I am sick and tired of the old mantra, "If you haven't done anything wrong, then you have nothing to

[madinmaryland]

worry about".

Bullshit!

If that makes me a libertarian, then so be it. I even thought as Democrats we all could agree on the sanctity of the constitution and the bill of rights. I can understand repubs, as they have been fighting against several of the ammendments over the last few years, trying to erode them. But Democrats?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

1. It was a specious argument to begin with.

:shrug:

[MadMaddie]

2. I usually have this argument with my Republican co-workers

but to have it with Democratic supporters is insane. Unless....they really aren't Democratic supporters....just sayin...

[madinmaryland]

10. Yeah. How things have changed..

:sad:

[Liberal Veteran]

3. If you have nothing to hide...

....then TSA will try to find it anyway.

[HubertHeaver]

8. It's worse than that. The TSA WILL find that which you

didn't know you had to hide.

[laylah]

4. I lost a lifelong friend over this bs...

as well as the fact I could not keep my mouth shut after she had asked me numerous times. :cry:

Jenn

[BrklynLiberal]

5. The world is too Kafkaesque for that to be true anymore.

[MineralMan]

9. So, true. When I looked in the mirror this morning,

I discovered that I had turned into a cockroach. Damned TSA! :rofl:

[BrklynLiberal]

21. lolololol..and Congress is filled with them.....

[madinmaryland]

24. There is a thread in the Lounge about how to deal with cockroaches

in a desktop PC. Might be of interest to you, if you have cockroaches.

:shrug:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=9557493&mesg_id=9557493

[MineralMan]

28. Todas las cucarachas son muertas.

No hay cucarachas. Kafka los mató.

[hobbit709]

6. Damn right.

Things went downhill with Patriot Act or as I call it "Gesetz zur Behebung der Not von Volk und Reich " of 2001.

[MindPilot]

7. The people exonerated by DNA evidence did nothing wrong either.

But despite having nothing to worry about, they still got tried, convicted and imprisoned.

[Dappleganger]

+100000

[Dappleganger]

16. +100000

[Pacifist Patriot]

27. Exoneration by DNA evidence is a bit different from blithely allowing...

access to our emails, libraries to release our borrowing histories, search engines from giving access to our internet activity, TSA agents from scanning/patting down our bodies -- all of which are done without probable cause.

I guess I'm not quite sure what your point is.

[CreekDog]

11. me too

:hi:

[treestar]

12. It's not true anyway

People have been let out of jail when they were later found to be not guilty of crimes.

If you are ever accused of a crime you didn't do, you need a lawyer much more than a guilty person does. Often people assume they don't because they aren't guilty. That assumption turns out to be wrong.

However, this is screening, not criminal investigation. No one is trying to make a case against anyone, but trying to head off an attack. If the TSA did not do it, the airlines would have it, and if privatized, it could be just as much if not worse.

[hobbit709]

15. Try getting off the no-fly list if you have been mistakenly put on it.

We have become a nation of Nervous Nellies afraid of our own shadows instead of a people who were willing to face anything.

[laughingliberal]

20. Yes. Even Ted Kennedy had problems getting off the list. nt

[treestar]

26. Maybe but if courageous and not Nervous Nellies

We would take our death with grace, right, and not sue the government for not preventing it?

It was just the luck of the draw. The TSA or the US government is not to be blamed, right?

[Cleobulus]

32. Where do you draw the line? Will cavity searches be next?

Its not that far different from what's happening now, just have to take things just a little farther.

[Bucky]

13. Simply defending your right to privacy proves you have something to hide.

"Except for me and my monkey!"

 

[Dappleganger]

14. There are plenty of people who have been subjected to illegal search and seizure

and have had their rights violated who did nothing wrong.

Everytime a person refuses to stand up for their constitutional rights the rest of ours are eroded away.

[Initech]

17. How about people who get fired when they rant about their boss on Facebook?

That's a perfect counter-argument to the whole "if you haven't done anything wrong" mantra.

[madinmaryland]

22. There is a guarantee of free speech, but not repercussions from the

words you speak.

Not sure what your point is.

[BrklynLiberal]

23. Welllllllll....if you are so ignorant of the real world that you post crap on your FACEBOOK page

that you think will not get back to your boss.....you are in a totally different situation than being perfectly innocent and getting caught up in some insane set of circumstances that makes you look like a guilty person, or at least treated like a guilty person.

And the horror is that the more you scream about your innocence, the more you are judged as guilty.

Hard to plead innocent when the words are there on your FACEBOOK page.

[Initech]

25. True - Facebook is public domain.

I have a Facebook page - but I never update it for that reason.

[Skittles]

30. that's more about stupidity than fascism

[Still a Democrat]

18. Ironically, people that spout that consider themselves

fervent subscribers to the constitution.

[laughingliberal]

19. K & R nt

[Skittles]

29. anyone who says that

I ask them what the Holocaust victims "did wrong"

[boston bean]

31. use to be anyone who said that here was given a one way pass off of DU. nt

[Festivito]

33. Oh yeah? Did you make a stock trade? Did your retirement plan?

So, your retirement plan moved stuff out of one stock to another.

Someone strangely beat you to the move, and now it is going to be a higher cost. You lose. Your retirement loses.

You have nothing to hide? Nothing? ... only if you are a fool.

[deacon]

34. It's always been a copout line. A shallow justification. used to protect political interests. n/t