As Robert Reich just said on KO, who do the democrats stand with in 2012? n/t

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[DJ13]

1. Those who fight rampant corporatism

Who that is depends on what they do in the mean time.

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5. As corporatism continues, there are only going to be so many

chances to get it under control. Somehow IMO a far better job needs to be done than to date. A lot of people are sure getting swept under the rug in this country. And the MSM does a miserable job of coverage on the extent of the damage to people. I think we're bordering on being a fascist oligarchy, maybe we've already crossed the line.

[DJ13]

8. I agree

Nice summation.

:thumbsup:

[vi5]

2. They'll stand with that group of people over there....

....unless that's in any way controversial. In which case they'll stand with that other group over there (but psssst....don't be mad first group. It's nothing personal...still vote for us).

And then there may be this other group who they'll stand with for a little while too, unless it makes Republicans mad in which case they'll have to distance themselves from them.

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4. Yeah, probably. It seems to be there is a really growing number of people

that really feel disenfranchised. If clever, the D's would figure out a way to capture all of the growing discontent in the country. Way back, the D's knew how to do this, but anymore ... One common denominator is everyone in this country is not a zillionaire, somehow, common ground needs to bridge the disenfranchised.

2012 is going to be a really major turning point in this country and I sure hope the D's have their SH** together. The messaging at minimal has to be better than it is now for minimal starters.

[Better Believe It]

6. I don't want them to be "clever" or slick. I want them to be honest and represent working people,

not the rich.

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7. Yep, that would be an excellent common theme! n/t

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3. Recommend

[mzmolly]

9. Regarding?

Democrats just tried to extend unemployment benefits. I think it's clear who 'we' stand with.

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11. It was a question he asked to lead into a discussion of who the D's would find,

basically, as their allies in 2012 and hence who they would stand with for support.

[mzmolly]

12. Ah

thanks. :hi:

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13. Yep

:hi:

[cascadiance]

10. We need a ticket that makes attacking corporatism a priority...

If its a third party, then perhaps part of the ticket could be progressive and the other a tad more conservative as long as BOTH are campaigning for the middle class and against corporate takeover of America. Obviously you don't want to appeal to the racist elements of the right, but if you perhaps bend a little on issues like gun ownership, etc. you could get enough independents on board to get some significant change happening. I think a joint party like that that takes on corporate interests would be something that a majority of Americans is waiting for, whether the corporate media has allowed them to be aware of that or not.

I don't think this ticket would work for probably a number of reasons, but bend it a bit with some different people and perhaps something like it would...

Bernie Sanders / Jessie Ventura

If you could find a way to have a meeting that would search for REAL common ground solutions amongst the sane on both sides (if there are any sane left on the conservative side hopefully), then perhaps a movement to fix things might work.

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14. Yep, agree, I think there are many people that have common core interests if

all are willing to bend some L and R. Your mentioning of Bernie Sanders / Jessie Ventura is interesting because I always find something interesting both of these guys say. I'm hoping more and more Americans are waking up that this is more than L vs. R. I can't find the article now, but at one time I had one on it's not L vs. R, but L and R working people against corporatism.