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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 11:02 AM
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RWer Bryan Fishcher's latest target: Medal of Honor recipients
I shit you not!

http://www.thepajamapundit.com/2010/11/douchebag-quote-of-day.html
"When we think of heroism in battle, we used the think of our boys storming the beaches of Normandy under withering fire, climbing the cliffs of Pointe do Hoc while enemy soldiers fired straight down on them, and tossing grenades into pill boxes to take out gun emplacements.

That kind of heroism has apparently become passe when it comes to awarding the Medal of Honor. We now award it only for preventing casualties, not for inflicting them.

So the question is this: when are we going to start awarding the Medal of Honor once again for soldiers who kill people and break things so our families can sleep safely at night?

I would suggest our culture has become so feminized that we have become squeamish at the thought of the valor that is expressed in killing enemy soldiers through acts of bravery."
-Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association, explaining to all of us "feminized" Americans what it you have to do to be a good soldier: Kill motherf**kers.

Seriously. Look at this guy:


Does he really look to be the epitome of masculinity? (not that that matters)
(...)


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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 11:04 AM
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1. looks like Steve Martin. n/t
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 11:12 AM
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2. I would bet any amount of money he never spent a single day in the Military.
Medals have Never been given out just for Killing people..That is what soldiers are supposed to do. It is their main purpose.. When you risk your own life though to save others it is heroic.. It is not heroic to just shoot people and destroy property.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 11:19 AM
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4. And you would win- Fischer is just another chickenhawk. From his bio page:
Bryan Fischer has an undergraduate degree in philosophy from Stanford University, and a graduate degree in theology from Dallas Theological Seminary. He served on the staff of Cole Community Church in Boise, where he founded the Cole Center for Biblical Studies and served as its director for 13 years. He then founded Community Church of the Valley, where he served as senior pastor for 12 years. Prior to joining the leadership team at American Family Association, Bryan served as Executive Director of the Idaho Values Alliance which was the state affiliate of the AFA.


This guy makes Shrub Bush look like Audie Murphy....

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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 03:27 PM
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13. Gee who could have predicted that?
:eyes: The minute I read the title to the OP I knew he had to be just another loud mouthed chickenhawk.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 11:21 AM
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5. He's just been watching too many movies and the History Channel
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Johnyawl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 12:36 PM
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10. You're as wrong as Bryan Fischer ...
...this statement of yours is total nonsense: "Medals have Never been given out just for Killing people. Really? Have you never heard of Sgt York? Audie Murphy? John Basilone?

And this statement is even more divorced from reality:When you risk your own life though to save others it is heroic.. It is not heroic to just shoot people and destroy property.

I would suggest that you and Bryan Fischer take a history class together.

Saving lives can be heroic.
killing people can be heroic.

Throughout our military history we have given medals, including the congressional Medal of Honor, for both.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 03:15 PM
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12. SGT York captured a whole bunch of germans, he didn't kill a bunch
Audie Murphy saved so many American lives by manning a machine gun and keeping the German onslaught at bay long enough for the American troops to withdraw and regroup. His medals were for saving lives not for killing people. I know of no one that received any medals just for going on a killing spree. If a pillbox was knocked out and someone received a medal for it, it wasn't because they killed so many enemy, it was because that pillbox was killing so many Americans and by knocking it out many lives were saved..Why didn't all those soldiers at Mai Lai get medals? They killed a lot of people?
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 11:16 AM
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3. Checked out his web site and official bio
Edited on Wed Nov-17-10 11:33 AM by sarge43
and of course not a whisper of military service.

It takes a special breed of chickenhawk and poltroon to trash Medal of Honor recipients.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 11:22 AM
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6. From what I can find he never served in the military
Perhaps it is time to give him a gun and put him in the front lines so he can show everyone how to kill .......... just a thought
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Monique1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 11:29 AM
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7. I watched the medal of honor recipient
he did kill to save his friends.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 11:31 AM
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8. another tight ass, narrow-minded, fundi-brainwashed right wing Dork
Edited on Wed Nov-17-10 11:32 AM by fascisthunter
these people are deluded if they think they are righteous.
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nykym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 12:14 PM
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9. Looks and Sounds like
Ted Baxter (Ted Knight) from MTM show
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 12:40 PM
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11. Desmond Doss
Edited on Wed Nov-17-10 12:41 PM by Adsos Letter
Perhaps Fischer should consider the case of Desmond Doss, a WWII Medal of Honor recipient/combat medic in the Pacific Theatre who refused to carry a weapon because, as a conscientious objector, he objected to killing.

From Wikipedia:

Citation:

He was a company aid man when the 1st Battalion assaulted a jagged escarpment 400 feet (120 m) high. As our troops gained the summit, a heavy concentration of artillery, mortar and machinegun fire crashed into them, inflicting approximately 75 casualties and driving the others back. Pfc. Doss refused to seek cover and remained in the fire-swept area with the many stricken, carrying them 1 by 1 to the edge of the escarpment and there lowering them on a rope-supported litter down the face of a cliff to friendly hands.

On May 2, he exposed himself to heavy rifle and mortar fire in rescuing a wounded man 200 yards (180 m) forward of the lines on the same escarpment; and 2 days later he treated 4 men who had been cut down while assaulting a strongly defended cave, advancing through a shower of grenades to within 8 yards (7.3 m) of enemy forces in a cave's mouth, where he dressed his comrades' wounds before making 4 separate trips under fire to evacuate them to safety. On May 5, he unhesitatingly braved enemy shelling and small arms fire to assist an artillery officer. He applied bandages, moved his patient to a spot that offered protection from small arms fire and, while artillery and mortar shells fell close by, painstakingly administered plasma. Later that day, when an American was severely wounded by fire from a cave, Pfc. Doss crawled to him where he had fallen 25 feet (7.6 m) from the enemy position, rendered aid, and carried him 100 yards (91 m) to safety while continually exposed to enemy fire.

On May 21, in a night attack on high ground near Shuri, he remained in exposed territory while the rest of his company took cover, fearlessly risking the chance that he would be mistaken for an infiltrating Japanese and giving aid to the injured until he was himself seriously wounded in the legs by the explosion of a grenade. Rather than call another aid man from cover, he cared for his own injuries and waited 5 hours before litter bearers reached him and started carrying him to cover.

The trio was caught in an enemy tank attack and Pfc. Doss, seeing a more critically wounded man nearby, crawled off the litter; and directed the bearers to give their first attention to the other man. Awaiting the litter bearers' return, he was again struck, by a sniper bullet while being carried off the field by a comrade, this time suffering a compound fracture of 1 arm. With magnificent fortitude he bound a rifle stock to his shattered arm as a splint and then crawled 300 yards (270 m) over rough terrain to the aid station. Through his outstanding bravery and unflinching determination in the face of desperately dangerous conditions Pfc. Doss saved the lives of many soldiers. His name became a symbol throughout the 77th Infantry Division for outstanding gallantry far above and beyond the call of duty.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Doss
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Doss is one of only three conscientious objectors to be so honored, but many who have received the honor were intent upon saving comrades, rather than simply going after the enemy, although they killed enemy soldiers in the process. Fischer has the typical chickenhawk's glorification of war syndrome.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 05:51 PM
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14. Or these 2 airmen
Henry E. Erwin

On April 12, 1945, Erwin, called "Red" by his crewmates, was serving as the radio operator aboard a B-29 Superfortress named City of Los Angeles, piloted by Captain George Simeral. The plane was in formation for a low-level attack on a chemical plant at Koriyama, 120 miles (190 km) north of Tokyo, on their 11th combat mission. Along with their primary jobs, the twelve B-29 crew members had additional duties to perform. Erwin's was to drop phosphorus smoke bombs through a chute in the aircraft's floor when the lead plane reached a designated assembly area. He was given the signal to drop the bombs when the aircraft was just off the south coast of Japan and under attack by anti-aircraft fire and Japanese fighters.

Erwin pulled the pin and released a bomb into the chute, but the fuse malfunctioned and ignited the phosphorus prematurely, burning at 1,100 degrees. The canister flew back up the chute and into Erwin's face, blinding him, searing off one ear and obliterating his nose. Smoke immediately filled the aircraft, making it impossible for the pilot to see his instrument panel. Erwin was afraid the bomb would burn through the metal floor into the bomb bay. Completely blind, he picked it up and feeling his way, crawled around the gun turret and headed for the copilot's window. His face and arms were covered with ignited phosphorous and his path was blocked by the navigator's folding table, hinged to the wall but down and locked. The navigator had left his table to make a sighting. Erwin couldn't release the table's latches with one hand, so he grabbed the white-hot bomb between his bare right arm and his ribcage. In the few seconds it took to raise the table, the phosphorus burned through his flesh to the bone. His body on fire, he stumbled into the cockpit, threw the bomb out the window and collapsed between the pilot's seats.

The smoke cleared enough for Simeral to pull the B-29 out of a dive at 300 feet above the water and turn toward Iwo Jima, where Erwin could be given emergency treatment. His crew members extinguished his burning clothes and administered first aid, but whenever Erwin's burns were uncovered, phosphorus embedded in his skin would begin to smolder. Although in excruciating pain, he remained conscious throughout the flight and spoke only to inquire about the safety of the crew. Once at Iwo Jima, medical personnel didn't believe he would survive.

Army Air Force officials, led by Major General Curtis LeMay and Brigadier General Lauris Norstad, approved Erwin's award of the Medal of Honor in a matter of hours, so a presentation could be made while he still lived. A medal was flown to Guam and presented to him in the hospital there.

However, Erwin survived his burns. He was flown back to the United States, and after 30 months and 41 surgeries, his eyesight was restored and he regained use of one arm. He was given a disability discharge as a master sergeant in October 1947. His other decorations include two Air Medals, Purple Heart, World War II Victory Medal, American Campaign Medal, Good Conduct Medal and clasp with two loops, Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal with two Bronze Service Stars for participation in the Air Offensive Japan and Western Pacific campaigns and Distinguished Unit Citation Emblem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_E._Erwin

Maynard Harrison Smith

It was during his first mission, on May 1, 1943 that Staff Sergeant Smith, who was assigned to the ball gun turret, helped save the lives of six of his wounded comrades, put out a blazing fire (with his own urine stored in his catheter bag as was worn by all such airmen), and drove off wave after wave of German fighters.

Staff Sergeant Smith's bomber was hit, rupturing the fuel tanks and igniting a massive fire in the center of the fuselage. The damage to the aircraft was severe, knocking out communications and compromising the fuselage's integrity. Smith's ball turret lost power and he scrambled out to assist the other crew members. Three crew members bailed out, while Smith tended to two others who were seriously wounded.

In between helping his wounded comrades, Smith also manned the .50 caliber machine guns and fought the raging fire. The heat from the fire was so intense that it had begun to melt the metal in the fuselage, threatening to break the plane in half.

For nearly 90 minutes, Smith alternated between shooting at the attacking fighters, tending to his wounded crew members and fighting the fire. To starve the fire of fuel, he threw burning debris and exploding ammunition through the large holes that had been melted in the fuselage.

Staff Sergeant Smith's bomber reached England and landed at the first available airfield, where it broke in half as it touched down. Smith's bomber had been hit with over 3,500 bullets and shrapnel.

Smith was assigned to KP duty the week that he was awarded the Medal of Honor as punishment for arriving late to a briefing. Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson placed the Medal around Smith's neck during a formation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maynard_Harrison_Smith
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 05:46 PM
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15. I trust Mr Fischer is not a putatively Christian 'fundamentalist'. If a Christian
Edited on Thu Nov-18-10 05:47 PM by Joe Chi Minh
of any stamp, he should reflect on what is described in the Gospels as the peak of Christ's glory: his passively-accepted shameful, torture and death on Golgotha.

It is, at the very least, arguable, that it takes more courage to tend to a badly-injured comrade under fire, or to defuse a roadside bomb, than to charge at an enemy in a fit of rage. That gun lobby has a lot to answer for.
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