National Outcry Over TSA Body Scanners and Invasive Pat-Downs Body-scanners

[KoKo]

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/11/19/national_outcry_over_tsa_body_scanners



National Outcry Over TSA Body Scanners and Invasive Pat-Downs
Body-scanners

As one of the busiest travel seasons of the year approaches there is a public outcry over new airport security measures that include full-body scanners and invasive police-style pat-downs. We speak with the Electronic Privacy Information Center and the American Civil Liberties Union, as well as New York City Councilman David Greenfield, who introduced a resolution to ban the use of the full body scanners in airports within the city.

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/11/19/national_outcry_over_tsa_body_scanners

[jaxx]

1. Use the train.

[lib2DaBone]

2. You could use the train.. except TSA and ICE are doing sweeps of Train and Bus...

[jaxx]

4. Not all of them and not all the time.

No outrage there.

[superduperfarleft]

3. What about this?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40291856/ns/travel-news/

Should he have just used the train?

[jaxx]

6. That was very poor on the TSAs part.

They need reported and then trained on medical issues they'll be seeing.

The man probably wishes he had taken the train.

[superduperfarleft]

8. And it seems to be a pattern.

This is hardly the first issue that people have had with the TSA this week or this year.

But god forbid you criticize something that might maybe kinda sorta reflect badly on your boyfriend.

[jaxx]

10. Did you criticize something about your boyfriend?

I don't know you so must have missed it.

[Caretha]

25. Until that TSA

agent gets a MD, he will never be equipped to deal with different types of medical situations when dealing with ALL the different medicalhuman scenarios that can complicate life, and that isn't fuckin' going to happen in your wildest dreams.

[liberal N proud]

5. If we had high speed rail

Taking the train from coast to coast is nearly impossible and is impractical.

[Tesha]

15. At 200 MPH (typical real-world high-speed rail),...

...that cross-country trip would take 15 hours. That
really isn't that long when you realize that flying takes
6 hours on the plane *PLUS* about two hours at the
originating end and an hour at the arriving end, so 9
hours overall.

9 hours versus 15 isn't so bad, especially when you
consider the TSA and the high quality of high-speed
train accommodations versus cattle-car airplane
coach accommodations.

Tesha

[liberal N proud]

26. Exactly and the ride would be more comfortable

But the keep killing High Speed Rail.

Standard Rail services would take days to cross the country.

[Merlot]

9. No, we don't need to adapt to their policy, they need to change it.

Unless or until we have trains that can go cross country in 5 hours.

[jaxx]

11. What a cop out.

Ask the impossible so you'll never have to back it up.

How many times a week do you fly?

[Merlot]

16. How is demanding they change the policy a cop out?

Deciding to limit my freedom by not flying, and taking the train instead is the true "cop-out."

[jaxx]

17. The demand was put with a 'what if', making neither worth anything.

A cop out, it'll never happen so it's a safe demand.

[Merlot]

24. "What if" or WTF?

But arguing with someone you agree with is so much fun.

[LisaL]

12. There is no train where I am at.

And what exactly is to stop TSA from doing the same things on trains?

[jaxx]

14. Do what others do, use other transportation to the train. It's not hard.

When the TSA starts being at all train stations and setting up devices for security, you let us all know. Until then it's just another false talking point from the gallery.

[superduperfarleft]

18. "It's not hard." Life is incredibly easy when you can't be bothered to put yourself in someone

else's shoes.

[jaxx]

20. Unless the man is personally known, putting ones self in his shoes

is an exercise in wonderland because it's all one big guess.

[superduperfarleft]

21. Actually, it's just called empathy.

Not everyone gets a week off for thanksgiving to take a bus across the country to see family. Not everyone has time to take a week off to take a bus in order to see a dying family member.

But all of this is beside the point. If this was Bush's TSA, you'd be as outraged as anyone.

[jaxx]

22. How very inappropriate.

[superduperfarleft]

23. Yes, your dismissive attitude is. n/t

[Siwsan]

7. Our local airport is scheduled to get a scanner by Spring

I'm flying to San Antonio, in two weeks, for my nephews basic training graduation. I figure that will be my last flight for the foreseeable future.

[EarthFirster]

13. Its a COVER UP!

They want to pass through SB510, so they are doing this nonsense the week of THANKSGIVING!

CALL YOUR SENATOR ON SB510!!

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/4548062-sb-510-a-food-safety-bill-or-something-else-entirely

[KoKo]

19. I was so glad I watched this because from News Reports and even Lib sites like DU I was disheartened

...thinking that NO ONE is doing ANYTHING ABOUT THIS terrible INVASION OF OUR BODY PARTS VIOLATING US AND OUR PRIVACY!

Turns out...from watching this I realize we AMERICANS DO HAVE SOME PUSH BACK. Let's support those groups who are FIGHTING BACK over this.

It's an excellent discussion though about how our Society has changed with all our "Privacy Info" we carry around in our Cell Phones, Lap Tops, etc. when we Travel...and how the Constitution still holds...but we need to UPGRADE how we DEFINE PRIVACY in our New Age where we carry around our Privacy when we Travel.

It was a fascinating discussion from beginning to end with lots of participants and viewpoints.

Hope DU'ers will take the time.

[flyarm]

27. Doesn't matter how angry we get, TPB snub their noses at us and they grease the pockets of those

who put them in power with deep pockets..to hell with our constitution. The Pres, the congress, they don't give a rats ass about rule of law and our rights, they don't care about the bill of rights..they just give us the middle finger and a big F u!

[kas125]

28. All this recent complaining makes me sick, truly. Where were

these people for the last nine years since the damned Patriot Act was signed into law? If they'd been with those of us were protesting and complaining when they started reading our emails and listening to every phone call, maybe there wouldn't be people feeling them up at the airport today.