Hey, Poppy! I got your medal right here!

[Octafish]

George Herbert Walker Bush, Director of Central Intelligence (left), and James Jesus Angleton,
Associate Deputy Director of Operations for Counter-Intelligence (right), of the Central Intelligence Agency.

Not to plop on your parade or anything...

George Bush Takes Charge:

The Uses of ‘Counter-Terrorism”

By Christopher Simpson
Covert Action Quarterly
Fall 1996

A paper trail of declassified documents from the Reagan‑Bush era yields valuable information on how counter‑terrorism provided a powerful mechanism for solidifying Bush's power base and launching a broad range of national security initiatives. During the Reagan years, George Bush used "crisis management" and "counter‑terrorism" as vehicles for running key parts of the clandestine side of the US government.

Bush proved especially adept at plausible denial. Some measure of his skill in avoiding responsibility can be taken from the fact that even after the Iran‑Contra affair blew the Reagan administration apart, Bush went on to become the "foreign policy president," while CIA Director William Casey, by then conveniently dead, took most of the blame for a number of covert foreign policy debacles that Bush had set in motion.

The trail of National Security Decision Directives (NSDDS) left by the Reagan administration begins to tell the story. True, much remains classified, and still more was never committed to paper in the first place. Even so, the main picture is clear: As vice president, George Bush was at the center of secret wars, political murders, and America's convoluted oil politics in the Middle East.

The Reagan‑era National Security Council (NSC) used NSDDs to formulate high‑level policy on political and military matters. The directives ranged from presidential orders for testing nuclear weapons to negotiating strategies for US representatives at various international summits. Reagan and the NSC also used NSDDs to settle conflicts among security agencies over bureaucratic turf and lines of command. It is through that prism that we see the first glimmers of Vice President Bush's role in clandestine operations during the 1980s.

CONTINUED...

The link to the original article is kaput. Ask and I'll post more. Online, there' more on the subject from Professor Simpson here:

http://books.google.com/books?id=YZqRyj_QXf8C&pg=PA75&lpg=PA75&dq=christopher-simpson+george-bush+counter-terrorism&source=bl&ots=8klu2IssM2&sig=41S4OSB0gYk3Xt19qtxNjfQWJ5I&hl=en&ei=JA_nTN6ULMKinAel0sS9DQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=christopher-simpson%20george-bush%20counter-terrorism&f=false

Have a nice day.

[ProudDad]

1. Poppy's as dirty as they come all right! (n/t)

[Octafish]

6. More on how Poppy ran things for Pruneface:

From Simpson:

NSDD 3 CRISIS MANAGEMENT

(CONFIDENTIAL, SANITIZED VERSION), DEC. 14, 1981

When the Reagan administration began, Secretary of State Alexander Haig tried to write a large "crisis management role for himself into draft presidential orders. Bush and NSC Adviser Richard Allen blocked the maneuver.

After Reagan was wounded in an assassination attempt in early 1981, Bush engineered NSC approval for an interagency crisis management committee that reported to him. The working assumption was that Reagan would leave the difficult decisions to Bush and the NSC, which would assume de facto presidential powers during a crisis, including the authority to wage war or to declare martial law.

Haig, who was on the NSC, later wrote that he first learned of the vice president's move from a newspaper report.

The Crisis Management Group was the first of a series of names for a senior deputies' committee through which the vice president handled crisis management, covert operations, and particularly sensitive foreign policy initiatives. Later names for substantially the same committee included the Special Situations Group, Crisis Pre‑Planning Group, Planning and Coordinating Group, and the Policy Review Group.

CONTINUED...

Hate to pick on the guy, but he has proven himself to be less than

[gratuitous]

2. Didn't Angleton drive himself mad?

If memory serves, Angleton was the CIA's top counterintelligence guy, the person who sifted through all the reports to try to guess what the Soviets were planning and develop schemes to try to stop them. He'd sit for hours by himself in a darkened room, poring over practically everything available, and connecting the dots, real and imagined. He finally went insane, as his mind went down a few too many rabbit holes.

[formercia]

9. He connected the dots and finally discovered the Truth

It was just too much for him to bear.

[Octafish]

10. He got perhaps a little bit over the bend there maybe yes no.

Speaking of NAZIs, cough, I mean conservatives...

Allen Dulles, the NAZIs, and the CIA

Supreme Court Justice Arthur Goldberg once stated that "The Dulles brothers were traitors." Some historians believe that Allen Dulles became head of the newly formed CIA in large part to cover up his treasonous behavior and that of his clients. -- Christian Dewar, Making a Killing

Just before his death, James Jesus Angleton, the legendary chief of counterintelligence at the Central Intelligence Agency, was a bitter man. He felt betrayed by the people he had worked for all his life. In the end, he had come to realize that they were never really interested in American ideals of "freedom" and "democracy." They really only wanted "absolute power."

Angleton told author Joseph Trento that the reason he had gotten the counterintelligence job in the first place was by agreeing not to submit "sixty of Allen Dulles' closest friends" to a polygraph test concerning their business deals with the Nazis. In his end-of-life despair, Angleton assumed that he would see all his old companions again "in hell." -- Michael Hasty, Paranoid Shift

The study of the past is beset by uncertainty. Experts on ancient inscriptions can easily get into arguments over whether or not two prominent people with the same name were actually a single individual. The student of modern history doesn't normally run into such problems because our lives today are so well documented. But suppose that most present-day records were to be lost in the course of time, leaving only a few semi-mythic narratives. In that case, future historians might well conclude that the only way to make sense of the twentieth century was by assuming that there were actually two Allen Dulleses.

One Allen Dulles, they would tell us, was the head of a powerful group of covert agents who served the great American Republic at mid-century. The other, who lived and worked slightly earlier, had been dedicated to promoting the interests of the Nazi Reich, which was the sworn enemy of the Americans. Despite the coincidence of names, there could obviously have been no connection between them.

We, with our documentation intact, have no choice but to accept that these two Allen Dulleses were one and the same. But the price of our superior knowledge is that for us the twentieth century threatens to make no sense at all.

How do we begin to untangle this puzzle? Perhaps it would help if we went back to the start.

Allen Welsh Dulles was born to privilege and a tradition of public service. He was the grandson of one secretary of state and the nephew of another. But by the time he graduated from Princeton in 1914, the robber baron era of American history was coming to an an end, ushered out by the Sherman Anti-Trust Act -- which had been used in 1911 to break up Standard Oil -- and by the institution of the progressive income tax in 1913. The ruling elite was starting to view government less as their own private preserve and more as an unwanted intrusion on their ability to conduct business as usual. That shift of loyalties in itself may account for many of the paradoxical aspects of Dulles's career.

CONTINUED...

http://www.enter.net/~torve/trogholm/secret/rightroots/dulles.html

Just another bit of the nation's "forgotten" history. Would more people -- including DUers -- knew.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

16. "Would that more people knew..."

Would that more people face up to the truth and stand against these heathens.

As always, thanks for keeping it forefront.

[Octafish]

42. Lies Of Our Times

The people who could best tell this story are not allowed anywhere near a TV or radio station. Only about half the nation reads a book each year. So, magazines were critically important for getting the word out. The magazine "Lies Of Our Times" took the liars at The New York Times and Corporate McPravda to task -- back in the late 80s and early 90s.

Have I shown you this before, HCE SuiGeneris? It's an online archive: Lies Of Our Times. They're in PDF form. IMSO, they should be downloaded for personal records and distributed far and wide.

Back when they were on the newsstand, Newsweek and TIME went out of their way to slam 'em. History shows who was telling the truth and who was standing with whom. And I'm honored to still stand with You, my Friend. Thank you.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

48. I tried to access the page at the link.

However, Firefox is reporting it as a "Reported Attack Page". Your thoughts on this? Any other sources for the .pdf files?

[Octafish]

52. LOOT

Sorry about that, HCE SuiGeneris. I don't get a warning on my PC, running Windows XP and protected by Symantec.

Here's PDFs to every issue of the "Lies Of Our Times: The Magazine to Correct the Record."


LOOT Links

1990

Jan: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1990/Jan1990%20V1%20N1/Jan1990%20V1%20N1.pdf

Feb: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1990/Feb1990%20V1%20N2/Feb1990%20V1%20N2.pdf

March: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1990/Mar1990%20V1%20N3/Mar1990%20V1%20N3.pdf

April: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1990/Apr1990%20V1%20N4/Apr1990%20V1%20N4.pdf

May: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1990/May1990%20V1%20N5/May1990%20V1%20N5.pdf

June: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1990/Jun1990%20V1%20N6/Jun1990%20V1%20N6.pdf

July: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1990/Jul1990%20V1%20N7/Jul1990%20V1%20N7.pdf

Aug: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1990/Aug1990%20V1%20N8/Aug1990%20V1%20N8.pdf

Sept: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1990/Sep1990%20V1%20N9/Sep1990%20V1%20N9.pdf

Oct: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1990/Oct1990%20V1%20N10/Oct1990%20V1%20N10.pdf

Nov: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1990/Nov1990%20V1%20N11/Nov1990%20V1%20N11.pdf

Dec: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1990/Dec1990%20V1%20N12/Dec1990%20V1%20N12.pdf



1991

Jan: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1991/Jan1991%20V2%20N1/Jan1991%20V2%20N1.pdf

Feb: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1991/Feb1991%20V2%20N2/Feb1991%20V2%20N2.pdf

March: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1991/Mar1991%20V2%20N3/Mar1991%20V2%20N3.pdf

April: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1991/Apr%201991%20V2%20N4/Apr%201991%20V2%20N4.pdf

May: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1991/May1991%20V2%20N5/May1991%20V2%20N5.pdf

June: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1991/Jun1991%20V2%20N6/Jun1991%20V2%20N6.pdf

July-Aug: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1991/Jul-Aug1991%20V2%20N7/Jul-Aug1991%20V2%20N7.pdf

Sept: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1991/Sep1991%20V2%20N8/Sep1991%20V2%20N8.pdf

Oct: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1991/October%20V2%20N9/October%20V2%20N9.pdf

Nov: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1991/Nov1991%20V2%20N10/Nov1991%20V2%20N10.pdf

Dec: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1991/Dec1991%20V2%20N12/Dec1991%20V2%20N12.pdf

1992

Jan-Feb: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1992/Jan-%20Feb1992%20V3%20N1/Jan-Feb1992%20V3%20N1.pdf

March: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1992/Mar1992%20V3%20N2/Mar1992%20V3%20N2.pdf

April: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1992/April1992%20V3%20N3/April1992%20V3%20N2.pdf

May: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1992/May1992%20V3%20N4/May1992%20V3%20N4.pdf

June: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1992/Jun1992%20V3%20N5/Jun1992%20V3%20N5.pdf

July-Aug: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1992/Jul-Aug1992%20V3%20N6/Jul-Aug1992%20V3%20N6.pdf

Sep: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1992/Sep1992%20V3%20N7/Sep1992%20V3%20N7.pdf

Oct: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1992/Oct1992%20V3%20N8/Oct1992%20V3%20N8.pdf

Nov: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1992/Nov1992%20V3%20N9/Nov1992%20V3%20N9.pdf

Dec: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1992/Dec1992%20V3%20N10/Dec1992%20V3%20N10.pdf


1993

Jan-Feb: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1993/Jan-Feb1993%20V4%20N1/Jan-Feb1993%20V4%20N1.pdf

March-April: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1993/Apr-Mar1993%20V4%20N2/Mar-Apr1993%20V4%20N2.pdf

May: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1993/May1993%20V4%20N3/May1993%20V4%20N3.pdf

June: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1993/Jun1993%20V4%20N4/Jun1993%20V4%20N4.pdf

July-Aug: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1993/Jul-Aug1993%20V4%20N5/Jul-Aug1993%20V4%20N5.pdf

Sep: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1993/Sep1993%20V4%20N6/Sep1993%20V4%20N6.pdf

Oct: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1993/Oct1993%20V4%20N7/Oct1993%20V4%20N7.pdf

Nov: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1993/Nov1993%20V4%20N8/Nov1993%20V4%20N8.pdf

Dec: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1993/Dec1993%20V4%20N9/Dec1993%20V4%20N9.pdf


1994

Jan-Feb: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1994/Jan-Feb1994%20V5%20N1/Jan-Feb1994%20V5%20N1.pdf

March: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1994/Mar1994%20V5%20N2/Mar1994%20V5%20N2.pdf

April: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1994/April1994%20V5%20N3/April1994%20V5%20N3.pdf

May: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1994/May1994%20V5%20N4/May1994%20V5%20N4.pdf

June: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1994/Jun1994%20V5%20N5/Jun1994%20V5%20N5.pdf

July-Aug: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1994/Jul-Aug1994%20V5%20N6/Jul-Aug1994%20V5%20N6.pdf

Sept-Dec: http://www.liesofourtimes.org/1994/Sep-Dec1994%20V5%20N7/Sep-Dec1994%20V5%20N7.pdf


Everyone has critical information that's worth archiving. Enjoy, my Friend!

[HCE SuiGeneris]

49. Dupe

[TheUnspeakable]

31. Paranoid Shift from 2004

I don't think we're allowed to post links from this site:
(snip)Just before his death, James Jesus Angleton, the legendary chief of counterintelligence at the Central Intelligence Agency, was a bitter man. He felt betrayed by the people he had worked for all his life. In the end, he had come to realize that they were never really interested in American ideals of “freedom” and “democracy.“ They really only wanted “absolute power.”

Angleton told author Joseph Trento that the reason he had gotten the counterintelligence job in the first place was by agreeing not to submit “sixty of Allen Dulles’ closest friends” to a polygraph test concerning their business deals with the Nazis. In his end-of-life despair, Angleton assumed that he would see all his old companions again “in hell.”

Last Paragraph
Nor, finally, is it in any way a “theory” that the one, single name that can be directly linked to the Third Reich, the US military industrial complex, Skull and Bones, Eastern Establishment good ol’ boys, the Illuminati, Big Texas Oil, the Bay of Pigs, the Miami Cubans, the Mafia, the FBI, the JFK assassination, the New World Order, Watergate, the Republican National Committee, Eastern European fascists, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, CIA headquarters, the October Surprise, the Iran/Contra scandal, Inslaw, the Christic Institute, Manuel Noriega, drug-running “freedom fighters” and death squads, Iraqgate, Saddam Hussein, weapons of mass destruction, the blood of innocents, the savings and loan crash, the Bank of Credit and Commerce International, the “Octopus,” the “Enterprise,” the Afghan mujaheddin, the War on Drugs, Mena (Arkansas), Whitewater, Sun Myung Moon, the Carlyle Group, Osama bin Laden and the Saudi royal family, David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, and the presidency and vice-presidency of the United States, is: George Herbert Walker Bush.

“Theory?” To the contrary

[fascisthunter]

3. Thanks for Keeping it Real

scarey

[Octafish]

12. Poppy was there when all the troubles started ... like the Beirut blasts and kidnappings and all...

Poppy's crew has been very, very busy.

From Simpson:

NSDD 30. MANAGING TERRORIST INCIDENTS, APRIL 10, 1982

During the Reagan‑Bush years, "terrorism" was a label that could be applied to tactics of almost any opposition group who would not play by White House rules. By taking on administrative responsibility for dealing with terrorism, Bush extended his administrative turf to include almost every aspect of clandestine security policy.


NSDD 138. PREEMPTIVE STRIKES AGAINST SUSPECTED TERRORISTS,

(DECLASSIFIED FRAGMENT; CLASSIFICATION LEVEL OF ORIGINAL TEXT NOT DISCLOSED), POSSIBLE DATE APRIL 3,1984

0n March 16,1984, Islamic guerrillas kidnapped William Buckley, CIA chief of station in Beirut. One result was presidential authorization of NSDD 138, a de facto US declaration of war against Islamic guerrilla groups in the Middle East and Northern Africa.

The still‑classified portions of the directive authorized establishing secret FBI and CIA paramilitary squads and use of existing Pentagon military units such as the Green Berets and Navy SEALs for conducting what amounted to guerrilla war against guerrillas. It authorized sabotage, killing (though not "assassination"), preemptive and retaliatory raids, deception, and a significantly expanded intelligence collection program aimed at suspected radicals and people regarded as sympathizers. ("Assassination," in CIA parlance, referred to the murder of heads of state and was barred by a presidential order first issued during the Ford administration. Killing suspected guerrillas and lower‑level state ‑officials, in contrast, was regarded as "preemptive self‑defense.") The order placed special stress on campaigns against Iran, Libya, Syria, Cuba, Nicaragua, North Korea, and the USSR.

The NSC has thus far released only a one‑page "extract" of sentences from this original order. Other portions of the directive, however, were made public in the form of a Presidential Message to Congress and associated statements to the media.

CONTINUED...

No wonder Smirko put Poppy's papers on ice, first thing.

[Solly Mack]

4. K&R

[Octafish]

13. These are the characters, cough traitors, who undermined President Carter...

From Simpson:

NSDD 159. MANAGEMENT OF U.S. COVERT OPERATIONS,

(TOP SECRET/VEIL‑SENSITIVE), JAN. 18,1985

The Reagan administration's commitment to significantly expand covert operations had been clear since before the 1980 election. How such operations were actually to be managed from day to day, however, was considerably less certain. The management problem became particularly knotty owing to legal requirements to notify congressional intelligence oversight committees of covert operations, on the one hand, and the tacitly accepted presidential mandate to deceive those same committees concerning sensitive operations such as the Contra war in Nicaragua, on the other.

The solution attempted in NSDD 159 was to establish a small coordinating committee headed by Vice President George Bush through which all information concerning US covert operations was to be funneled. The order also established a category of top secret information known as Veil, to be used exclusively for managing records pertaining to covert operations.<!----><!----> The system was designed to keep circulation of written records to an absolute minimum while at the same time ensuring that the vice president retained the ability to coordinate US covert operations with the administration's overt diplomacy and propaganda.

Only eight copies of NSDD 159 were created. The existence of the vice president's committee was itself highly classified. The directive became public as a result of the criminal prosecutions of Oliver North, John Poindexter, and others involved in the Iran‑Contra affair, hence the designation "Exhibit A" running up the left side of the document.



U.S. STRATEGY FOR IRAN AFTER KHOMEINI,

JUNE 1985 (NOT OFFICIALLY ADOPTED, TOP SECRET) AND

COVERT ACTION FINDING REGARDING IRAN,

(TOP SECRET), JAN. 17,1986



This draft NSDD, drawn up primarily by NSC staffer Howard Teicher, illustrated the political splits within the Reagan NSC that eventually gave rise to the Iran‑Contra crisis.

According to the Tower Commission report, Teicher synthesized this draft order from a Special National Intelligence Estimate on Iran and a ClA study of potential covert operations against the Khomeini government. The draft authorized "the supply of Western military hardware" to Iran and other measures, according to its cover memo.<!----><!---->

George Shultz and Caspar Weinberger disapproved, however, killing the draft order. Nevertheless, George Bush, William Casey, and key members of the appropriately named Crisis Pre‑Planning Group continued to support the initiative, and secretly implemented it over the next two years.


In January 1986, NSC staffer Oliver North drew up a formal Covert Action Finding for President Reagan (right). It authorized the ClA and NSC staff to proceed with the controversial effort to transfer US weapons to Iranian "moderates" in exchange for their cooperation in freeing US hostages in Lebanon. In effect, the finding implemented the program that had been outlined in the rejected NSDD, but without the approval of Shultz, Weinberger, and congressional intelligence committees. The handwriting at the bottom includes Reagan's initials and a note by security adviser Poindexter indicating that the "President was verbally briefed from this paper. VP , Don Regan and Don Fortier were present.<!----><!----> In later testimony, President Reagan insisted that he had not understood the content of the North/Poindexter Finding memo at the time he approved it.

CONTINUED...

The end result is our current state of constant war and surveillance. Have a nice day, Director Mueller.

Sorry I don't have more from the original article, such as the diagrams and photos referenced above.

NGU, though. I know You never will, Solly Mack.

[BlueIris]

5. 41's energy just creeps me the hell out. nt

[seafan]

8. It's probably why he parachutes out of a plane every year---for that final leap to Paraguay.

Creepy


Like father like son.

[glitch]

11. Comes with selling your soul to Satan.

One of the short-term bennies.

[Octafish]

14. He's a bit of a lady's man, somewhere in a dimly lit bit of his dirty old mind.

Know your BFEE: Poppy’s CIA Made Saddam Into the Butcher of Baghdad

[seafan]

26. Could that also be a Robert Seldon Lady's man?

Heh.


Still on the run.


Thanks for another dose of Poppy's sordid history, Octafish.


The one thing this criminal fears most is the truth.

[formercia]

7. The Vice Presidency was a cover job.

This is what Poppy was really up to.

[BlueIris]

15. Yep.

That strategy worked out well for them.

[Octafish]

17. All phones lead to Bab's home.

Old hat for you, news to the Land of the Free...

The 1980 campaign:

Agents for Bush

by Bob Callahan
Covert Action Information Bulletin

George Bush owed his recent political fortune to several old CIA friends, chiefly Ray Cline, who had helped to rally the intelligence community … and started … "Agents for Bush."

Bill Peterson of the Washington Post wrote in a March 1, 1980 article, "Simply put, no presidential campaign in recent memory – perhaps ever – has attracted as much support from the intelligence community as the campaign of former CIA director George Bush."

George Bush’s CIA campaign staff included Cline, CIA Chief of Station in Taiwan from 1958 to 1962; Lt. Gen. Salm V. Wilson and Lt. Gen. Harold A. Aaron, both former Directors of the Defense Intelligence Agency. Also included were retired Gen. Richard Stillwell, once the CIA’s Chief of Covert Operations for the Far East, and at least 25 other retired Company directors, deputy directors and, or, agents.

… Angelo Codevilla, informed a congressional committee that was "aware that active duty agents of the CIA worked for the George Bush primary election campaign.

… Ray Cline claimed that he had been promoting the pro-CIA agenda that Bush had embraced for years, and that he had found the post Church-hearings criticism had died down some time ago. "I found there was a tremendous constituency for the CIA when everyone in Washington was still urinating all over it," Cline said. … "It’s panned out almost too good to be true. The country is waking up just in time for George’s candidacy. …

CONTINUED...

Agents for Bush (please scroll down or use "Find" function)

Well, we know how that turned out.

[formercia]

18. I remember

I was there.

[jwirr]

19. The only way we will ever be able to trust the CIA is if there is a

new generation of agents and administration that divorce themselves from the idea of empire building and just concentrate on protecting the nation. They adopted the Nazi refugees and have been empire building ever since. The bush crime family have been part of this since Prescott aided and abetted the Nazi.

[Octafish]

21. No one's been able to clean house. Ever.

A clue for those who wonder: "Why?"

Know your BFEE: Spawn of Wall Street and the Third Reich

End result of marrying Wall Street and the nation's Spy Biz: Inside information like you wouldn't believe.

Thanks for getting it, jwirr.

[jwirr]

39. I have been around a long time. Started watching this stuff when

Eisenhower was in the WH. Too young then to really realize what I was seeing but have always remembered the things that happened. Starting with Ike's refusal to help Castro get rid of the crime network in his island.

[sabrina 1]

20. Is there any doubt that a coup has taken place? If it had not,

the Iran Conra criminals would still be in jail, instead they are still in power.

Once those criminals were let off the hook, pardoned etc. it should have been clear that these people are above the law. And we thought there was even remote possibility that Bush Jr. could be impeached. It was never even a possibility. I wonder though, why people like Nancy Pelosi didn't push for it, at least make them work harder.

I wonder is it ever possible that they will be exposed and real democracy restored?

[Octafish]

22. They worked things out in advance. Like what to say to troublesome members of Congress...

Like the late, great Henry B. Gonzalez (D, Texas):

Bush Administration Uses CIA To Stonewall Iraqgate Investigation

Jack Colhoun
Covert Action Quarterly

In House floor speeches, Rep. Henry Gonzalez has documented how pre‑Gulf War U.S. policy helped Iraq develop weapons of mass destruction. But President George Bush, taking a page from one of the darkest chapters of the Nixon presidency, has enlisted the CIA as part of his campaign to derail the Texas Democrat's Iraqgate investigation. The CIA is investigating Gonzalez for revealing allegedly secret intelligence information, which it claims has harmed U.S. national security interests.

Involving the CIA in domestic political affairs is one of the few remaining taboos in U.S. politics, and so far, Bush has gotten away scot‑free with it. His predecessor, Richard Nixon, was forced to resign a few days after the infamous "smoking gun" tape revealed that he had instructed White House Chief of Staff H. R. Haldeman to tell CIA Director Richard Helms to refuse to cooperate with the FBI's investigation of Watergate.

While the media and the Washington pundits have duly reported the CIA's investigation of Gonzalez, they have failed to note the resemblance between the way Bush and Nixon instigated domestic involvement of the CIA to protect their administrations. Nor have the media explored the ominous political implications of Bush‑the first former CIA director elected president‑using the Agency to discredit his political foes.

SNIP...

Although the attacks against Gonzalez continue, the growing body of evidence he is disclosing makes it increasingly difficult for the Bush administration to dismiss the allegations. And that, Gonzalez believes, is why Bush unleashed the CIA.

The Substance of Gonzalez's Charges

Gonzalez rejects Bush's contention that U.S. policy was designed "to encourage Saddam Hussein to join the family of nations."

"The Bush administration," Gonzalez charged in a July 27 speech, "sent U.S. technology to the Iraqi military and to many Iraqi military factories, despite overwhelming evidence showing that Iraq intended to use the technology in its clandestine nuclear, chemical, biological, and long‑range missile programs." He quoted U.S. intelligence documents which show the administration knew that the Cleveland, Ohio, Matrix Churchill Corporation and the Atlanta branch of the Italian Banca Nazionale del Lavoro (BNL) were the cornerstones of a secret Iraqi arms technology procurement network in the U.S.

The administration's pro‑Baghdad policy, spelled out in National Security Directive‑26, adopted on October 2, 1989, was based on promoting U.S. trade with Iraq. The Commerce Department routinely approved applications from U.S. companies for the export to Iraq of "dual‑use" technology, which has, civilian and military applications.

"While the (Bush) policy did not permit the sale of bombs or something of that nature that would blow up," Gonzalez declared in a July 21 speech, "it clearly allowed the sale of the equipment needed to make them. The administration knew what Saddam Hussein was doing.... The head of Iraq's ambitious military industrialization efforts was Saddam's brother‑in‑law, ...Hussein Kamil, who directed the flow of over $2 billion in BNL commercial loans to various highprofile Iraqi weapons projects."

CONTINUED at a busted link (Way Back Machine now gives me the picture of the blonde with the backpack)

http://covertaction.org//content/view/147/75/

Oh well. There's lots more. Remember Frank Church?

[sabrina 1]

23. But why are there so few members of Congress, and of the military

or other U.S. organizations, that will stand up when they go after someone like Gonzalez? True, they don't want to be smeared as they surely will, but there's strength in numbers. Don't they know that? Or is it that the numbers are not there?

Wikileaks, eg, stuck a pre-emptive blow to their anticipated attempts to smear the messengers when they released CIA documents planning to do exactly that. When Julian Assange was accused of rape, the world basically laughed. Only a few defended the allegations.

What I mean is, are there so few ethical people in this country that when one stands up, as Gonzalez did, the majority will remain silent rather than backing them up?

From Church:

“That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. There would be no place to hide. If this government ever became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back, because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology.

I don’t want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.”

His nightmare came true and was backed by Democrats, like Senator Obama who then went on to be president. So, if both parties are involved, there doesn't seem to be much hope of rescuing this democracy. Like Clinton, Obama refuses to go after the criminals. So, clearly the rule of law regarding these crooks, had been suspended.

Our only hope may have to come from outside, because they apparently have amassed so much power within this country that they are beyond the normal law enforcement agencies, all of whom appear to be on THEIR side.

[Octafish]

24. Not the agencies, per se, the Bosses.

These guys don't appoint people who aren't on their "side." Remember when Smirko wanted to get a new head of Homeland Security? He turned to someone he trusted, the crook Bernie Kerik.

Likewise, in matters of energy, they turned to the crook Kenny Lay.. For matters of war, they've got the crook Bob Gates. For finance, they have Hank Paulson and Bernie Madoff.

The thing is, most of the people in their respective organizations may be good-hearted, law-abiding citizens. But they don't get to set policy. The bosses do. And that includes deciding who gets their support election time.

Those who say, "Boo!" are dealt with.

FBI files indict Bush, Cheney and Co. as war criminals

Some, permanently.

Remember Mark Lombardi?



And while, as Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. reported, about 95-percent corrupt pukes and 75-percent corrupt Democrats, we Democrats have the best chance of cleaning house. Otherwise, it's just like Frank Church predicted about what happens when the power of the NSA gets turned on We the People: It's "Lights Out" for Democracy and Liberty.

Please forgive the disjointed nature of the response, sabrina1...I'm running on reserve power.

[sabrina 1]

25. And Bernanke and Geithner, Summers and Greenspan for finance.

No, thank YOU for keeping people informed. Imagine if we had a media that covered this stuff? The ratings would be huge, for one thing, but an informed public, an outraged public, could probably stop them.

Your point about placing people in strategic positions is certainly true and unless the 'little people' in these agencies are organized, I guess it is easy to take down individuals who do try to speak up and that teaches anyone else with those kind of ideas a lesson.

Your link to the 'suicides' of people who did speak out, is chilling. And the fact that nothing has been done about any of it, even more so.

I had not heard of Mark Lombardi, but have read about most of the others listed. We owe them, don't we?

As for the FBI report, I had not heard about that either. I wonder where all those people are now?

Considering all of this, once again, if we had a free press, and all of this was covered the way they cover Paris Hilton, something concrete might come of it. But, they have bought the media also, I know.

It's hard to find the words to express the outrage that would be appropriate when reading of the evil they have done, and in the name of the American people.

Keep exposing the facts, Octafish, but it is frustrating and exhausting to see them grow in power when so much is known about them.

[Oilwellian]

27. You always post gems

and I've appreciated them for years. Thanks for all of your timely reminders.

[Octafish]

53. Most important thing I've shared: George H.W. Bush was in Dallas the day JFK was assassinated.

My source is the FBI:



Transcription:

TO: SAC, HOUSTON DATE: 11-22-63

FROM: SA GRAHAM W. KITCHEL

SUBJECT: UNKNOWN SUBJECT;
ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT
JOHN F. KENNEDY


At 1:45 p.m. Mr. GEORGE H. W. BUSH, President of the Zapata Off-Shore Drilling Company, Houston, Texas, residence 5525 Briar, Houston, telephonically furnished the following information to writer by long distance telephone call from Tyler, Texas.

BUSH stated that he wanted to be kept confidential but wanted to furnish hearsay that he recalled hearing in recent weeks, the day and source unknown. He stated that one JAMES PARROTT has been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston.

BUSH stated that PARROTT is possibly a student at the University of Houston and is active in political matters in this area. He stated that he felt Mrs. FAWLEY, telephone number SU 2-5239, or ARLINE SMITH, telephone number JA 9-9194 of the Harris County Republican Party Headquarters would be able to furnish additional information regarding the identity of PARROTT.

BUSH stated that he was proceeding to Dallas, Texas, would remain in the Sheraton-Dallas Hotel and return to his residence on 11-23-63. His office telephone number is CA 2-0395.

# # #

Same goes for you and your work, Oilwellian -- plus you dig SwampRat. Truly appreciate that you care, my Friend.

[EFerrari]

28. You know what would be interesting to track, one of these days.

Poppy and Porter Goss. Just their physical locations over the years. I spent a few hours just looking up stuff on Goss and from about the Bay of Pigs through 9/11, every time there was some big deal going on, there was Goss, Forrest Gumping his way through history. It would be interesting to see where his stuff intersects Poppy's.

[Octafish]

54. It all keeps going back to the "Bay of Pigs Thing."

Good questions yours, EFerrari. Here's a bit about CIA terrorists in the form of Operation 40 from the good folks in the UK who created The Education Forum:

Operation 40

The Education Forum

On 11th December, 1959, Colonel J. C. King, chief of CIA's Western Hemisphere Division, sent a confidential memorandum to Allen W. Dulles, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency. King argued that in Cuba there existed a "far-left dictatorship, which if allowed to remain will encourage similar actions against U.S. holdings in other Latin American countries."

As a result of this memorandum Dulles established Operation 40. It obtained this name because originally there were 40 agents involved in the operation. Later this was expanded to 70 agents. The group was presided over by Richard Nixon. Tracy Barnes became operating officer of what was also called the Cuban Task Force. The first meeting chaired by Barnes took place in his office on 18th January, 1960, and was attended by David Atlee Phillips, E. Howard Hunt, Jack Esterline, and Frank Bender.

On 4th March, 1960, La Coubre, a ship flying a Belgian flag, exploded in Havana Bay. It was loaded with arms and ammunition that had been sent to help defend Cuba's revolution from its enemies. The explosion killed 75 people and over 200 were injured. Fabian Escalante, an officer of the Department of State Security (G-2), later claimed that this was the first successful act carried out by Operation 40.

One member, Frank Sturgis, claimed: "this assassination group (Operation 40) would upon orders, naturally, assassinate either members of the military or the political parties of the foreign country that you were going to infiltrate, and if necessary some of your own members who were suspected of being foreign agents... We were concentrating strictly in Cuba at that particular time."

Over the next few years Operation 40 worked closely with several anti-Castro Cuban organizations including Alpha 66. CIA officials and freelance agents such as Porter Goss, E. Howard Hunt, David Morales, Bernard L. Barker, Frank Sturgis, Barry Seal, and William C. Bishop also joined the project. Cuban figures used by the Operation 40 included Antonio Veciana, Luis Posada, Orlando Bosch, Roland Masferrer, Eladio del Valle, Guillermo Novo, Carlos Bringuier, Eugenio Martinez, Antonio Cuesta, Hermino Diaz Garcia, Felix Ismael Rodriguez, Juan Manuel Salvat, Ricardo Morales Navarrete, Isidro Borjas, Virgilio Paz, Jose Dionisio Suarez, Felipe Rivero, Gaspar Jimenez Escobedo, Nazario Sargent, Pedro Luis Diaz Lanz, Rafael Quintero, Jose Basulto, and Paulino Sierra.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKoperation40.htm

CONTINUED...

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=5861

Mr. John Simkin is a DUer, proud to write.

[TheUnspeakable]

29. k&r

[Octafish]

55. Someone else we should remember: Robert B. Boettcher.

Know your BFEE: 1984 Death of Outstanding Congressional Staffer Buried Poppy-Moon Relationship

[Ichingcarpenter]

30. How Can Any Historian in their Right Mind

give this asshole a medal

FOR FREEDOM? ....... after knowing the truth?

Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose, ...
Well, Janis .. and Kris.... I think you nailed it if George gets a medal.

[NightWatcher]

32. is a historian giving this medal or is Obama doing it?

if it is Obama it's just another way he's saying "haha" to those of us who hoped for something different

[Ichingcarpenter]

34. I know who gives it

I cried the night when he got elected
with tears of joy and now

its tears of woe.

[NightWatcher]

35. maybe soon we'll start to understand that it doent matter anymore

voting is a scam
democrats are the Generals to the repukes Globetrotters
its all a global con played on the poor by the rich who own us
as soon as we stop playing, voting, participating, the beast will begin to lose its control over us
i say Ignore DC, turn off the corporate news, and try to just be happy at home

[Ichingcarpenter]

36. It is global and the US corporate news is part of the problem

I've left this country that I loved and live in a foreign land
after being foreclosed on.... I walked away from the debt before it all came down
and came with two suitcases, with my computer packed in one (my iMac)

The Banks, Financial and Insurance companies need to be brought down
the governments the world over bailed them out over the backs of the citizens.

After being away.... I still can view the US... through an new lens

The POWERS know that many can see through them and therefore poured hugh monies
into the last election in the US.

There is a World Ground root awareness of what is going on and the battles
we face.


AND IT IS A BATTLE FOR THE HEART AND SOUL OF ANY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT
DEMOCRACY REALLY MEANS.

The Spartans never liked Democracy, but loved Oligarchies, Kings and the Military.
Don't even get me started on Fascism.........LOL

[jwirr]

40. I have never been able to read John Kerry's book "The New War"

because it scares me so much. But I think it is about what you are talking about.

[azul]

38. I say buy a network and expose the fraud and conspiracy.

"What if I told you it was done with mirrors
What if I showed you it was all a lie
Better be careful, someone might hear ya
The walls have ears and the sky has eyes
What if I said you were only dreamin'
What you wanna bet that all you gotta do
Is open up your eyes and you will wake up screamin'
When you realize that it's all come true

chorus
Hush, now don't you believe it
Cover your head and close your eyes
Now, take it or leave it
Go back to bed
Now don't you cry"
-Steve Earle

la la la, not lol

[mod mom]

43. it's beyond comprehension, isn't it?

Was Obama's social justice background just a ploy or was he willing to forget the past to assume power?

[Octafish]

57. It's the Presidential Medal of Freedom

The only "freedom" George Walker Bush brought to America and the world was the freedom of the grave.

"Money Trumps Peace." -- George Walker Bush

[Enthusiast]

33. K&R nt

[Octafish]

59. The Bushies Stole Us Blind ... So, How'd You Like Your Beer?

This indictment comes from Jan. 19, 2009...

The Bushies Stole Us Blind ... So, How'd You Like Your Beer?

By David Michael Green, AlterNet
Posted on January 19, 2009, Printed on January 19, 2009

EXCERPT...

Where you or I might have looked at the middle of the 20th century and seen the moment when America finally did justice to its national promise by introducing a measure of serious economic equality for the first time, and thus vastly expanding the middle class, the plutocrats behind Reaganism-Bushism saw a filthy aberration to the natural order of master and slave that had long existed in human history. They therefore set about to overturn that aberration and return to "better times" through a process of class warfare. That meant that labor unions had to go, along with workplace protections, good wages, decent benefits, government protections and a far-too-moderate average CEO-to-lowest-paid-worker salary ratio on the order of 50-to-1, replaced instead by something closer to 500-to-1.

And, where Washington was concerned, that meant that government was to become a vehicle to serve not the 300 million, but rather the 300 families at the top, who already owned the most but craved ever, ever more. It was a cash cow that could provide enormous riches to buccaneers who make the Somali pirates look like Campfire Girls in comparison. Social Security is not, from this perspective, a program to serve seniors and keep a roof over their heads during their final decades of life, but rather a pool of money which the government had been kind enough to already collect and centralize, just waiting for barons to come along and robber it. Deregulation is another important purpose of the federal government. Protecting the long-term integrity of the economic system from the exploitation of short-term Ponzi schemers with their derivatives and their garbage loans was so mid-20th century, you know? And then, chief among all purposes of government under Reaganism-Bushism, are the tax cuts for the wealthy, even if -- especially if -- they can be made more massive by borrowing from suckers' -- I mean, citizens' -- children in future generations.

In short, if you merely hate the Bush administration for driving the country into penury, making us hated around the world, bringing on a global economic crisis, ignoring when not exacerbating a looming environmental catastrophe of planetary proportions, killing a million Iraqis on the basis of a host of lies, letting New Orleans drown, trying to wreck Social Security, sleeping through (at best) the worst terrorist attack on our shores, allowing -- when not assisting -- the Middle East in going up in flames, or dividing our country internally -- if that's "all" you've got against these guys, then you have no idea how bad it really is.

Because how bad it really is can be found in the same place where one sees the difference between first-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter. The latter is a crime of ineptitude, the former one of intent. If you are fooled into thinking -- as I suspect that most Americans have been -- that the Bush administration was just a bunch of bungling ideologues who governed like Keystone Kops, then you will have been duped by the crime of the century. For at bottom these were kleptocrats, pure and simple. They came to steal, not to serve, and -- with the chief exception of their foiled Social Security raid -- they accomplished their mission rather handily. This was class warfare, and we lost badly. The rich in America are now far richer than they've been since 1929, while we and our government are infinitely more impoverished than we've been since the New Deal.

Of course, a movement representing one-half of 1 percent of the American public is never going to win elections as such, even as imperfect as is America's democracy, and so the kleptocrats had to do three things. First, they had to lie about their agenda. Second, they had to enlist others as unwitting agents in their crime. Third, they had to steal elections. The three are, of course, heavily related. By pretending to be hyperpatriots, and by dressing up tax-code changes, privatization and deregulation in the vernacular of freedom and the unleashing of economic dynamism, they could give their agenda a plausibility sufficient to fool those not looking too closely. Recruiting a few jive economists from academia to flak for not-so-funny-after-all Laffer Curves and the like gave the thing an additional patina of legitimacy.

CONTINUED...

http://www.alternet.org/story/120750/

C'mon change.

[jotsy]

37. Came up with an interesting idea when I learned of this...mockery.

Give him the medal for greed or disregard, anything but freedom. That's what I said to my family the other night as I was making fajitas in a rage, all red in the face. I am embarrassed, I am outraged and feel myself stained with the innocent blood shed by my nation's misdeeds.

It might not make a difference if we wore our angst for this militant monetary movement that's rooted at the helm of our own nation's church of aggression otherwise known as the Department of Defense. But if there were enough of us and we did enough of something like that, it would at least let the people of other nations know a section of the people here are not on board with this crap.

Is no one else that kind of red in the face?

Edited to switch out a conjunction.

Thanks Master O.
Rec'd.

[EFerrari]

46. So, how could we do that? We could post a letter that

people could sign and send the link around.

This is monstrous. There's no other word for it.

[jotsy]

47. Give a sheet!

Temporary tattoos. So far I've thought of two images, one is a stop sign with the s being an $; the other a red palm, like the ones we see blinking at traffic lights. Got to look into how to have them made and how to distribute. Initiate a dialogue with what left media there is and hope the maim scream media start asking questions as to why and increasing number of people are sending a visible and message of peace peacefully.

Once a week?

Once a month?

What's it worth and what's too much to ask in the gesture of turning a cheek!

[jotsy]

51. If not us, who? If not now, when?

They'll not stop painting themselves as patriots til we prove otherwise.

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQNxrdlk7-g&feature=related>

[bobthedrummer]

41. K&R+ excerpts from Christopher Simpson's "Blowback: America's recruitment of Nazis and its

disastrous effect on our domestic and foreign policy" (Third World Traveler)
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Blowback_CSimpson.html

+
"Documents Shed Light on C.I.A.'s Use of Ex-Nazis" by Scott Shane (6-6-06 NYT)

"The Central Intelligence Agency took no action after learning the pseudonym and whereabouts of the fugitive Holocaust overseer Adolph Eichmann in 1958..."
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/06/washington/06cnd-nazi.html

+
P.O. Box 1142 (NPCA.org)
http://www.npca.org/magazine/2010/winter/po-box-1142.html

and so on, and so forth-thanks for starting another thread about our real political history despite the deniers presence here, there and everywhere Octafish.

[felix_numinous]

44. Thank you Octafish for keeping this story alive,

the censored history of the US. I believe if this story broke in full, like the Edward R. Morrow McCarthy moment and the Watergate scandal, it would be just the dose of reality this country hungers for.

The absence of this truth being told has created such a large vacuum that it takes a whole network of propaganda to literally prop up the airwaves to fill this black hole. How much money is being poured into this dark vortex of lies, just so this story never gets told? How many people are being paid not to speak it, how many people are invested in this Big Lie?

[KansDem]

45. knr

:dem:

[H2O Man]

50. His big reward

will be presented in hell.

[Catherina]

56. Bookmarked. Too late to recommend. n/t

[Initech]

58. Now that's a *REAL* criminal!