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Wed Nov-17-10 06:02 PM Original message |
Obama Admin. Issues New Rules Empowering Hospital Patients To Choose Visitors (Same Sex Partners...) |
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
1. kick |
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gratuitous
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
2. That's it, the terrorists have won |
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ThomCat
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
3. Can anyone find any teeth in here? If a hospital breaks this rule, So What? |
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BzaDem
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. If a hospital wishes to be paid by Medicare, it needs to follow the rules. Obama is using the power |
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Thu Nov-18-10 01:14 AM Response to Reply #4 |
25. And what exactly would be the process of such a dispute? |
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bigtree
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Thu Nov-18-10 02:14 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. hospitals have grievance processes - start with the administrator |
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ThomCat
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Thu Nov-18-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Yes, but hosptals that are deliberately denying LGBT visitors |
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bigtree
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Thu Nov-18-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. the hospitals ignore this regulation at risk of losing funding |
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laughingliberal
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Thu Nov-18-10 02:49 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Find out if the facility has a patient relations department of ombudsman and start there. |
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ThomCat
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Thu Nov-18-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. I think the idea that any hospital will lose their medicare because |
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bigtree
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Thu Nov-18-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. I think you can apply that reasoning to any rule or law established by the government |
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Thu Nov-18-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #38 |
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Thu Nov-18-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #39 |
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ThomCat
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Thu Nov-18-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Now you're calling our outrage manufactured? |
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bigtree
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Thu Nov-18-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. no, no, no, no, and no, |
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ThomCat
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Thu Nov-18-10 04:26 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Anyone who depends on your advice is a fool. |
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bigtree
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Thu Nov-18-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. It's not foolish to suggest that you may have to fight to get hospitals to comply |
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ThomCat
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Thu Nov-18-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. "Fight for your rights, damnit." |
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bigtree
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Thu Nov-18-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. I meant 'at the hospital' at the time of the refusal |
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ThomCat
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Fri Nov-19-10 05:51 AM Response to Reply #46 |
62. Of COURSE you meant that we should fight for our rights in the hospital |
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bigtree
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Fri Nov-19-10 03:07 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. yeah I do. I don't think you can find ONE advocacy group that complains |
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ThomCat
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Sat Nov-20-10 02:12 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Protest groups, advocatcy groups, every damned civil rights group |
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Ghost in the Machine
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Sat Nov-20-10 02:54 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Yes, of course you should do your own fighting... if you won't stand up for yourself,... |
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laughingliberal
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Thu Nov-18-10 07:59 PM Response to Reply #37 |
54. Usually takes repeated offenses to lose their Medicare certification but, trust me, they have... |
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ThomCat
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Fri Nov-19-10 05:20 AM Response to Reply #54 |
60. Ah, infinite ways... |
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bigtree
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. The rule applies to Hospitals receiving federal dollars through Medicare and Medicaid |
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laughingliberal
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Thu Nov-18-10 02:34 AM Response to Reply #3 |
29. Hospitals violate CoP's at their peril. nt |
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leftstreet
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
6. But if they could legally marry, these rules wouldn't be necessary, right? |
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bigtree
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. right, for same-sex partners |
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leftstreet
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. ah |
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bigtree
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. absolutely |
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Forkboy
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Wed Nov-17-10 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
10. K&R |
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Bluenorthwest
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Wed Nov-17-10 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
11. This law forbids any punishment for those who break the law |
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FreeState
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Wed Nov-17-10 07:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. There is also a huge loop hole in the rule |
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bigtree
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Wed Nov-17-10 07:25 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. the rule allows a representative to choose visitors |
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TriMera
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Wed Nov-17-10 07:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. The representative, by default, is usually the "next of kin". |
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bettyellen
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Wed Nov-17-10 07:54 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. but that's something all adults should think about, if they don;t like their next o kin's judgement |
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bigtree
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Wed Nov-17-10 08:58 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. kick |
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readmoreoften
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Thu Nov-18-10 01:16 AM Response to Reply #19 |
26. How does "thinking about it" change anything? |
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bigtree
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Thu Nov-18-10 02:31 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. this law doesn't require anyone to be married to gain visitation rights |
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bettyellen
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Thu Nov-18-10 08:36 AM Response to Reply #26 |
32. think about and get a health care proxy and living will and file them properly |
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bigtree
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Thu Nov-18-10 05:25 PM Response to Reply #32 |
49. There are two things you can do right now: |
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bettyellen
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Fri Nov-19-10 12:05 AM Response to Reply #49 |
59. thank you bigtree, I am bookmarking those links |
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csziggy
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Wed Nov-17-10 07:31 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. This is one reason everyone should name a Health Care Advocate |
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bigtree
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Wed Nov-17-10 07:49 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. exactly |
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TriMera
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Wed Nov-17-10 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
16. k & r. n/t |
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pinboy3niner
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Wed Nov-17-10 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
17. K&R |
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MineralMan
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Wed Nov-17-10 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
20. You go, Mr. President! |
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Nye Bevan
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Wed Nov-17-10 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
22. Obama issues new rules allowing white people and black people to visit each other in hospital |
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bigtree
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Wed Nov-17-10 09:55 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I get that |
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bigtree
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Wed Nov-17-10 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
24. kick |
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hfojvt
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Thu Nov-18-10 04:03 AM Response to Original message |
31. whoops, didn't see this when I posted |
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mmonk
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Thu Nov-18-10 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
33. Very good and long overdue. |
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Safetykitten
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Thu Nov-18-10 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
35. Wonderfull news from our President |
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JNelson6563
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Thu Nov-18-10 05:42 PM Response to Reply #35 |
50. Indeed! |
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Solly Mack
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Thu Nov-18-10 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
36. K&R |
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bigtree
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Thu Nov-18-10 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
48. Compliance |
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indimuse
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Thu Nov-18-10 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
51. KNR! n/t |
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DesertFlower
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Thu Nov-18-10 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
52. good. nt |
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liberation
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Thu Nov-18-10 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
53. Good! |
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InvisibleTouch
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Thu Nov-18-10 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
55. Good! I hope the rule also lets patients choose... |
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bigtree
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Thu Nov-18-10 09:38 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. it does also give the patient or designee the right to deny visitors |
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Omaha Steve
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Thu Nov-18-10 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
57. It is past the 24 hour mark or I would have given an R |
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Politicub
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Thu Nov-18-10 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
58. Great news! |
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lightningandsnow
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Fri Nov-19-10 05:30 AM Response to Original message |
61. I'm glad this not only includes same-sex partners, but anyone who the patient wishes to have there. |
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