Chertoff and Scanners: Who actually mandated the new procedures?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

To me, it seems like we are being subjected to a new psychological warfare instituted by the money changers. We are experiencing a heretofore unseen level of encroachment on our ability to hold and keep our dignity.

The peons carrying out the master's directive are not who we should be attacking. The real shitheads, the ones not subject to this procedure, wrote this into law. And, it is they who are sitting in their smoky back rooms having a good ole guffaw at our predicament, all while raking in the multitudinous taxpayer dollar windfall.

We are in a catch 22 that screws us no matter which way we turn. From what I've seen on the nets, these are the stands that are being put forth:

1) I'm done flying! (say goodbye to your freedom to move about as economically and efficiently as others)
2) They touch me inappropriately, I'll knock them on their ass! (say hello to your new cellmate)
3) We need to repeal these measures! (say hello to another orchestrated event/disaster to help tighten the clamps)

We are very aware of the creeping fascism thrust upon us. This new test of our willingness to trade our dignity for mandated security is only the next level of conditioning. That it has been so easily implemented, to me, demonstrates how far down the rabbit hole we have fallen. I wonder what the next experiment is...

And, what do we do to put an end to the abuse?

[glinda]

1. No joking. This is exactly what it is. You are dead on. I want to know who did this.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

2. The ensnarement is really pissing me off tonight.

I think Time for change relayed this same message with much more clarity and detail in his OP, but I needed to get this out of my system.

[grasswire]

4. where is the other thread you reference?

I don't think I've seen it.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

5. Here you go...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9588288

As he does so many times, Time for change provides excellent insight and resources.

[grasswire]

3. who had the authority to order this?

That's what I asked in another thread.

Was it one of those plants left over from the Bush administration? A mole planted in order to start this fuss just prior to holiday travel, and blame it on Obama?

I'm beginning to see the totality of this as an op. A real clever political op.

Or maybe it is just chaos capitalism. Sew chaos, reap profits.

Either way, we need to begin with the identity of the person who authorized these measures. Who?

[glinda]

6. Nothing has been done for people as they have spent all the time planning. And still are.

I think that is why they vote no. Don't have to work on things. They don't show up. More time to plan. We are in a very serious situation and I fear the only persons who realizes it are just a couple of senators sounding the warning signals.

[lostnfound]

7. MSNBC's prison weekends...also designed to desensitize

All those prison shows -- aren't they also helping to desensitize and strip people of the expectation of simple human dignity?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

9. In a word, yes

TV, as a tool for desensitizing and conditioning, is a very, very powerful weapon.

[sally cat]

8. Janet Napolitano?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

10. I doubt this was her idea.

This was in the works long before the (amazingly timely) advent of the new "circuit board bombs".

[sally cat]

12. After further review I still think it's Janet. Who's your candidate since you ask the question?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

13. I would say the authorization was arrived at through consensus

of players in the MIC and Banking Industry a few years ago. However, I cannot prove that assertion.

[sally cat]

14. I find going to the top often ID's the decision makers. She's it.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

11. One more kick...

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[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Some answers to your question

this was piloted in Phoenix during the BUSH administration. Some of us were outraged then, and continue to be enraged now. Chertoff pushed for this back then.

Second... the HOUSE did not authorize the funds for this crap... but they still went ahead and got it..., there is something to be said about aircraft carriers not being able to stop or turn quickly. The US Government is akin to one... so once you get a program going, it is hard to turn it off... way too many interests created, in this case the Chertoff group, owners of Rapiscan.

Third, the only way to stop it is to crash air travel... and to take to the streets. And I mean the take to the streets en mase, and to exercise your rights. What is next are these things on DHS busses and trucks on your streets.

(That said realize that there is a need for security and this is a very American trait, we are once again reinventing the wheel because we could not implement what others do... and is like effective and shit... but it was NOT our creation, so it could not work... really...:sarcasm:)

There is also quite the element of encroaching state powers which started with... the USPA... been fighting all that since then. Today, once again, I looked at Canada and will look at other places. This country has gone certifiably nuts.

That said... both right and left are united in the outrage... so perhaps this will be another moment of clarity in US History... the Sir do you have no shame moment?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

17. Thank you, Nadin

I hold those same notions. Certifiably nuts seems to be the new status quo.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. You welcome, I think this is the wake the fuck up moment

or we will never do.

[noise]

16. The presumption of good faith is hard to counter

A combination of factors--authoritarianism, fearmongering, secrecy and propaganda--keep the public from being more skeptical of these counterterrorism policies.

One answer is for more citizens to question authority. Hopefully in a more productive manner than the teabaggers who are so easily fooled by propaganda.