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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 09:30 PM
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If govt could create private industry jobs for less than $7,143 each, should it?
It already did. At least 1.4 million of them.


Source: Detroit News

Last Updated: November 17. 2010 4:37PM
Report: Auto bailout saved more than 1.4 million jobs
Christine Tierney / The Detroit News


The government's bailout program for General Motors, Chrysler and other automotive firms saved more than 1.4 million jobs, according to a study by the Ann Arbor-based Center for Automotive Research.

Most of the jobs — 1.14 million — were saved in 2009, during the low-point of the industry's severe downturn. But another 314,400 were saved in 2010, the Center said Wednesday.

"The government intervention prevented additional personal income losses totaling $71.9 billion for 2009 and $24.6 billion for 2010," the center said in a statement.

"The net impact to the federal government—in terms of changes in transfer payments, social security receipts and personal income taxes—was $21.6 billion in 2009 and $7 billion in 2010."

Read more: http://www.detnews.com/article/20101117/AUTO01/11170428...



And the auto industry bailout is gonna end up costing the taxpayers less than $10 Billion.


Source: Detroit Free Press

Posted: 5:36 p.m. Nov. 15, 2010
Rattner: Taxpayers' loss from auto bailouts likely to be less than $10B
By GREG GARDNER
Free Press Business Writer

Taxpayers’ potential loss on the bailouts of General Motors and Chrysler will be less than $10 billion after GM’s initial public offering, the former head of President Barack Obama’s auto task force said today.

He also said GM’s initial public offering will be priced above the $26 to $29 range set forth in a Securities and Exchange Commission Nov. 3. The Free Press previously reported that GM is expected to raise its targeted price range early this week by no more than a few dollars.

“I’ve been saying for a while that I thought the government’s exposure in the auto bailout was in the $10 to $20 billion range,” Steven Rattner said today, speaking to the Automotive Press Association. But after the GM IPO, which is currently slated for Thursday, “I think this exposure is in the single digit billion range, and arguably potentially better.”

Altogether, the U.S. Treasury Department has invested $82 billion to restructure GM and Chrysler. Investment banks Morgan Stanley and J.P. Morgan will price the first 365 million GM shares sometime Wednesday and the shares will trade Thursday on the New York Stock Exchange.

Read more: http://www.freep.com/article/20101115/BUSINESS01/101115046/Rattner-Taxpayers--loss-from-auto-bailouts-likely-to-be-less-than-10B
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AlabamaLibrul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 09:33 PM
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1. "It already did [create]." From the article: "Most of the jobs - 1.14 million - were saved in 2009"
Something here doesn't compute.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 09:40 PM
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2. 1.1 million (in 2009) + .3 million (in 2010) = 1.4 million
adds up just fine
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AlabamaLibrul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 09:46 PM
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4. My point is that saving jobs does nothing for those who actually don't have a job.
No jobs were created.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 11:45 PM
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6. You are correct. No jobs were created.
Edited on Wed Nov-17-10 11:47 PM by Bozita
My apologies.

Anybody got the numbers for what it took to save a single bankster?
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AlabamaLibrul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 11:53 PM
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8. Depends on which bankster. But the bonuses total on Wall Street was $70 billion in '08.
Or about one tenth of TARP.

Meanwhile, the GM workers were by all accounts taking massive pay cuts and giving concessions to stay on through GM's bailout.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 09:40 PM
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3. "another 314,400 were saved in 2010" for a total of 1,454,400
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billlll Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 10:32 PM
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5. no GM needed... Co-Op and WPA better jobs
When GM sends the jobs to India ...then... any GM jobs still here get automated or beaten down to dollar a day...

Then CoOp and WPA jobs will start to be seen as they are

The only GOOD jobs.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 11:49 PM
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7. And its all supposition that ignores the awful price those "saved" workers paid,
not to mention the tens of millions that have already fallen just so some parasites can get even richer.

It's hard work blowing Wall Street while simultaneously destroying a nation.


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