TSA - Sexual Assault

[Liberal_in_LA]

TSA - Sexual Assault

I have an incident to share that occurred late Friday afternoon, November 12, 2010, around 5:15 in the Dayton International Airport.


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So I placed him into his stroller. She instructed me, “Spread your feet apart and hold your arms out to the side.” I obliged.

She patted my left arm, my right arm, my upper back and my lower back. She then said, “I need to reach in and feel along the inside of your waistband.”

She felt along my waistline, moved behind me, then proceeded to feel both of my buttocks. She reached from behind in the middle of my buttocks towards my vagina area.

She did not tell me that she was going to touch my buttocks, or reach forward to my vagina area.

She then moved in front of my and touched the top and underneath portions of both of my breasts.

She did not tell me that she was going to touch my breasts.

She then felt around my waist. She then moved to the bottoms of my legs.

She then felt my inner thighs and my vagina area, touching both of my labia.

She did not tell me that she was going to touch my vagina area or my labia.

She then told me that I could put my shoes on and I asked if I could pick up the baby, she replied Yes.

http://www.ourlittlechatterboxes.com/2010/11/tsa-sexual-assault.html
:wtf:

[HopeHoops]

1. Six layers of Depends - just say you're having "intestinal issues".

[Brickbat]

2. Vagina is inside. The word this person is looking for is vulva. I recommend that we all become

familiar and comfortable with this term, because a lot of vulvas are going to be touched over the next few weeks unless we do something about it.

[uppityperson]

4. Seriously. One of my peeves also. Vulva, people. Unless they put their hand inside you

it is your vulva.

[Brickbat]

7. Yes. Marry me.

[uppityperson]

20. I would, but bigamy doesn't interest me. Have enough trouble keeping 1 partner

entertained.

[Brickbat]

30. Yeah, I'm married, too, but when I see another comment about words or grammar that goes above and

beyond, I get excited. :D

[redirish28]

3. I think in some states that is considered sexual assult and my wife

informed me that in some states the TSA agents fingers penetating the vagina would be considered rape.


Some states do define anything that penetrates the vigina as rape.

[pnwmom]

10. No fingers are penetrating vaginas in these pat-downs.

They are occurring through clothing and can be conducted in public.

[redirish28]

16. The touched the Vulva. I would say that is penetration...

[uppityperson]

19. That is not penetration. Touching the OUTSIDE of her vulva did not ENTER her vagina

Penetration is going INSIDE. She was touched on the outside of her body, no fingers went INSIDE.

Here is more info:
"The vulva (from the Latin vulva, plural vulvae. See etymology) is the external genital organs of the female mammal."
"In slipshod colloquial speech, the term vagina is often wrongly used to refer to the female genitals generally. The vagina is a specific internal structure, whereas the vulva is the whole exterior genitalia"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulva

[uppityperson]

23. Think of the difference between a parent's peck and lover's french kiss

[pnwmom]

34. The agent touched her crotch through her clothing.

That doesn't mean penetration.

[redirish28]

37. It should not matter if clothing is involved. It is still being touched

in an inappropriate manner.


If a child was touched thru clothing on that part of the body adults would go nuts.

[uppityperson]

38. We aren't saying it doesn't matter as it does. Just that it isn't penetration

Get irate at what happened, but there is no need to exaggerate being touched to being penetrated.

[redirish28]

42. and what I'm saying is some people would consider it pentiration though not

in the traditional sense. It is still violation of a private area.

[uppityperson]

48. What was "penetrated"? What was pierced or passed through?

It is a violation of a private area, but is NOT penetrating since nothing was penetrated. Not in "the traditional sense", not in any sense.

It CAN and is a violation, just not a penetration. If someone considers it a "penetration", they are wrong. If they consider it a violation, they are right.

[LisaL]

40. I am really curious since when we decided that it is acceptable

for complete strangers to touch our crotches in public?

[redirish28]

43. Exactly. First of all when is it acceptable and why does it need to be done.

[uppityperson]

49. Who is saying that? all we are saying is it wasn't "penetration".

Of course it is not acceptable except in very limited cases. That's not what this subthread is about.

[nadinbrzezinski]

45. WOW you are THAT AFRAID that doing something

that I, as an EMT, could NOT do is OK?

JESUS!

We are fucked as a country!

[malaise]

51. Don't fucking touch me

Period.

[enough]

5. Training for unconditional obedience. (nt)

[pnwmom]

6. All these touches occurred through clothing, not bare skin,

as her description implies.

The new pat-downs are certainly more intrusive than before, but this woman's account is overblown, IMHO.

[Brickbat]

9. There are rape and assault survivors who have issues about body integrity, and this can be

disruptive to them.

[pnwmom]

13. That makes sense. And the screener was at fault for not informing

her properly about what was going to happen.

[GiordanoBruno]

26. And you're saying

"informed sexual assault" is not sexual assault.

[pnwmom]

35. Legally, it is not sexual assault because the person

has the option to say no, don't touch me there. I'd rather go home now, please.

[LisaL]

39. According to her she was not informed of what TSA agent

was going to do.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. You surely missed the story from San Diego

[uppityperson]

52. which story? And, by the way, I'm not saying this is right

just that rubbing a hand over clothing is not "penetration". And that her labia got palpated, not her vagina.

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. He tried to leave, in fact left

he is about to be fined upwards of 10,000 for leaving.

And I am not saying that it fits the definition of penetration from a medical point of view, but you know very well that an EMT would get into all kinds of trouble over this. And I might add, with good reason. Only when catching babies could you get that close, as it were.

By the way google Tyner... name of "don't touch my junk" guy.

[Matariki]

50. $11,000 says you can't

just say no, just go home.

[dana_b]

14. thank you

that is an excellent point. And from this woman's recall, the TSA agent did not inform her about touching her backside and other sensitive areas. I don't want to fly now because I don't know if I could take that.

[csziggy]

28. Yeah, I hate when people STAND close to me

Having a complete stranger touch me all over is not something I will ever be comfortable with, even through my clothes. I will not be flying any time in the near future - or ever if this does not change.

[nashville_brook]

18. ugh.

[JackintheGreen]

21. Still could be frottage. n/t

[ProgressiveProfessor]

8. Damn...just damn

Read the fully story at the link

[Matariki]

11. I'm very glad she phoned her lawyer immediately. And is filing a sexual assault suit.

http://www.boingboing.net/2010/11/17/sexually-assaulted-b.html#comments

[onecent]

12. This is OUTRAGEOUS! I am a senior citizen and am

flying the day before Thanksgiving via Atlanta to Albany, Ga...and I will refuse a scanner as I believe that too much radiation is dangerous.

I'm not afraid of a patdown...there's nothin that would thrill them OR ME...but I will be damned if they are going under my damn clothes.!!!

[pnwmom]

15. They didn't go under her clothes, except for right at the waistband.

She just described it as if they did.

[ZombieHorde]

22. "except for right at the waistband"

Where is the limit? How far is too far?

[pnwmom]

32. At the waistband. Not past the waistband. n/t

[leftstreet]

17. Only in America. Touch our nutz and we're suddenly concerned about civil liberties!

Thousands and thousands of people suffer indignities on a daily basis in US prisons, nursing homes, mental facilities, immigration centers, etc

But let....oh nevermind

[lunatica]

27. You think that makes it OK?

This is one of the strangest things I've ever read. It's like you're saying it's OK because it happens to others. You know I took care of my mother for years, and because she was incontinent I had to clean her two or three times a day. I wasn't probing and I wasn't a stranger in an airport feeling to see if she had some explosives hidden in her vagina. How in the world do you equate the two?

[leftstreet]

29. Knock it off. I never said it was "ok"

please

:eyes:

[lunatica]

31. OK,I believe you. But it sounded like you were saying it.

[Rebubula]

33. Really...

...that is what you got from that?

Reading Comprehension, people. Not knee-jerk responses from skimming...

[lunatica]

36. Honing up on your writing skills help too you know

Do we really need to brawl about this? I already said I believe you. What more do you want?

[lunatica]

24. I. WILL. NEVER. FLY. ON. TSA.

Yes. I was screaming.

[uppityperson]

25. TSA doesn't fly. TransSiberianAirline?

TrueSuburbanAir?

[cwydro]

41. I'm an airline employee and

they are doing this to us AT WORK! Imagine going through that when you come into work.

No one has touched my vulva, but the "patdown" does involve hands going right up the inside of your thighs and around your breasts. A well endowed woman would definitely be giving the TSA worker a handful.

This has gone too far.

Does no one remember the stupid underwear bomber was on the DO NOT FLY list??? Why don't they do their freaking jobs and quit groping the flying public????

[dana_b]

44. yes! excellent point!

They have some a**holes making these decisions and buying up these stupid scanners to make some crappy corporation very rich. If we don't use them, get groped!!

I used to be a flight attendant and can't imagine what it must be like for you all every time you come to work. I probably would have quit. That just goes too damn far.

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. Cui Bono, or that they wanted to deploy these things

before this, oh back during the Bush administration... and they got push-back.

The Christmas bomber was used as an excuse, and the gear would not have found him either.