Why not train more dogs to sniff airline passengers for explosives ...

[spin]

and avoid all this concern over x-rated scans and intimate pat downs? Perhaps a dog could be used if a person refused to go through the scanner. A trained dog should even be able to detect explosives in a body cavity. Current scanners and pat downs can't.

Are dogs the key to bomb detection at airports?
December 30, 2009|By Chuck Conder and Kara Finnstrom, CNN

How could a man who allegedly had explosives hidden in his underwear have been allowed to board a plane headed for the United States?

Anti-terrorism experts say it never should have happened, and that specially trained bomb-sniffing dogs could have provided a low-tech way to detect such items.

***snip***

About 700 bomb-sniffing dogs currently work at U.S. airports. They are trained to detect up to a dozen different explosive compounds, including PETN, the compound that AbdulMutallab is alleged to have smuggled aboard Northwest flight 253 to Detroit on December 25.

The dogs used by the Transportation Security Administration are trained at Lackland Air Force Base near San Antonio, Texas. They patrol airport terminals, check unidentified packages and sniff baggage that raise alarms during X-ray screening. The dogs are not currently used specifically to sniff out explosives on people. But they could be, according to trainer Patrick Beltz.

"A well-trained dog and a very good, well-trained handler can find explosives with little or no false alarms," Beltz said. "And if they had been doing it, it might have deterred him from trying to get on the plane in the first place."
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-12-30/travel/bomb.sniffing.dogs_1_bomb-sniffing-dogs-explosives-handler?_s=PM:TRAVEL

[ChairmanAgnostic]

1. dogs are expensive, and they tire quickly

after 20-40 minutes, they are done. they need to rest and to do other things, like play, walk, sleep.

That means you need a lot of dogs, AND a lot of trainers, AND trained dog handlers.

When I returned from Mexico, a dog pointed me out. Then, they found out that I have two huge monstrous dogs, which was what attracted the attention. (after the search found nothing but art equipment)

[Roma]

6. I think adherents to certain religious groups consider dogs to be

unclean and would be offended by being sniffed.

[spin]

12. Interesting. I didn't know that. (n/t)

[ChairmanAgnostic]

15. I know a hindi family that deliberately got dogs, just

to keep their inlaws away.

Some Muslims also think that dogs are unclean, mainly because they lick themselves.

[XemaSab]

22. You think a Muslim would rather

be sniffed by a dog or be groped?

Let's give them a choice and find out. :P

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Because dogs are not as profitable

And this is a cultural trait as well, reliance on technology never minf how many times it bytes you.

The Ben Gurion methods are effective but, here is another cultural trait, not by us, therefore they can't work. I wish I was kidding as well.

[spin]

5. I also suspect that profit for the companies that make scanners ...

is a driving motivation.

I understand that the scanners were financed by the stimulus bill and quite possibly the administration would like to point at them as an example of the good the stimulus bill accomplished.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. And who owns them

If anything this points to the invertible level of corruption.

[Blue Owl]

3. a few sick fuck(s) can't get their thrills from a dog's nose sniffing someone's privates

they need full-on groping and visuals.

[liberal N proud]

4. There are too many government contract at stake.

Because you can't sell million dollar scanners if dog can do the job

[guitar man]

7. Labradors would be great at it

And we could train cats too, I've noticed cats often have an intangible way of sensing things when somethings not right. So if somebody goes through, the Labrador sniffs and finds nothing, the cat looks them over and doesn't react we can fly safe knowing that everybody had a good Lab report and Cat scan...





:hide:

:yoiks:

[spin]

9. LOL. Good thing I wasn't drinking coffee. (n/t)

[BrklynLiberal]

11. oy vay!!!!!

[blondeatlast]

14. This thread was worth the click for that response alone!

:rofl: squared!

[guitar man]

17. thanks

I'll be here all week, please tip your bartenders and wait staff :D

[ChairmanAgnostic]

16. LOL, perfect response.

[Dr.Phool]

29. When my Lab sniffed my body cavity, he reeled over unconscious.

[spin]

37. Woof. (n/t)

[sally cat]

42. OMG, funniest thing I've read in ages!

[BrklynLiberal]

10. More money to be made doing it the way they do now...Efficiency not the priority. Profit is.

[slackmaster]

13. Some passengers from certain cultural backgrounds would be offended

Maybe trained miniature horses?

[uppityperson]

18. How about screening all baggage?

[spin]

19. Now that would make sense ...

the last attack was from PETN hidden in printer cartridges. You can't hide those under your clothes.

[pinboy3niner]

32. Especially carrion baggage...

It was a DUzy of a thread...

Maggots fall from flier's stowed bag, force US Airways flight back to gate in Atlanta(See Post #6):
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8666157

[spin]

33. That's gross. Glad I wasn't on that flight! (n/t)

[uppityperson]

44. thank you, I'd missed that, too funny

[spin]

20. Perhaps the idea is to start these scanners out in airports ...

and eventually have them everywhere. City halls, courts, schools etc.

A fortune could be made if you had stock in the companies that make these machines.

[Arkansas Granny]

21. I'm pretty sure I'd prefer being "smelt up" instead of felt up.

[spin]

24. If you didn't want to go through the scanner, a dog might be a good alternative ...

especially if coupled with the old style pat down.

[northernlights]

23. my dogs would be more than happy to spend a day sniffing crotches

heck. they try to do it all the time...

[Greyhound]

25. Two reasons. Nobody's going to make a billion in dogs, and having dogs

check lines of passengers doesn't do one single thing to condition the obedient masses to accept unreasonable intrusions by "The Authorities".

[spin]

26. You summed it up nicely. (n/t)

[Greyhound]

27. Thank you.

:kick:

[avaistheone1]

38. +100000

[jberryhill]

28. More $$$ For The Canine Industrial Complex

Making their deals in smoky back rooms....

[spin]

30. Damn right, and the canines could just lift up their leg and piss on the scanners.

that would make my day!

[madinmaryland]

31. Because it makes sense, and would cut into the profits of the Security Industrial Complex (SIC)

[amborin]

34. dogs can't detect PETN

[spin]

35. My research shows they can ...

DiagNose offers explosive detection dogs worldwide

DiagNose offers top-quality explosive detection dogs, available in stock.

Our training methods are based on experience from all four of our training centers.

• Our dogs are being trained on real explosives

• We train on non-standard as well as standard explosives, including PETN as standard training.

• Each dog is being certified by local police / army authorities

• Dogs are in top medical shape

• We can provide young dogs and/or older, more experienced dogs according to client preference
http://diag-nose.com/K9blog/tag/petn

[TexasObserver]

36. recommend

[Meshuga]

39. And I don't mind if they sniff my crotch

That is what dogs do anyway.

[LisaL]

40. Some people are scared of dogs, especially if it's a large dog.

Even if a dog is well trained, because most airports are noisy places, I personally wouldn't be surprised if some passengers ended up bitten if dogs were frequently used for sniffing of passengers.

[spin]

45. I understand that you could just walk the dog down a line of passengers ...

and the dog would stop if it smelled explosives.

[robinlynne]

41. because they're looking for metal objects.

[spin]

43. So if a person refuses to go through the scanner ...

his alternate choice is an old style pat down and a sniff by a dog.

By the way, dogs can be trained to detect guns, knives could be a problem.

Arizona's DOC trains first dog to detect weapons being smuggled across border

TUCSON, AZ - Arizona is launching a unique new program to stop the flow of guns across the border.

Steve Lowe trains dogs with the Department of Corrections. At least twice a year the DOC hosts canine academies at their Tucson training facility , attended by police agencies all across the country.

***snip***

It is there that they teach bloodhounds to track scents over long distances and breeds such as German Shepherds to hunt narcotics and protect their handlers.

But now there’s a new type of dog among the ranks.

His name is “Ilo” and he is in his seventh week of learning to find guns.

Lowe said the Nogales Police Department asked them to help train Ilo to specifically find weapons.

***snip***

Another program that is relatively new for the DOC is the detection of cell phones.

Pendergast said they are the second state in the country, just third in the world to begin training dogs to find cell phones in prisons.
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_central_southern_az/tucson/arizona%27s-doc-trains-first-dog-to-detect-weapons-being-smuggled-into-mexico

[spin]

46. The Brits use sniffer dogs at airports ...

Searched, scanned, suspected, subjected to sniffer dogs – is airport security really working?
Sunday, 28 February 2010


Each new arrival at Gatwick airport is greeted by police sniffer dogs at check-in

It is lunchtime at Gatwick, and the airport is running like clockwork: no delays, no security alerts in progress. The queues are modest, but each new arrival is promptly greeted by police sniffer dogs at check-in. Other policemen maintain a highly visible presence across the terminal's floor, ' fully armed. Over the Tannoy comes the incongruous announcement that a non-denominational church service is about to begin in the North Terminal chapel. All are welcome. Overseeing all this from the South Terminal control centre, and facing a bank of CCTV screens that record every act across every inch of this place, is Geoff Williams, Gatwick's head of security. A former deputy chief of police, it is Williams' job to ensure that a 9/11 never happens on his watch. So far, so good. "Any job comes with its stresses, of course, but we take what we do very seriously here. We are maintaining the public's safety. A very necessary role, these days." emphasis added
http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/searched-scanned-suspected-subjected-to-sniffer-dogs-ndash-is-airport-security-really-working-1909514.html