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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 11:21 PM
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Arne still following Gates' school agenda...larger classes, no pay for teachers' higher education.
That is only part of it, but they recently both spoke on these issues. That does make it a little obvious that Bill Gates is playing a much larger role in the nation's education reform than his experience warrants. Money talks.

It just seems incomprehensible to me that these two men who are leading education policy in this country do not want to consider paying teachers with advanced degrees more money. It is also hard to believe they are pushing the talking point that larger classes do not matter.

Notice how similar the two recent speeches are of Arne Duncan and Bill Gates.

The New Normal: Doing More with Less -- Secretary Arne Duncan's Remarks at the American Enterprise Institute

Love that term The New Normal. Seems like that Normal is what Gates and Duncan want it to be.

So, what do I mean when I talk about transformational productivity reforms that can also boost student outcomes? Our K-12 system largely still adheres to the century-old, industrial-age factory model of education. A century ago, maybe it made sense to adopt seat-time requirements for graduation and pay teachers based on their educational credentials and seniority. Educators were right to fear the large class sizes that prevailed in many schools....Today, our schools must prepare all students for college and careers--and do far more to personalize instruction and employ the smart use of technology. Teachers cannot be interchangeable widgets. Yet the legacy of the factory model of schooling is that tens of billions of dollars are tied up in unproductive use of time and technology, in underused school buildings, in antiquated compensation systems, and in inefficient school finance systems.


I have never heard public schools referred to as the "factory model". I have no idea what that means.

I am equally in the dark about who told him to use the phrase "Teachers cannot be interchangeable widgets." What is the world does that mean? I had no idea that teachers were thought of as "interchangeable widgets." That sounds like a talking point to me. Bet we hear more of it.

AND...educators are still right to fear large class sizes. That is a major part of Arne's plan and Gate's plan...to convince us that larger class sizes are just fine....that smaller classes are not necessary.

Rethinking policies around seat-time requirements, class size, compensating teachers based on their educational credentials, the use of technology in the classroom, inequitable school financing, the over placement of students in special education—almost all of these potentially transformative productivity gains are primarily state and local issues that have to be grappled with.

Doing more with less will likely require reshaping teacher compensation to do more to develop, support, and reward excellence and effectiveness, and less to pay people based on paper credentials.

Districts currently pay about $8 billion each year to teachers because they have masters' degrees, even though there is little evidence teachers with masters degrees improve student achievement more than other teachers--with the possible exception of teachers who earn masters in math and science.


We should have thought of that years ago....teachers don't need advanced degrees. Such a waste of money. Yes, that is sarcasm.

He goes on to explain that districts that want to keep music or art should settle with having larger classes in other areas. What kind of trade-off is that?

Read the rest of his speech. They are listening only to business executives, I fear, who know next to nothing about true learning.

Now to Bill Gates speech to be given to Council of Chief State School Officers (I am not familiar with that group).
Note how so many of his points are similar to those of Arne Duncan.

From the NYT

Gates Urges School Budget Overhauls

Pay attention to his words which sound pretty much like he thinks he's the boss.

His new area of interest: helping solve schools’ money problems. In a speech on Friday, Mr. Gates — who is gaining considerable clout in education circles — plans to urge the 50 state superintendents of education to take difficult steps to restructure the nation’s public education budgets, which have come under severe pressure in the economic downturn.

He suggests they end teacher pay increases based on seniority and on master’s degrees, which he says are unrelated to teachers’ ability to raise student achievement. He also urges an end to efforts to reduce class sizes. Instead, he suggests rewarding the most effective teachers with higher pay for taking on larger classes or teaching in needy schools.

“Of course, restructuring pay systems is like kicking a beehive” — but restructure them anyway, Mr. Gates plans to tell the superintendents in his talk to the Council of Chief State School Officers, which opens a convention in Louisville on Friday.


He says teachers won't like it but do it anyway. How interesting. He's gonna kick that beehive, and Arne is following suit.

At least two union leaders speak out against his ideas, though rather belatedly in my opinion. Too many union leaders have gone along for years without teachers actually suspecting.

“We know that experience makes a difference in student achievement — teachers get better,” said Bill Raabe, director of collective bargaining at the National Education Association, the largest teachers’ union. “And additional training, too, whether its a master’s degree or some other way a teacher has improved her content knowledge, we think it ought to be compensated.”

Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers, said of Mr. Gates’s speech: “He is proposing to change one of the things that parents count on — small class sizes to differentiate instruction. There’s a mountain of solid research and common sense showing smaller class sizes benefit students.”


She's right. The mountain of research and evidence is on the side of the traditional public schools. Yet the big money and power are taking over.

In fact Arne Duncan in Obama's name has gone along with Bill Gates in almost every area of what they are calling school "reform."

Arne Duncan has adopted Bill Gates education "reform" plans.

Gates:

At least according to Leonie Haimson in the Huffington Post. Haimson describes how Bill Gates, and the Gates Foundation, are on a path towards completely dismantling public education and replacing it with a privatized system in which tax-funded profits go to big business.

...The Gates Foundation, endowed with $35 billion, has already spent billions promoting Gates' personal agenda: the proliferation of charter schools. Gates also promotes linking teacher evaluation and compensation to standardized test scores. Spending billions on education might sound good but considering that neither charter schools nor standardized tests stand up to scrutiny, spending billions promoting them is quite dangerous indeed."


Charter schools, merit pay linked to high stakes testing. Neither have been proven to work, but they are steamrolling us with them anyway.

Now to Arne's plans, just like Bill's plans.

The U.S. Department of Education under Arne Duncan has bought into the Gates' agenda completely. Former Gates Foundation officials now serve in the department; including Jim Shelton, former education program director for Gates and now Assistant Deputy Secretary for "Innovation and Improvement". Joan Weiss, former COO of the NewSchools Venture Fund - financier of charter schools with Gates' dollars - joined Duncan's ranks heading the Race to the Top program and has since been promoted to Duncan's Chief of Staff.

Not coincidentally, the $4.3 billion Race to the Top program requires states to eliminate caps on charter schools, forcibly close traditional schools, and even mandate wholesale firing of teachers and turning schools over to charter school operators. The Gates Foundation even "helped" states write their applications for Race to the Top funds - changing laws on charter schools and teacher evaluation in exchange for a long-shot gamble on what is essentially bribe money.


Gates seems to have the inside track and gets Arne's ear closely, but there are others like Eli Broad, the Walton family, and the hedge fund operators. There are billionaires running the education reforms...the ones left out are the teachers who actually know what works.




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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 11:25 PM
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1. recommend.
Gates is the Voldemort of public education. Sucker pops up everywhere, every time. :grr:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 11:27 PM
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2. I can tell you what "factory model" and "interchangeable widgets"
means around here. In our district a few years ago, the superintendent introduced a universal curriculum across all the districts' schools. Not only were all the teachers supposed to use the same math text, for example, they were supposed to be teaching from the same page across the district on the same day! Teachers didn't write their own lesson plans -- there was a universal lesson plan across the district that was posted on the web for all to see. Teachers could petition for specific modifications, but otherwise they were supposed to keep to the district lesson plan.

You bet that the teachers felt that they were no more than widgets in this system. Who could blame them?

I moved my last child into a private school about that time, so I don't know what the district is doing now. I heard that after that superintendent left the situation improved. It could hardly be any worse.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 02:10 AM
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5. "a universal lesson plan across the district that was posted on the web for all to see."
Now that is just plain scary.

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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 06:03 AM
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7. Here is an article that might be of interest.
After Dr. Riley instituted the standardized web-based lesson plans, he left the District to take a job with the College Board (which he no doubt got because he was a national champion of the idea of all students being required to take multiple AP tests). And there was a 2 week teacher strike around the issue of standardized lesson plans in 2008. I understand that the new Superintendent is not requiring the same degree of standardization -- but it's a trend all over the country.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003760509_curriculum24m.html
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 06:07 AM
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9. and do you understand where that trend is coming from? hint: not from a particular
super.
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erodriguez Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 03:33 PM
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15. I think he is referring to propaganda released by Rhee's "The New Teacher Project"
Called "The Widget Effect" the "study", and I say that in loose terms, argues that teachers should be paid by performance.


http://widgeteffect.org/
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 04:11 PM
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17. Thanks, could be.
They are like TFA in that they get paid by school districts who hire their new teachers while experienced teachers are being laid off.

It was founded by Michelle Rhee, though I don't see her name in the leadership there. Oddly enough I do see Wendy Kopp's name. Didn't she found TFA?

One big family.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Rhee
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 12:19 PM
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27. We have that on our district and it makes sense for our kids
Our population is very transient. It makes sense to use the same curriculum district wide.

We aren't forced to be on the same page every day though. I don't see how that is even possible. We have units and teachers are expected to teach them in order. But it's entirely possible for one class to be on Unit 3 while another is finishing up Unit 2.
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Reader Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 12:27 AM
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3. Again: Why are people with no experience making the decisions?
None of the people making decisions that affect every classroom in America are qualified to teach in said classrooms? Why the fuck do they have any credibility whatsoever?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 01:17 AM
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4. Good question. Must mean there are other motives...
than just good education.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 06:04 AM
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8. Because they're RICH, so they must know EVERYTHING.
Same thing that makes them think they would make great Governors.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 02:53 AM
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6. Good article at Huff Post by Leonie Haimson on the class size myth
and class size facts. It's amazing how they are doing it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leonie-haimson/the-7-myths-of-class-size_b_776706.html

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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 06:07 AM
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10. Thanks. That IS a very helpful article. n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 10:55 AM
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11. It's nearly all myths, and teachers can't get a voice to call them on it.
No one but bloggers stand up for the teachers.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 02:52 PM
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13. Parents do within their districts. I did, anyway, till I gave up.
I watched a huge wave of the best teachers leave the district, and I finally decided to follow their example.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 03:53 PM
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16. Often when parents in a district complain enough
the district use the "charter" alternative. They put that parent's child in a special school which usually shuts them up because now their concerns for their child appears to be met. Plus they are afraid that their kid won't get to be in the "special" school (often called an academy) if they, the parents) complain about anything. It's a useful tool.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 09:22 PM
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21. No charters in my district. Our superintendent's philosophy
was to make every school exactly the same, which didn't fit with a charter concept.

The last straw for me was when the super proposed to require EVERY high school student to take 5 AP classes and tests to graduate. One each in math, science, english and history and a 5th of the student's choice. He was clearly doing this because his requirement that all students take at least one AP class had vaulted our district up to nearly the top of Newsweek Magazines Best School's list (since it was based solely on how many AP tests were taken by students; not even whether they passed.) The only way to maintain our position against other districts was to force our students to take more and more AP tests.

He eventually left the district, to take a job with -- of course -- the College Board, seller of the AP tests.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 11:23 PM
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23. AP tests have been a scam for some time now.
I have done work with the College Board. It is one of the biggest hoaxes in education.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 01:15 PM
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12. Gates who leads reform...says teachers don't improve after 3 years.
I am still in shock that this guy who thinks teachers no longer improve after 3 years has such power over education reform.

It's truly scary to me.

Garrulous Mr. Gates

Garrulous Mr. Gates

Teachers have intrinsic motivation Gates can neither measure nor (apparently) conceive of. I appreciate money, and I’ll say thanks to praise from almost anyone. But I especially treasure it from kids. Last month I told my class I’d miss them. They shouted, “We’ll miss you too!” They asked me if I’d teach them next year. I was honored, far more than by anything Gates could do or say.

But Gates proves things with charts, one of which says:

"Once somebody has taught for three years, their teaching quality does not improve thereafter."


It's about 12 minutes in to the linked video.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 03:09 PM
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14. Drop out.
And take it from me: It takes one to know one.

By furthering the destruction of American public education, Gates advances the erosion of America's middle class.

Lousy schools do advance something else:



"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

-Joseph Goebbels



Not that America would ever go NAZI and torture and spy on its citizens or lie the nation into two illegal, immoral and unnecessary wars on innocent countries that were no threat but contained valuable minerals ever.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 06:15 PM
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20. Your last sentence....
wow. Not that we would ever.

:hi:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 04:28 PM
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18. bill gates...bored ,rich, with nothing to do...
hey billy, leave those kids alone...all in all you`re just another brick in the wall.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 06:12 PM
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19. K & R nt
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 09:24 PM
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22. It's really shameful this is happening under a DEM admin. nt
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 12:13 AM
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24. Larger class size, more testing, what a disaster. Working class
families deserve better than this!
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 02:23 PM
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32. what is left of working class disposable money--they want invested in private schools
the Bidness of Schooling will not be denied.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 12:28 AM
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25. k&r
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zenprole Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 12:04 PM
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26. Nice post
Unpacking the subtext of propaganda is essential, closely followed by examining class interests (that's economic, not blackboard).

What bears mention is Gates is a college dropout. Some allege he was expelled from Harvard for stealing mainframe time worth tens of thousands of 1970's dollars, but that can't be proven without internal records. What we know for certain is that he didn't finish - highly curious for a rich kid who almost always has the option for the 'gentleman's C' and a graceful if undistinguished graduation (which also may explain his disinterest in advanced degrees for teachers).

Couple that with Arne Duncan's utter lack of education credentials and it's a recipe for fascism; the monied and their lackeys attempting to crush democracy at every turn. Education's a juicy target for them because there's public money to steal and the end result is citizens become less able to discern what's wrong with their country.

Does anyone want to step up to the Obama plate and tell us when the Pope of Hope might do something about this ongoing travesty?
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 12:38 PM
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28. George Carlin was right.
The billionaires who run this country do not want an educated population that is able to think for themselves. They want the schools to merely press out a bunch of interchangeable bricks that can be easily cemented into a wall. And they are succeeding quite well with their dumbing down of the young.
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:11 PM
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29. "The New Normal" is a just a new euphemism
for the hostile corporate takeover of public education. This takeover masquerades as a public/private partnership reform needed to save poor black kids from lazy fat cat teachers. The real purpose is the transfer of the $540 billion spent annually on public K-12 education into corporate coffers and the assurance of a cheap labor workforce, minimally educated but maximally trained to operate the American subsidiary of the Microsoft billionaire's universe. It's not personal. It's just business. Such a thing could never happen in a free society, but we haven't been one of those since we legalized pay-to-play politics. Under our present corporate oligarchy, it only makes sense that the people who own the country should train the workforce to serve them.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 08:06 PM
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30. Bill Gates, as someone whose critical thinking skills are at best...
rudimentary at best...

is hardly one to be recommending how our public schools should operate... :grr:
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 12:30 PM
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31. So teachers are expected to be excellent at teaching with no further education
These people and those who listen to the sound bites and vote accordingly are completely deluded and idiotic.
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Jazzgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 03:04 PM
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33. I'm sorry but isn't Bill autistic?
At least Asperger's syndrome? He is not trained as an educator either so what the heck does he know about teacher effectiveness.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 03:38 PM
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34. Microsoft is a totally reactionary company.
MS never created anything in computing. They were ten years behind on GUI, and the internet.

Gates on education is fascist, or corporatist. The propaganda tactic is "reflecting" on the opponent. Calling them what you are. The whole "teachers as widgets" and factory modeling is, of course, just like calling Obama a socialist. It's stupefying.

A working classroom is a learning laboratory, and an improvisational theater, and a social structure. This RTTT is imposing religion on the education system. By that I don't mean religious takeover of schools, I mean that the guidelines are just from the revelation of the supply side fat cats that pull the strings.

--imm
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 05:48 PM
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35. I just love how they play god with our children's futures.
Edited on Mon Nov-22-10 05:49 PM by Fearless
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