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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 11:50 PM
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Palin Attacks John Kennedy's 'Catholic' Speech
Edited on Sat Nov-20-10 12:02 AM by bigtree
"Because I am a Catholic, and no Catholic has ever been elected President, the real issues in this campaign have been obscured--perhaps deliberately, in some quarters less responsible than this." John Kennedy, September 12, 1960, address to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association


My first reaction to this report was to just write the headline off as just another embarrassing, self-serving display of an unhinged republican. It's not as if there isn't already an entire lexicon of wackiness and outright bullshit from the Wasilla Whiner and her wacky band of republican demagogues.

When I saw that she chose Kennedy's defense of his Catholicism to unleash her own special brand of divisive reasoning on, my reaction was amazement at her willingness to upend transformative American history to advantage her appeal with her support base of birthers and bigots.

Her latest anti-intellect diatribe is found in a newly leaked excerpt from her new 'book'. From the AP: (http://www.statesman.com/news/nation/palin-criticizes-famed-kennedy-speech-1060928.html)

Palin addresses at length Kennedy's noted speech on religion during the 1960 campaign — a speech many saw as crucial to counter sentiment that his faith would hold undue sway over him if he became the nation's first Catholic president.

"I am not the Catholic candidate for president," Kennedy said. "I am the Democratic Party's candidate for president, who happens also to be a Catholic."

Palin writes that Kennedy "essentially declared religion to be such a private matter that it was irrelevant to the kind of country we are."


Never mind that John Kennedy only raised the issue of his religion defending himself against the same kind of religious bigotry and political opportunism that Palin practiced during her vice-presidential bid where she repeatedly bashed Barack Obama for the views of his pastor; equating his mere attendance at his Baptist church and his ecumenical relationship with his preacher with some of the more controversial statements he had made.

Indeed, Palin includes her demagoguery against the Obama's past association with their church in her book:

Palin returns to the subject of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's controversial former pastor . . ."

"I guess this shouldn't surprise us, since both of them spent almost two decades in the pews of the Reverend Jeremiah Wright's church listening to his rants against America and white people," Palin writes.


Despite the McCain/Palin campaign push to smear Barack Obama for his 'associations' with William Ayers and others, there had been a noticeable ban on criticisms from John McCain of Rev.Wright. Part of that reluctance to highlight Obama's pastor certainly had to do with his own problem with demagogic spiritual leaders.

McCain reversed his criticisms in his 2000 run for president of Falwell and Robertson as 'agents of intolerance', just in time to run for the office again. McCain refused to renounce the support he solicited in this campaign from Rev. John Hagee, a demagogue who has called the Catholic church 'The Great Whore' -- even after Hagee said Katrina struck New Orleans because of a gay rally there.

I think most of their campaign's reluctance to bring up Wright, though, had to do with Sarah Palin's church's 'witch hunter' who she credited for praying her into the governorship and has been videotaped praying directly behind Palin, as she bowed her head, for Jesus to eradicate witchcraft and elevate her political career.

"In the name of Jesus, in the name of Jesus, every form of witchcraft is what you rebuke. In the name of Jesus, in the name of Jesus, father make away now," her Pastor Muthee says in the video.

"Come on, talk to God about this woman. We declare, save her from Satan," Pastor Muthee continued. "Make her way, my God. Bring finances her way even for the campaign in the name of Jesus. Use her to turn this nation the other way around."

It was no accident that McCain/Palin resorted to a witch-hunting campaign against Barack Obama. Palin evidently persuaded McCain that the source of his problems wasn't the lying, hypocritical campaign he was running. Palin must have sold McCain on the Pastor Muthee doctrine.

Pastor Muthee ran a woman out of town after he convinced residents that the source and cause of the crime and poverty rampant in their community was a woman he picked out at random to scapegoat. “We prayed, we fasted, the Lord showed us a spirit of witchcraft resting over the place,” Pastor Muthee said.

McCain and Palin evidently decided that the problems they were promising to take responsibility for were beyond their earthly power to solve. So, they took their supporters on an old-fashioned witchhunt, stirring up 'suspicions' about their rival's character; casting aspersion on his 'associations'; and casting him as the pernicious source of all of that ails the nation. Their witchhunt was oblivious to their own messianic zeal as they stirred the rabble to reject the infidels.

Evidently, that's the type of campaign Palin intends to run in her self-absorbed tilt toward her own presidential run. A witchhunt. That's diametrically opposite what John Kennedy managed in his defense what was seen at the time as public sentiment and suspicion against a Catholic in the WH. Kennedy was a member of the Roman Catholic Church, and no Catholic had yet been elected to the presidency. One of the fears spread during the campaign was that a President Kennedy would somehow take his orders from the Vatican.

In an interesting view of the controversy, Kenneth C. Davis writes in his book, 'Don't Know Much About History', of Martin Luther King Sr.'s reversal of his earlier vow of refusal to 'vote for a Catholic': (http://books.google.com/books?id=ZWXV2OsfiDIC&pg=PA442&lpg=PA442&dq=Nixon+debate+Kennedy+catholic&source=bl&ots=YR9kfSySdO&sig=Rb6H0DMuMNgGd_jIRRsSe6fG4S0&hl=en&ei=9UbnTIf_F4XGlQfrsMGtDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=31&ved=0CNoBEOgBMB4#v=onepage&q=Nixon%20debate%20Kennedy%20catholic&f=false)

Nixon's running mate Henry Cabot Lodge promised there would be a Negro in the Nixon cabinet. Nixon had to disavow that pledge, and whatever white votes he won cost him black support. A second boost among black voters came when Martin Luther King was arrested during the final debate. Kennedy called King's wife, Coretta, to express his concern, and Robert Kennedy helped secure King's release on bail. Nixon decided to stay out of the case. King's father, who had previously stated he wouldn't vote for a Catholic, announced a shift to Kennedy. "I've got a suitcase of votes," said Martin Luther King Sr., "and I'm going to take them to Mr. Kennedy and dump them in his lap."


It shouldn't be forgotten that President Obama still has an historic amount of support from the black community which also takes a dim view of Palin's previous attacks on the Obama's black pastor and their attendance of their Baptist church. It's notable that the Obama campaign never took the opportunity to reciprocate the attacks by turning on Palin's own controversial pastor and church.

Moreover, in the aftermath of the public exposure of Rev. Wright's controversial statements, candidate Obama took advantage of the opportunity to practice some racial-healing and transformed the hateful opportunism of the right-wing-inspired campaign against his church into a 'teachable moment'.

Senator Barack Obama delivered a speech entitled "A More Perfect Union" in Philadelphia on March 18, 2008. In it, he laid out a condemnation of Wright's controversial statements, outlined his own views on race relations in America, and sought to put it all in the perspective of the political campaign: (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/18/us/politics/18text-obama.html?_r=2&bl=&ei=5087&en=159a0f4776d53b1c&ex=1205985600&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print)

". . .we have a choice in this country," Mr. Obama said, "We can accept a politics that breeds division, and conflict, and cynicism. We can tackle race only as spectacle – as we did in the OJ trial – or in the wake of tragedy, as we did in the aftermath of Katrina - or as fodder for the nightly news. We can play Reverend Wright’s sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words . . .

We can do that.

But if we do, I can tell you that in the next election, we’ll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change.

That is one option. Or, at this moment, in this election, we can come together and say, “Not this time.”


That's right, Mrs. Palin. We reject the politics of division by race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, and the rest of the litany of division the republican party has sown in recent decades. This President you're intent on challenging for the highest office in the land rejects your brand of politics. At this political moment, we will come together and say, not this time.

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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 11:55 PM
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1. What a twit she wasn't even born then to know the context..
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 01:01 AM
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13. Mama`Grizzlys DON'T do "context"!
(But Mama Grizzly was sound asleep, while Levi was knocking up her eldest cub!)
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herbm Donating Member (980 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 11:08 AM
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25. Mama Grizzlies do dig up the dead to eat them, too.
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Puzzler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 11:56 PM
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2. As if Palin had any knowledge of this speech until recently...
... or until her ghost writer(s) put it in her book. I doubt if she could even tell you exactly what years JFK was president, let alone have any knowledge of his speeches.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 12:03 AM
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3. I'm surprised she even knows who JFK was.
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 12:05 AM
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4. Michelle Obama, John Kennedy. Who's she going to attack next - Snoopy?
I guess she's not going to be satisfied until the entire country hates her.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 12:09 AM
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6. LOL! I bet she will. Well, Charlie Brown anyway.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 12:16 AM
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8. Jesus.
Edited on Sat Nov-20-10 12:17 AM by onehandle
That liberal socialist.
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 12:22 AM
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9. She might decide to pick apart the sermon on the mount speech next
Or complain that Jesus didn't have a job.
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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 12:05 AM
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5. So what she's saying is
Voters should have voted against him if they did not like his Catholicism.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 05:51 AM
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15. right
She's saying that his Catholicism should have been a debatable issue in that campaign. It's clear by her conduct in the last campaign that she would willingly, and eagerly divide the country along religious lines (among others like race) to advantage her political fortunes.
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dimbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 06:08 AM
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16. Setting the groundwork for a swipe at the Mormons, perhaps.
All set to have a go at Mittens.
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rtassi Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 09:44 AM
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21. It was a debated issue ... JFK was successful in alleviating
any concerns as to where his loyalties would lie .. And thanks to JFK and his inner circle ... and like minded men of honor in Russia, Mz Palin is even alive today to be the ass-hat that she is!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 03:56 PM
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27. yep, Kennedy put most of the controversy to rest with his speech
I can't imagine Palin just letting the issue of his Catholicism go after his speech, though. She certainly didn't get the message Barack Obama delivered in his 'teachable moment' speech. That's typical of the right-wing philosophy these days. They believe if conservatives had just prevailed on issues like 'finishing' the Vietnam War, and, in this case, relegating Kennedy's religion to the curb, they would have achieved some sort of renaissance in their influence and in conventional wisdom. That's the hook they use as they promote their failed and rejected agenda. If we had only listened to them . . . Fantasy.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 05:23 PM
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32. Maybe she's one of those fundies who think Catholicism is
not a Christian church.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 12:10 AM
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7. Why is the focus in the media not about her being unhinged?
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 12:23 AM
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10. The quote about witchcraft is really puzzzling because I didn't know
Edited on Sat Nov-20-10 12:24 AM by snagglepuss
O'Donnell was in Palin's neck of the woods back then.


""In the name of Jesus, in the name of Jesus, every form of witchcraft is what you rebuke...""
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 12:42 AM
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11. not surprising
. . . to find witchcraft so readily accepted as legitimate by many fundamentalist sects. Such a myopic sense of the world.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 12:58 AM
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12. she is profoundly mentally challenged and i`m being PC....
i remember those days when the fundamentalists were claiming the pope was going to run america.

the more she talks the more she digs herself into the "...well,well,well...."
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 01:47 AM
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14. Fifty years backward.
One of my earliest memories is going off to the first grade in the fall of 1960 with a JFK button on. Sometimes I wore GO DEMOCRATIC buttons with donkeys on them.
This was at a private Episcopalian school.

My mom told me how the Baptist ministers made fools of themselves questioning JFK, and she was not happy about it. The Baptists were convinced that the Pope was gonna run Washington D.C., if Kennedy was elected.

We were more or less Presbyterian but not terribly religious.

Sarah Palin is an idiot.

The Catholics have MUCH better music, though. Most of the great composers wrote masses and lots of good stuff in Latin. And orchestral pieces have been set to Latin texts for choirs -- like the Nimrod variation in the Enigma Variations by Sir Edward Elgar. That piece as a "Lux Aeterna, Requiem Aeternam" (Eternal Light, Eternal Rest) is often sung & played in England on Remembrance Day (Veteran's Day).

And they have lots of interesting saints. I'm not a Christian but I can enjoy "smells and bells".


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donquijoterocket Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 01:48 PM
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26. an idiot
And with a well-demonstrated ability, intentional or otherwise, to misunderstand virtually everything she comes into contact with.Any flap surrounding her latest loo read is an attempt to slow the rate at which it will progress to the remainders bin selling for a buck a copy or less, if not given away to free up shelf space for real reading.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 06:46 AM
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17. Excellent post. Sarah would love to use religion to divide the country the way that Bush did.
She's on her own "crusade" to become the official GOP's version of Joan of Arc and lead them to victory.

But, Joan of Arc was burned at the stake, so there is a price to pay for leadership!!
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 07:20 AM
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18. Is religion NOT "a private matter"?
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 07:36 AM
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19. Palin true to her Evangelical end days beliefs wants to create a theocracy.
Edited on Sat Nov-20-10 07:39 AM by olegramps
Palin is so ignorant she doesn't have any knowledge of the principles which guided the founders of our nation. They were men of the enlightenment and were well acquainted with the destruct force that religion had played throughout history resulting in compounding ignorance, superstition and resulting the massacre of millions of innocent beings.

Her association with witchcraft is especially troubling. The extensiveness of the witchcraft trials and the use of torture to obtain confessions from not only women and men, but children extended over a period of some four centuries before the enlightenment brought an end to this madness. Palin and her ilk would like to bring back God into government and reignite the pyres and destroy their enemies. She is a vicious hydra whose demise will be greeted with a sigh of relieve by anyone who cherishes the principles upon which this nation was founded. She is as insane as the Queen of Hearts. I have little problem envisioning her screaming off with their heads, off with their heads. She is as insane as her cadre of brainless tea-baggers who are as mad as the Mad Hatter.
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JJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 08:52 AM
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20. So?
I mean honestly who cares what Palin says? Every day She cries fire in a theater, to get attention, make headlines, and then make money. She is balloon boy!

It is foolish to analyze anything she says because she is a liar, a hypocrite, and talks nonsense.
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rtassi Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 09:49 AM
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22. You would be horrified to know the many people I meet
in my line of work, (seemingly rational people) who believe she is an impassioned leader sent to bring America out of its present darkness. These are the same people you know, and your family knows. She is not to be taken lightly ... the most recent elections should demo that with out question. Americans ARE THAT STUPID!
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 10:16 AM
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24. H.L. Nencken said it almost 90 years ago, and today it's still
alarmingly true: "No one ever went broke overestimating the stupidity of the American public".
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 09:51 AM
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23. To quote KO-"That woman is an idiot"
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bongbong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 04:13 PM
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28. Lloyd
Somebody needs to resurrect Lloyd Bentsen so he can smack her down.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 04:41 PM
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29. I hope Sarah has made a 'devastating' 'smash camelot' 'dig up the grave' attack on JFK.
Edited on Sat Nov-20-10 04:43 PM by denem
I know there's plenty of books already,
But Sarahs the one to say:
Worst. President. Ever.
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 04:58 PM
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30. I'm loving Palin's hit list
A First Lady America loves...an 11-year-old girl...one of America's most beloved Presidents (who, btw, isn't alive to defend himself)...

Who next? The fucking Energizer bunny?!
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 05:02 PM
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31. Who gets Palin's praise?
Simon Cowell and the movies "Juno," "Knocked Up" and "The 40-Year-Old Virgin."
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 10:21 PM
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33. Great post, bigtree! n/t
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 10:38 PM
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34. Just when you thought they couldn't get more shallow then W, Palin manages to
drain a little more out of the pool.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 10:47 PM
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35. She is not
a pimple on Danny Quayle's ass, and has no right to even speak about JFK.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 10:50 PM
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36. In twenty years when Sarah is all shriveled and pruney
no one will even talk about her anymore.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 02:55 AM
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37. During the 2008 campaign I never once heard the media talk about the speech Obama gave below
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lunasun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 08:56 PM
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38. equating his mere attendance at his Baptist church and his ecumenical relationship with his preacher
UCC United Church of Christ not even close to Baptist religion

though I suppose many here I think would assume based on race & because it was a black church it must be a Baptist church
Rev Wright was pastor of Trinity United Church or Christ since the 70's i think,

Assume there are no evangelical black churches believing the same faith as Palin, and you would be wrong also.

thus why perhaps the need for Black Liberation Theology which was part of Wright's philosophy
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 08:58 PM
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39. got that wrong, did I?
meh. Strike 'Baptist'.
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