Cheney and Bush really believe they can reinvent history

[malaise]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/19/opinion/l19cheney.html
<snip>
According to Dick Cheney, “History is beginning to come around” in its assessment of the Bush-Cheney administration. Clearly, Mr. Cheney is confusing pronouncements broadcast on Fox News and elsewhere with the work of serious historians.

Of course, if Mr. Cheney had his way, historians would have precious little source material with which to work. As The Times reported in 2009 (“Cheney Is Linked to Concealment of C.I.A. Project,” front page, July 12), the former vice president “was the Bush administration’s most vehement defender of the secrecy of government activities.”

Whether it was not keeping Congress informed on important intelligence matters, not divulging the identities of advisers to his energy task force or not disclosing how the vice president’s office used its power to classify secret information, Mr. Cheney and his lawyers consistently used every means at their disposal to keep others in the dark.

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They are not going to get away with it - great letter.

[formercia]

1. Bush Gang have been creating their own reality all along.

They just change it as they go to suit the scenario. Orwell was a visionary.

[malaise]

4. I was trying to remember a precise quote by one of them

literally saying words to that effect.

[pinboy3niner]

5. Karl Rove: we create our own reality

Reality-based community

<snip>
The source of the term is a quotation in an October 17, 2004, The New York Times Magazine article by writer Ron Suskind, quoting an unnamed aide to George W. Bush (later attributed to Karl Rove<1>):

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."<2>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community

[malaise]

8. Thanks a lot

Let me save that now.

[formercia]

13. Me too.

Nothing like a little reality to start the day.

[Harry Monroe]

19. This scares the shit out of me to no end!!

Especially after reading George Orwell's "1984" again! A very prophetic book!!

[malaise]

20. It scared me then and it scares me

now. This is why they spent all those millions - they do not intend to be stopped. Only we the people of planet earth can unite and stop this madness.

[Turbineguy]

2. They were probably encouraged

by the outcome of the 2008 elections. It's obvious that a significant portion of Americans are out of touch with reality.

[Mira]

3. Maybe not re-invent it

but the county is drowning it out in silence.
I will never give up on insisting these thugs must be held accountable, and I may die waiting for it..

[KharmaTrain]

6. Note How Booooshie Says...

"his role in history will be judged long after he's dead". Now I won't comment on when I wish for that day to be, but shows how even he doesn't believe that he'll ever be able to bullshit everyone into buying his lies now and hope that the right wing stenographers in his beloved corporate media will do the job for him. And looks like they're sure trying...

:hi:

[malaise]

9. 100% correct

:hi:

[Canuckistanian]

7. Reinvent history? No, 2000 was "Year Zero" for them

These are the people Santayana warned us about when he said "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

[Hannah Bell]

11. ooh. that has bad connotations. didn't the khymer rouge use that term too?

[Canuckistanian]

24. That was intentional. n/t

[Hannah Bell]

25. my misinterpretation, then.

[malaise]

12. No No No

They were creating their own reality - torture is not torture even though it's been torture for eons.

[Skidmore]

10. Have you ever watched Mr Wuhl's "Assume the Position?"

They will meet with some success at this. They are creating legend, which will be printed and at some point will become part of the nation's political and cultural memory. This generation will die out and with it will die the capacity to contradict. So, we need to be loud too and repeat often our recollections.

[BrklynLiberal]

14. With the help of the media, they are succeeding...

[blindpig]

15. Why not?

Most of what we have been taught about history has been skewed by the lens of ruling class perception. Johnny come latelys...

Of course, it all depends upon who writes those books.

[elehhhhna]

16. too late, everyone who'd ALIVE knows who they really are.

'tho if they'd like to pretend they're Van Gogh, who was unappreciated until his death, let them delude themselves.

[zbdent]

17. why not? I mean, today's "liberally biased media" (with plenty of paid political ads

for Republicans masquerading as "reality shows"), they know that they can get away with the attention span of ...






what was I saying?

[mod mom]

18. Bush's have been doing it for generations. Think FDR Coup

How many of us learned about this in school:

1934: The Plot Against America
DEPARTMENT No Comment
BY Scott Horton
PUBLISHED July 28, 2007
I’m back from the land of heather and thistles, not to mention wee drams and lukewarm ale, but on my way out a friend at the BBC alerted me to this, a not-to-miss program on the BBC this morning, accessible over the next several days by internet. It’s the story of the Plot Against America. I don’t mean the Philip Roth novel, nor even the Sinclair Lewis book, It Can’t Happen Here, but rather the historical events upon which these two works of fiction were based.

In November 1934, federal investigators uncovered an amazing plot involving some two dozen senior businessmen, a good many of them Wall Street financiers, to topple the government of the United States and install a fascist dictatorship. Roth’s novel is developed from several strands of this factual account; he assumed the plot is actually carried out, whereas in fact an alert FDR shut it down but stopped short of retaliatory measures against the plotters. A key element of the plot involved a retired prominent general who was to have raised a private army of 500,000 men from unemployed veterans and who blew the whistle when he learned more of what the plot entailed. The plot was heavily funded and well developed and had strong links with fascist forces abroad. A story in the New York Times and several other newspapers reported on it, and a special Congressional committee was created to conduct an investigation. The records of this committee were scrubbed and sealed away in the National Archives, where they have only recently been made available.

The Congressional committee kept the names of many of the participants under wraps and no criminal action was ever brought against them. But a few names have leaked out. And one is Prescott Bush, the grandfather of the incumbent president. Prescott Bush was of course deep into the business of the Hamburg-America Lines, and had tight relations throughout this period with the new Government that had come to power in Germany a year earlier under Chancellor Aldoph Hitler. It appears that Bush was to have formed a key liaison for the group with the new German government.

Prescott Bush, of course, went on to service as a U.S. Senator from Connecticut, and his son, George H.W. Bush emerged from World War II as a hero.

-snip

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/07/hbc-90000651



The Whitehouse Coup
Monday 23 July 2007



The coup was aimed at toppling President Franklin D Roosevelt with the help of half-a-million war veterans. The plotters, who were alleged to involve some of the most famous families in America, (owners of Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea, Maxwell Hse & George Bush’s Grandfather, Prescott) believed that their country should adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression.

Mike Thomson investigates why so little is known about this biggest ever peacetime threat to American democracy.




http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml


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[malaise]

21. They were stopped then

and hopefully they'll be stopped again. Sadly unless people are punished for high crimes including treason, they will become more and more brazen.

[mod mom]

23. The coup may have been prevented but they continued to cause havoc in this country ever since.

:mad:

[The Backlash Cometh]

22. Let's seem them try to fly out of this country to see if their reinvention sells overseas.

[Octafish]

26. Zelikow

Philip D. Zelikow is BFEE's paid history righter:

Is Fix in at 9/11 Commission?

Something else he righted:

What JFK Really Said