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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 11:54 AM
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Simply put, taxing the rich will pay off the debt; the commission proves itself to be a farce
By suggesting we lower taxes.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 11:57 AM
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1. If you tax everyone at 100% it would - but not the long term debt
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 01:09 PM
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5. If you tax only the super rich at the Greatest Generations tax levels, the DEBT is gone
In under 10 years...

Eliminating the Bush tax cut (4% increase) will raise 700 billion in revenues in 10 years. (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/11/us/polit ... ... )

Which means a 40% increase on the top tax rate to a rate similar to the pre-Reagan rate of 79.6% would yield 7 trillion in 10 years.

A 58% increase to 94% would yield over 10 trillion dollars over the next 10 years.

So our deficit of 1.3 trillion would be gone in a little over a year and our DEBT would be gone in under 10 years (as we pay it down).

Simple! Done and done - and we haven't added the critical taxes to investment income yet!

2010 Y1: 14T - 3T (2T normal revenues plus additional 1T from tax on ultra-rich) = 11T debt
2011 Y2: 11T(debt) + 1T(deficit) - 3T = 9T debt
2012 Y3: 9T(debt) + 600B(deficit) - 3T = 6.6T debt
2013 Y4: 6.6T(debt) + 700T(deficit) - 3T = 4.3T debt
2014 Y4: 4.3T(debt) + 800T(deficit) - 3T = 2.1T debt
2015 Y5: 2.1T(debt) + 800T(deficit) - 3T = .1T debt
2016 Y6: .1T(debt) + 900T(deficit) - 3T = +2 Trillion SURPLUS!!!
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 02:09 PM
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12. the top rate was not 79% pre-Reagan
It was only 70%
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 04:13 PM
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15. Corrected - 70%, pre-Reagan
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 02:06 PM
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10. oh baloney
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 11:58 AM
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2. The rich dont make enough to tax us into a balanced budget much less pay down debt.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 12:31 PM
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4. Whaaa?
20% of the people earn half of total income. Ten percent of americans have 74% of the wealth.

Tax them because that's where all the money is. The rich not only have enough money, they have all of it. Nearly half of americans have 0 net worth.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 03:31 PM
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14. You really shouldn't confuse income with wealth.
I'm also not sure I like the idea of a wealth tax.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 04:16 PM
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16. They can afford it, everone else is hurting.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 06:19 PM
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18. I'm not. But now that you brought it up, the purpose of the military is to protect wealth. n/t
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 01:12 PM
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6. Steep taxes on the rich are whythe greatest generation flourished!

Eliminating the Bush tax cut (4% increase) will raise 700 billion in revenues in 10 years. (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/11/us/polit ... ... )

Which means a 40% increase on the top tax rate to a rate similar to the pre-Reagan rate of 79.6% would yield 7 trillion in 10 years.

A 58% increase to 94% would yield over 10 trillion dollars over the next 10 years.

So our deficit of 1.3 trillion would be gone in a little over a year and our DEBT would be gone in under 10 years (as we pay it down).

Simple! Done and done - and we haven't added the critical taxes to investment income yet!

2010 Y1: 14T - 3T (2T normal revenues plus additional 1T from tax on ultra-rich) = 11T debt
2011 Y2: 11T(debt) + 1T(deficit) - 3T = 9T debt
2012 Y3: 9T(debt) + 600B(deficit) - 3T = 6.6T debt
2013 Y4: 6.6T(debt) + 700T(deficit) - 3T = 4.3T debt
2014 Y4: 4.3T(debt) + 800T(deficit) - 3T = 2.1T debt
2015 Y5: 2.1T(debt) + 800T(deficit) - 3T = .1T debt
2016 Y6: .1T(debt) + 900T(deficit) - 3T = +2 Trillion SURPLUS!!!
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 01:19 PM
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8. Why, when the numbers show this to be a lie, do you guys keep repeating it? n/t
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 02:07 PM
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11. good question
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 02:10 PM
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13. depends on how you define 'rich'
Some people want to eliminate the adjective 'super'. If only the super-rich are rich, then some people must be super-poor.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 04:18 PM
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17. Yes, in Haiti, they eat mud.
Edited on Mon Nov-15-10 04:19 PM by grahamhgreen
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 12:08 PM
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3. Agreed. As Krugman stated yesterday, what are tax cuts doing in a deficit reduction study?
n/t
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 01:14 PM
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7. The panel is biased to funnel more money to the top from the get go.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 02:06 PM
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9. +100
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