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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 03:13 PM Original message |
Israel's airport security measures are often pointed to as a better alternative |
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leftstreet
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Wed Nov-17-10 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
1. Israeli airport security = private contractors, non union employees |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. This "comparison talking point" -- minus the non-union employees -- |
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leftstreet
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Wed Nov-17-10 03:35 PM Original message |
yeah, I know n/t |
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KansDem
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Wed Nov-17-10 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
2. "Why do we have to spend millions of dollars on these body scanners?” |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 03:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. So what measures do you support? nt |
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KansDem
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Wed Nov-17-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Well, we can stop the sexual assaults... |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. No one who has been the subject of a real sexual assault |
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KansDem
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Wed Nov-17-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Really? Groping a women's breasts or a man's genitals isn't sexual assault? |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. When a doctor does a breast exam is that a sexual assault? |
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AlabamaLibrul
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Breast exams actually have a purpose. n/t |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. So do these searches. And neither one catches all the bad "cells." |
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KansDem
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #20 |
56. Doctors' exams are given by consent. |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. No one is forcing you to fly. Security screenings are part |
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KansDem
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:30 PM Response to Reply #63 |
74. Right. I don't mind walking through metal detectors. Or having a wand waved over me. |
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #13 |
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NNN0LHI
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:09 PM Response to Reply #47 |
68. You appear to know a lot about "some people here" for being here only a month yourself |
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ProgressiveProfessor
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Wed Nov-17-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Read at the link an the tell is this is just a patdown |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. That woman's account implies that the touching occurs on bare skin. |
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ProgressiveProfessor
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Thu Nov-18-10 10:12 AM Response to Reply #19 |
94. Nothing implied about it and the reaction is even worse |
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avaistheone1
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Don't think so. |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. "Probed"? Who is being probed? nt |
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avaistheone1
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #25 |
44. These people are being "probed" |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:34 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. There isn't a probe occurring in any of those pictures. |
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avaistheone1
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #45 |
57. Wrong. |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:01 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. Not in any common meaning of the term. n/t |
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Gormy Cuss
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #12 |
34. Wrong again. Plenty of women who have been sexually assaulted will recognize this as an assault. |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. I agree that women who have previously been assaulted will |
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Gormy Cuss
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:37 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Yes, but it's not informed consent |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Then that's wrong. I think people should be able to stop the procedure |
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nadinbrzezinski
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #12 |
42. It is |
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KamaAina
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Wed Nov-17-10 05:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
59. Scanning all baggage and cargo, for starters |
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ProdigalJunkMail
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Wed Nov-17-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. could not agree more... n/t |
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Mimosa
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Mon Nov-22-10 01:03 AM Response to Reply #59 |
100. I'm sure cargo compartments are where the next threats will originate. |
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avaistheone1
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Wed Nov-17-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
15. Yes sireee |
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ProdigalJunkMail
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Wed Nov-17-10 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
3. israeli departure point airports DO NOT interview everyone |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 03:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. So they asked you no questions at all? Not even the ones |
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ProdigalJunkMail
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
29. your OP states 'extensive interviews' and that is what i object to |
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ProgressiveProfessor
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Wed Nov-17-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
17. So you are saying that no one spoke to you before your bags were scanned |
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ProdigalJunkMail
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:12 PM Response to Reply #17 |
30. no...i am saying i was not interviewed with this 'extensive' process |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:37 PM Response to Reply #30 |
49. You are right that the questioning is probably longer for some passengers |
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ProdigalJunkMail
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. that is true for international passengers everywhere...at least to |
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AlabamaLibrul
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Wed Nov-17-10 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
4. So it's either 1) full body scanning or 2) police interrogation |
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treestar
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Wed Nov-17-10 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
5. Is believed to be low? I bet they can train for it. |
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Bluenorthwest
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
39. There is no three hour interview |
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CreekDog
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Wed Nov-17-10 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
8. Matthew Yglesias on his experience with them: |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Interesting link. Thanks CreekDog. n/t |
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TZ
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
28. My Uncle has been all around the world including Israel and Egypt |
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CreekDog
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:05 PM Response to Reply #28 |
64. Matthew Yglesias is a brown person, he is of mixed race --he didn't say this as explanation |
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Behind the Aegis
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:12 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Questionable |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:08 PM Response to Reply #28 |
66. So you don't believe the Palestinian Arabs and other Muslims |
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ProdigalJunkMail
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
32. never experienced anything other than professionalism and |
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CreekDog
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
67. are you white? |
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ProdigalJunkMail
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:16 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. oh...now the israelis are after black folk...right... |
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CreekDog
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:18 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Matthew Yglesias is not black...get it right |
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ProdigalJunkMail
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:22 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. he is mixed race...so your implication stands |
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CreekDog
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:34 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. so you are 100% sure that race was not a factor in this? |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:42 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. Palestinian Arabs and other Muslims strongly disagree. |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:36 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. Actually, the Israelis do engage in racial profiling. |
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BlueCheese
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:40 PM Response to Reply #8 |
77. Why the reference to "surly Russian immigrants"? |
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CreekDog
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:44 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. no idea |
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sally cat
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Wed Nov-17-10 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
14. Makes no sense to rule the method out without even trying it. The security theater is worse. |
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ProgressiveProfessor
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Wed Nov-17-10 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
18. Been through both, the Israeli approach is more civilized |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. What do you think about the costs involved to have so many |
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avaistheone1
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #22 |
37. I prefer to have highly trained and educated people questioning me |
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nadinbrzezinski
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. It is not the employees |
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avaistheone1
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. That may be. |
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nadinbrzezinski
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Of course |
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ProgressiveProfessor
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Thu Nov-18-10 10:22 AM Response to Reply #22 |
95. Given the number of bodies I have seen in airports TSA uniforms, it may well be less |
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nadinbrzezinski
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
24. I keep pointing to AICM, Mexico city |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. What sort of profiling do they do? n/t |
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nadinbrzezinski
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. They ask usual questions |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. What is "security theater"? "christmas theater"? |
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nadinbrzezinski
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. The magnetometer is needed so is x-Ray is needed |
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avaistheone1
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
33. Israel deals with far greater terror threat with far less inconvenience and invasion of privacy than |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #33 |
52. They're just looking at "you" and they're not influenced by |
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avaistheone1
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Wed Nov-17-10 05:04 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. They do behavioral profiling |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 05:58 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. I've read many articles about the kind of profiling they do. |
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nadinbrzezinski
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:28 PM Response to Reply #61 |
73. Ok reaching for the security hat |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #73 |
83. That could be a reasonable question. |
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nadinbrzezinski
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:58 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. They could do what they've done in mexico |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 07:10 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Do you have links about Mexico's procedures? |
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nadinbrzezinski
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Wed Nov-17-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. They don't publish them |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 07:17 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. This link talks about checking all passengers "physically." |
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nadinbrzezinski
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Wed Nov-17-10 07:24 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Whatever that means is a wand |
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nadinbrzezinski
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Wed Nov-17-10 07:22 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. Here is your spanish because here is one |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 07:10 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. delete |
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Warren DeMontague
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #33 |
54. How many times have you flown into or out of Israel? |
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ProdigalJunkMail
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. i have about 15 times...what would you like to know? n/t |
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Warren DeMontague
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Thu Nov-18-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #55 |
98. I have several times, too, but I was asking the previous poster. |
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aquart
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
36. I don't think I want to fly. |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:05 PM Response to Reply #36 |
65. The amount of radiation is many times less than the amount you get |
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Gormy Cuss
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Wed Nov-17-10 09:48 PM Response to Reply #65 |
93. The radiation is additive and of concern to people who've already had high exposure |
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Iggo
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Wed Nov-17-10 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
38. The American Gov't not training a nation full of cowards... |
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BlueCheese
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
79. The new TSA procedures sound really unpleasant. |
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nadinbrzezinski
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. It would not detect it |
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CreekDog
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Wed Nov-17-10 09:12 PM Response to Reply #79 |
92. but they aren't scanning everyone or patting them down --just the old folks in wheelchairs |
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cwydro
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
82. They are a better alternative. |
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pnwmom
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Wed Nov-17-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. Are you willing to pay for the extra costs? |
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panzerfaust
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Thu Nov-18-10 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
96. How many people are screened each year - I doubt as many as in the USA in a Day |
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howard112211
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Thu Nov-18-10 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
97. AFAIK, they rely pretty heavily on profiling. |
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Mimosa
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Mon Nov-22-10 01:00 AM Response to Original message |
99. Israel's airport security is actually founded on trained observers at check points evaluating behavi |
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Francois_Dillinger
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Mon Nov-22-10 01:09 AM Response to Original message |
101. Thom Hartmann was discussing the Israeli procedures on his radio show last week |
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