Why Are Right-Wingers All Up In Arms About The TSA Searches?

[ChoppinBroccoli]

Aren't these the same people who proudly declared that it was A-OK with them if the government tapped their phones because only guilty people had anything to hide?

Well, guess what, A-holes? If you have nothing to hide, why would you object to a body scan and a pat-down/groping?

All of a sudden, right-wingers actually care about their rights now. YOU jerks are the ones who caused all this, with your whole, "rights only protect the guilty" nonsense. Can't you see that this is just the next step down the slippery slope from listening in on your phone conversations? It's ALL a trampling of your rights. It starts with phone taps (and you were hunky-dorey with that), then it goes to security cameras (also fine with you), and before long, you've got people sticking a hand up your ass at the airport (NOW all of a sudden, you're offended). Congratulations, A-holes. You brought this on yourselves.

[ohheckyeah]

1. Ain't that the truth. n/t

[Odin2005]

2. I think it's the kids getting groped thing.

When it becomes your kids that potentially get groped most people get pissed off not matter what their political inclinations.

[ProSense]

12. No health care for kids, but outrage at the TSA.

The RW could not care less about the welfare of children.

[Odin2005]

36. No, they care about kids, it's just that their beliefs about how to do that are simply wrong.

[AllyCat]

47. Sadly, I believe they only care about their own kids.

Everyone else can fend for their own families in the RW worldview.

[loudsue]

15. True that. But our culture has become right vs. left. We're no longer considered

people. Even when there is an issue that UNITES us, there are those who just have to make it seem like we're not just people anymore.

[Matariki]

16. +1

[Bonobo]

3. Because "Right Wing - Left Wing" does not describe everything.

Because they, like you, do not like being trodden upon.

Why not embrace them as allies on this issue, instead of continuing a knee jerk response based on the right wing-left wing dichotomy which, it may just turn out, is a way that the people of America are divided on themselves in order to maintain the status quo?

[Catherina]

13. + 1 n/t

[jancantor]

22. Bingo

Well put.

[tavalon]

25. I completely agree with you

[Odin2005]

39. This post is full of WIN!

:applause:

And quit treating all conservatives as if they were idiot wacko "Movement Conservative" ideologues. As Chomsky often points out, most have legitimate reasons for their grievances, even though their prescriptions for fixing the problem is wrong.

[ProgressIn2008]

40. Thank you, very well put. nt

[spanone]

4. they also SUDDENLY care about the deficit

phony phucks

[RandomThoughts]

5. I been against privacy intrusions and censorship for years.

I was against it back in 2000, and against secret no fly lists that did not have corporate review. I also was against media and Internet Intelligence operations that disseminate wrong information or try to censor.

Been against all that stuff for years, against the black rooms at Microsoft and At&t, against the NSA working with private sector giving preferred citizen cards to capitalist, lots of other stuff.

Against the use of search results, and a few other programs to hurt public opinion, although it could get some politicians to say ridiculous things, it is by bad means not under civilian review.

[csziggy]

6. One of Rand Paul's people was harassed by TSA during the campaign

When returned with the proceeds from a fund raiser in a metal box that set off the scanners, then refused to answer questions about what the money was for.

Logical, since amounts as small as the ~$4700 he had in the box are not restricted in the US and it really was none of TSA's business why he should have that amount of money on him. If it had been me, I would have refused to answer questions from TSA, too.

But I think that was the beginning, then the "enhanced screenings" went into effect and average people decided enough was enough, whether right, left or center.

[azurnoir]

7. it's that it is happening to them they want to see it limited to

only people darker than a medium skin toned brunette with possibly an orange tan exception clause, but as those darker types the baggers would gladly IMO see a 4 week old cavity searched

[jberryhill]

9. +1

[Skittles]

8. because THIS affects THEM

they only give a fuck if it AFFECTS THEM

[Xicano]

14. +1000

Another good point. And by my Dear Skittles. :hi:

[Nay]

32. Yep. Now it's a big deal because it's their crotches getting groped.

As I tried to explain in another thread, too many conservatives couldn't follow an argument far enough (maybe they just lack imagination, I don't know) to see the final results of their previous position, which was "I have nothing to hide so why worry about searches/wiretaps?" The ACLU screamed, civil rights orgs screamed, and they were all painted as un-American pinko dirtbags. Now that conservatives, and their precious families, are being GROPED by total strangers in public, it finally dawns on them. Duh. There's a reason many Dems think conservatives have fewer gray cells.

[Hydra]

42. That's the way it is with most people

And that's how real change happens. People lose their jobs and savings, and suddenly capitalism sucks from their point of view. Someone loses a relative to curable cancer and the insurance company refuses to pay for it. You suddenly have a single-payer supporter. Someone else get drafted, and you get a whole bunch of anti-war advocates.

If we can't change the easy way, nature finds a way to make us.

[ProSense]

10. They want the TSA privatized

That's what the RW talking heads are pushing.

[jmondine]

24. Plus the TSA workers are preparing to unionize

We can't have that now, can we?

[Xicano]

11. +1000

Very well said ChoppinBroccoli. :hi:

[jaysunb]

17. Ever notice who the TSA personel are ?

Lots of Blacks and other minority people who work for about 25k per year.

I mean...how would you feel w/ some other groping your wife or daughter. :evilfrown:

[AllyCat]

48. As angry as I am about this policy, I feel badly for the TSA employees

Can you imagine this being YOUR JOB every day?

[jaysunb]

50. I'd have to walk away...

for my own self respect and those who are the victims.

[PSPS]

18. They view it as a way to 'privatize' it -- more $ for cronies, more $ for them.

Before long, TSA will unionize. That's what they want to avoid, and this is just the convenient pretext. They get a 2-for-1 deal. No union, plus a crony will get the private contract who will then dutifully launder a portion of the profits back to them as "campaign contributions."

I think they should simply abolish the agency. It's sole purpose is to condition the sheeple into living in a police state.

[Marr]

19. Because the President is a Democrat. That's really about it.

If GW Bush were still in the White House, these same people would be saying that being groped by the TSA is just something we have to accept in order to fight the tersts. Lurking freepers-- you know it's true.

But whatever. I'm happy to see voices of any sort added to screaming complaints. This is bullshit.

[orleans]

20. are they up in arms?

honestly, i don't know. i'm not watching msnbc lately and haven't watched fox in years. i'm a bit behind with things

i would think they'd all be happy about this crap--they wanted it, they asked for it, they said *we* were babies to be whining about it.

now they're not happy?

why the hell not?

[Skittles]

26. because there is a real chance THEY will be groped

it's OK if you're targetting, you know, BROWN PEOPLE but OMG if someone does it to THEM - FUCK NO they won't like it

[NNN0LHI]

35. Yes they are. They thought these new procedures were just for dark skinned furinors. See below

http://teaparty.freedomworks.org/forum/topics/government-protection-or-loss?commentId=3578713%3AComment%3A255774&xg_source=activity

Government protection or loss of rights

Our government has decided that they need to see our nude bodies or demand intrusive body searches. They do this all in the name of safety as we fly. There is all this extreme caution at airports, yet not one terrorist has ever been caught by a TSA agent.

The 9/11 hijackers and the so-called Christmas day bomber were not found by TSA agents despite the fact the government had been alerted to the danger prior to the attacks. We know that the average terrorists are Muslim with dark complexions, and are between the ages of 17 and 34. If we know this, why do we have government personnel searching white elderly people and children? They do it in the name of being politically correct. They will pass up the opportunity to search someone fitting the profile of a terrorist and intimately search a child. They are also doing this in their war on drugs that has failed miserably.

[bluedigger]

21. Cognitive dissonance.

Being served at a Tea Party near you!

[tavalon]

23. True enough

But whatever their prior motivation, they finally recognized that their rights are also being trampled upon.

[sabrina 1]

27. Don't complain about it. They were just stooges being loyal to their

team. We have some of those on our side also. And not all of them were okay with the government spying on citizens, just the loudest of them.

It's the ones in charge we need to keep our focus on. And a picture is emerging that is very disturbing. It's beginning to look like maybe those who actually control things in this country use both parties to get things done the way they want them.

Eg, they want to start wars, they use Republicans. Republicans deliver and everyone makes money and they're all happy. But Republicans can't get SS privatized or benefits cut, so they use Democrats for that.

These machines, Bush couldn't get them installed as the civil liberties groups were up in arms and challenged them in court. So, they give the job to Democrats. I wondered why Obama and Napolitano came out in defense of them, now I know, THEY provided the money and the cover, the underwear bomber, the fake story that if only we had those body scanners, when in fact that guy was on the no-fly list, a known threat, escorted onto a plane, given a visa, 'so we don't expose our Al Queda investigation'. Or whateve, but we all know that no scanner would have stopped him because he would never have been scanned, they wanted him on the plane for some reason.

The scare tactics are growing old though, listening to Obama try to scare us into agreeing to sexual assault by telling the fairy tale about the underwear bomber actually made me sad. It reminded me of how I felt when I watched Bush try to scare us into agreeing to the Patriot Act.

Anyhow, so we seem to be on a see-saw, where on party gets part of the agenda done, and the other party works hard to do better for the overlords. But no one is working for us, or for the rightwingers. We have all been deceived.

So now, people are reacting honestly to what they are seeing happening to children and women and disabled people, both sides. This was probably not meant to happen. The people united for once.

Soon, they will realize the danger of a united population and they will try to make this a right/left issue, if we let them.

We should take advantage of the numbers this will give us to stop these abuses. If people wake up and start scaring those who are destroying this country, that would be a good thing. And if Obama wants to join Big Business against the interests of the American people, as he is doing regarding this issue, then I do not feel obliged to defend him. HE should be defending us against these abuses.

And we are not rightwingers who are so loyal to the party, so hate-filled for them, that we will sacrifice our rights to protect a politician. At least I hope not. That politician needs to either remember who he represents, or take his chances with those he chooses to serve. Same goes for all of them. For now, I am happy to see how this issue has angered people across the political spectrum. That alone shows how wrong it is.

[CJCRANE]

43. Good analysis. nt

[Hannah Bell]

28. they;re not noted for the consistency of their positions.

[Turbineguy]

29. Unintended consequences.

RWers like stupid ideas, they just don't like the consequences. Give them time to come up with something even worse.

[backscatter712]

30. When both the right wing and the left wing are howling mad about the TSA...

that means that it's time the TSA knock that shit off.

[avaistheone1]

38. +100000

:kick:

[backscatter712]

31. Oops, dupe! n/t

[Ian David]

33. Conservatives don't want anyone to know they like to do weird things to their junk.

[Generic Brad]

34. I would have thought they'd enjoy the chance to show off their grotesquely big balls

I have been proved wrong.

[barbtries]

37. on some other site

i read a comment that blamed liberals for the TSA's tactics. :shrug:

[sally cat]

44. Is Napolitano a liberal?

[barbtries]

45. what i got out of the comment

was there was a person who has a knee-jerk reaction to anything despicable: liberals' fault. probably a die hard fox news watcher. as far as i'm concerned, napolitano is an asshole. no more no less.

[bluestateguy]

41. I'll tell you why

Because when upper middle class white grandmothers, upper middle class yuppies and businessmen start getting the Full Over from TSA, then the RW will expectedly get upset.

If the same treatment was isolated to include only blacks, Hispanics, foreigners, Arabs and Muslims, you would not hear a peep of protest from our friends on the Right.

[Kablooie]

46. They've been voting away their own rights and income for years, and been proud to do it.

[nonconformist]

49. Because a Democrat is in the White House. That's exactly why.

They want to use this to villainize the left. They were just in love with the Patriot Act. If a Democrat had been in office when it passed, they'd hate it. They're fickle like that.

Same with the Tea Baggers. They honestly have no fucking clue about taxes and deficits. But it doesn't take much to cause righteous indignation in stupid, misinformed people.

I'd bet my house that they'd be defending this if a Republican was president. That's the difference between us and them.