What is wrong with TSA... systems analysis

[nadinbrzezinski]

No this is not about TSA... it is about corruption at the highest levels of government. It is also about the silly belief, very American belief, that what humans can do, machines can do better... never mind this bytes us in the ass every so-often.

It is more than just corruption though. Starting with OKC bombing we have seen an increasing pattern in the US, where the fear culture has been used to force Americans to accept increasingly intrusive measures. In political science what you and I are experiencing is the closing of the American Society. The land of the free and the brave has been transformed into the land of the cowed and the chickens, willing to accept anything in order to FEEL safe.

So why is it that very powerful people, at the highest levels, and not just one party... are well on the way to make a few dystopias seem quaint.

1984, any novel by Aldous Huxley, the office of Pre-Crime of Phillip K Dick... are no longer really fiction, as elements of all these dystopias are present in your everyday life.

My theory is that they know the Empire is coming down... and we are a nuclear power, in case anybody has missed that. So this is an attempt to keep this house of cards from splitting into successor states all of them with nukes.

It is not that these people are evil... (ok I will make an exception for Rummy, and of course Chenney... they do qualify as truly evil... and Wolfowitz)... but it is time to ask... WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?

Oh and one more thing... I also suspect, based on very personal experience, that this crap is more easily sold the lower the population density is. Why Pens as bombs sold very well in 2002 in some places while big cities mostly laughed at this. And the fear is directly proportional to just how less risk you actually face from day to day.

Now it is time for the chickens to decide... do you want a fully closed society, with internal borders... no this is not that crazy anymore... or do you stand up and quite frankly be an adult about it and assume the VERY SMALL risk that exists of being in the same plane as a terrarit?

Oh and I am not advocating for no security... in fact I want security, not theater. To some of you it is expensive... indeed... but it does not line the pockets of corporations. See what I said about corruption at the highest of levels. TSA is but a symptom of what is going on... not the end result. IN fact. corruption at TSA is minimal compared to other sectors of the economy... see DOD and Xe for example. And even that is just the tip of an iceberg.

Now here is also a personal observation.

In Mexico some folks have thrown hand grenades at groups of civilians. Over 50K have died in a real threat environment... yet, nobody is groping you when you go into the market or fly... think why?

Now 3K people died on 9.11, and we have gone completely and certifiably NUTS...

[Turbineguy]

1. There's money to be made

and power to be gained from fear.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. The question still stands

why the efforts to create a police state?

this is inverted Totalitarism.

[Turbineguy]

7. Maybe it's just human behavior

the movement of the herd rather than any specific centralized effort.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. History tells us otherwise

nations are closed for a purpose, not just because.

[baldguy]

3. The solutions they provide for the problems they're presented with don't solve those problems.

They create new ones instead.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. So what is the end goal?

Trust me, security is not the goal here.

[baldguy]

11. Two reasons:

A) Profit, and B) Maintain an adequate level of fear in the target population.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. That is the partial answer

Though a large component.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

5. Get used to it, you traitor. Don't you know they hate us

for are freedoms? The whole point is to take away enough of them, so they won't hate us anymore.

You know, if you keep asking questions like "Why," well, we have plenty of Black SUVs ready to safeguard the area.

And them warrant things that one of those amendments mention? Forget it. You see, HSA and TSA are going green, and to save trees, they won't seek warrants anymore. It is a waste of paper anyway. So if you think about it, warrantless surveillance helps the environment!

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Big brother approved for the five minutes of hate

(and they even tried that one)

:hi:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

10. that 5 minutes has lasted for 7 years.

[RKP5637]

9. IMO it all revolves around power, control and money combined with a

concern over the stability of keeping the populace under wraps similar to what you were saying about the empire.

I've never felt the polarization in this country so great, hence, various entities want to get the elements of control in place and fear greases the skids toward policed control at many levels. And eventually fear of the state will keep the populace under control.

Additionally IMO there is an agenda afloat to slash the wages of most on a par with the lowest common denominator of global wages. Then, the corporatization will be complete with serf wages at home and a police state to keep them in line and subjugated to state authority.

No, I don't think all are evil in the least, they are just sliding down a slippery slope together. And, I still think many Americans are asleep at the wheel in many cases nonchalantly going along with the flow.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Yes, the question is how to stop this?

This little thing has united freezers and Du'ers...showing that it is still possible.

[soryang]

14. Taking over airports and restricting travel are essential police

...measures in a centralized despotic state. Some truck scales are beginning to mobilize some sort of joint anti terror fusion teams. They use various scanner techniques on the truck. Federal agencies are intruding on state functions. The delays are outrageous and costly.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Yep, closing American Society

and people are unable to connect dots...