my destination, but only after the TSA guy checked the contents of my tube of hand cream by placing some of it on a paper towel and looking at it. Of course, it was precisely what it said it was.

But here is the odd part.

I flew to my destination and back, and only when I got home and completely emptied the contents of one of the bags I carried on, realized that I had two -- 2 -- very small containers of liquid way in the bottom of the bag. One was glasses cleaning solution and the other was a tiny tube of hand cream. How ridiculous. My husband thinks that maybe the containers of glasses cleaning solution and hand cream were just too small to interest the TSA, but I think they did not find them.

I realize that the TSA just wants to keep everyone safe, so I am not opposed to what they are doing. But I am concerned that they are not consistent about what they are doing. And the rule about liquids is just very difficult to follow or understand. It is really hard to put all liquids in a bag -- especially for women who just carry little tubes of liquids in their purses as an ordinary thing. We just don't always even think about the fact that say, a hand cream, is in our purse.

I don't know how they could do their job more effectively, but as it is, they are missing the mark. We do need security protection, but it should be absolutely consistent. And they should not confiscate things. They should simply check them out and let you go on. If something is not harmful and they know it, why confiscate it. Only a very tiny percentage of passengers will carry anything dangerous on a plane.

The rules are really complicated especially for those of us who do not travel very often.

[jberryhill]

11. The inconsistency is a feature, not a bug

If you think about it for a while, you might reach the conclusion that if the techniques and results were perfectly consistent, then you have a road map.

[JDPriestly]

13. I think their inconsistency could endanger the public.

I just don't think that what they are doing is really what is needed to protect the public. It's a lot of commotion, but it is not targeted so as to be really thorough.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

24. These same low IQ goons

are operating x-ray machines! And are trusted to delete the naked pictures of adults and children. How much education does a person have to have to operated an x-ray machine in a medical setting?

[leftstreet]

29. "low IQ goons" You know this....how?

wow. just wow

[Boudica the Lyoness]

46. Maybe I was too hasty

I knew someone who did this job and he was very very dense, yet got promoted and did well. So I was jumping to conclusions. My logic was if a dumb arse like him (and he is dumb) can do well there then it doesn't say much for the rest of the team.

So no I don't know it.

[GoneOffShore]

15. I fly 3 times a year.

Everything that's a 3oz liquid goes in the Kippy bag (named after Kip Hawley former head of TSA and author of the liquid ban). Wallet, belt, cell phone, change and keys in my carryon and secured. Shoes off, laptop out of case and in bin.
Don't generally get stopped.
But it's all still stupid security theatre.

[ixion]

22. Yes, I've flown and gone through, etc

that doesn't mean that I like it, or that it's the Right Thing to Do.

[GoneOffShore]

34. It's definitely not the right thing to do.

It's security theatre for the Kettles and Gomers performed by thugs and goons.

[DeadEyeDyck]

47. Is anything truly threatening

ever found in these searches?

[Pab Sungenis]

7. Write the new Republican Congresscritters.

Tell them to defund the TSA. See how serious they are about "taking their country back" from those who are destroying their rights.

Obama should have all but dismantled the DHS upon entering office.

[derby378]

41. +1,000,000

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W71NOJ6Vuio&feature=related

[ixion]

8. The TSA should be disbanded

and it's thug employees sent back to work at the toll booths they were working at prior to being a thug with a badge.

[BlackhawkPaul]

10. TSA=Security Theater

Security Theater is a term that describes security countermeasures intended to provide the feeling of improved security while doing little or nothing to actually improve security.<1> The term was coined by Bruce Schneier for his book Beyond Fear,<2> but has gained currency in security circles, particularly for describing airport security measures. It is also used by some experts such as Edward Felten<3> to describe the airport security repercussions due to the September 11 attacks. Security theater gains importance both by satisfying and exploiting the gap between perceived risk and actual risk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater

[leftstreet]

21. "Thug employees?" You can bash TSA policies without bashing employees

good grief

[ixion]

23. I've seen too many thugs there

sorry to upset your worldview. I have no respect for anyone who would perform such a duty. They are fascist enablers, as far as I'm concerned.

[leftstreet]

25. No, actually they're just working class people. And they're trying to unionize

TSA Employee Move Closer To Union Representation

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9562836

[GoneOffShore]

35. It'll be a great shame if the Thousands Standing Around get a union.

But luckily the clerk's agency may have jumped the shark with the advent of the Nude-O-Scope and Genital Grope.

I'm all in favor of unions but not for this load of weasels.

[Bill McBlueState]

37. why?

The fact that they're a bunch of two-bit power-hungry thugs does not alter their right to organize.

[GoneOffShore]

38. Should hangmen be organized?

Did the Brownshirts organize or the kapo's in the camps?

You don't uphold American ideals with un-American actions. And the TSA clerks are definitely performing un-American actions. They should quit and do something else more honorable. Even begging is more honorable.

[leftstreet]

40. You are libeling, defaming workers based on evidence gathered from a discussion forum?

Nice. Real nice

[GoneOffShore]

43. The TSA clerks are less honorable than used car salesmen or lobbyists.

The abuses that have been perpetuated by them have been documented on YouTube, complaints filed with the TSA, the TSA's own CCTV films, complaints filed with the ACLU.

They daily, under orders and of their own volition, violate the Constitution - the 1st amendment and the 4th amendment. They grope and gawk, humiliate and intimidate.

Yep, they're really good people who are just following orders. And they are helping the police state entrench itself in this country.

We have always been at war with Eastasia.

[leftstreet]

45. oh...nevermind

I'm about to violate DU's new civility rules



I'm gonna go ahead and guess you're probably not a labor activist

:hi:

[GoneOffShore]

49. We have always been at war with Eurasia.

My business was almost shut down by a labor dispute even though there were only three people working at our business - myself, my wife and an employee (who was not interested in being a union member). And we were not under any sort of union jurisdiction.

And my dad was beaten up by union members during a painters strike in the 1950's because he was a self employed contractor.

Yeah, I'm a little jaundiced.

[leftstreet]

50. Kudos to you for admitting your anti union bias

Hopefully it'll be easier for you to speak plainly about your prejudices without resorting to bigoted statements, slurs, and libeling of TSA workers.

[GoneOffShore]

51. Sorry - They're still thugs enforcing un American policies.

[Bill McBlueState]

53. I really don't want to go down the road

of applying a political test before determining whether people have the right to organize.

[GoneOffShore]

44. You got that one right.

"Obey my AUTHORITAH!"

[GoneOffShore]

26. Many of them are thugs,

Who are "just following orders", though I think that defense didn't work in 1946.

Here's a thread about how thuggish the TSA clerks are - "Shut up and get in the scanner!"

And another one "Heads up! I've got a cutie for you."

Just scroll through the threads on the Travel Safety and Security Forum at Flyer Talk.

Then come back and tell us that these people aren't thugs.

They are jumped up clerks who demand that travelers obey their "authoritah!" and if we don't they retaliate by secondary security inspections, aggressive pat downs and unreasonable searches of personal belongings, ie, wallets, receipts and hard drives.

I'm not a zek being transported to the gulag. I'm an American citizen exercising my right to travel in my own country.

Oh, and don't say "you can always take the train." These clowns are showing up at train stations and on subway lines now.

[leftstreet]

27. Are you this hard on cops?

:shrug:

[GoneOffShore]

30. You haven't checked those links yet.

As I said, come back and tell us they aren't thugs when you do.

And no, I'm not this hard on cops, but cops are sworn officers of the law.

TSA clerks are not - They are cop wannabees much like Paul Blart - Mall Security Officer - but with less training and no professionalism.

[leftstreet]

31. But why are you blaming fellow workers for policies they didn't create?

Are you railing at the people in positions to change these policies?

:shrug:

[GoneOffShore]

33. They are enforcing those policies with a great amount of glee.

Why should I not blame them - Do you give cops a pass who use excessive force during arrests?


And yes I am.

I've written my congress critters and sent letters to the TSA and the airlines.

Stop making assumptions.

And have you read any of the accounts at the links I posted?

[leftstreet]

39. Your links are from a discussion forum! It's hearsay aka bullshit

!!

[GoneOffShore]

52. You think? Really?

Why do you disbelieve people who've recorded incidents and reported the thugs to their superiors AND filed complaints with the ACLU?

Just because the TSA clerks are "workers"?

What bullshit indeed.

[GoneOffShore]

28. They weren't working at toll booths - they got fired from Mickey D's.

[Catherina]

12. Rec'd. I'm done flying.

Only if a very close relative dies will I ever fly back to the US. And even then, I'm not so sure.

[GoneOffShore]

14. TSA = Taking Stuff Away

for more info on National Opt - Out day and the resistance to the Nude-O-Scope (or Porn-O-Scope) go to http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travel-safety-security-222/
The Travel Safety and Security forum.

And DHS is prohibiting the TSA clerks from wearing dosimeters - They say the machines are "Safe". Right.....

So was Agent Orange.

Remember you can always opt out of the scan - They will pat you down but when they do make sure it's in public so that others can see what an ordeal it is. Then get the badge number, name, time of the "grope" and the location of the checkpoint. If they ask why tell them it's for your records. Then file a complaint form with the TSA. Also file a report with the ACLU.

This has got to stop.

[Matariki]

16. Do you realize that right wing blogs are saying George Soros owns the scanner company

and that the CEO is Deepak Chopra!?

I'm not kidding, do a google search.

Apparently the CEO *is* named Deepak Chopra - it's just not *that* Deepak Chopra. That's not stopping the weirdos though. And it's just odd how Soros has become some sort of catch all super villain. Poor guy.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Will not make people happy but... George Soros

is the current incarnation of the International Jew... yes antisemitism is alive and well and kicking.

[Blue Owl]

18. There's for-profit and then there's fear-profit

Fuck you Michael Chertoff.

[GoneOffShore]

36. Absolutely right -

And TSA clerks are prohibited from wearing dosimeters.

"The machines are safe."

"Agent Orange - just a defoliant."

"Smoking doesn't cause cancer."

"Round-Up? Perfectly safe."

"Marijuana is addictive and makes people eat babies."

[PBS Poll-435]

20. They have yet to touch my nutz.

:(

[TK421]

32. They're gonna love my nuts!

:D

[high density]

42. Why is a Democratic admin applying these horrific rules?

These pat downs and virtual strip searches aren't bringing us any security.

[Subdivisions]

48. Chertoff peddles them, Napolitano sells them. It's always the same bunch

working together to separate us from our money and OUR NATION from it's soul.