This weekend we re-watched Fahrenheit 9/11 with a cousin of my wife

[redirish28]

who was really a real young child during that time and now that she is in High School she is asking questions about events in the movie.


One question which came out was during the 2000 election results being confirmed in the Senate and House and during the event not one Senator sign the paper protesting the results. How is it that not one of the Hundred Senators did not sign the protest? She can understand the Republicans not signing BUT HOW can the Democrats just remain still?

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. It was a coup

and the US died on December 12, 2000 and right now we are seeing what emerges in it's place.

[dflprincess]

2. It was the last act in the coup whose first act was November 22, 1963. n/t

[villager]

5. +1. Alas.

n/t

[Nostradammit]

20. That was one of their pivotal acts, certainly

But they'd been at it for awhile by then.

They shall eventually be exposed for the whole world to see, I believe.
Secrecy has been their ally, but they've tipped the scales too far, and
too many have too much to lose and will resist them and beat them back.
Hopefully sooner than later.

IMHO.

[madmax]

8. That's exactly how I felt. My heart was ripped out.

I lost all faith in this country on that day, I won't ever get that back.

The Felonious Five were ripped in Vincent Bugliosi's book, 'None Dare Call It Treason.' I met him in person, he gave a talk in NYC about their decision, he was so angry I thought he would stroke out any minute.

[madmax]

3. Maxine Waters said, something.... I'm thinking

Something to the effect that no Senator had signed but, she didn't care. I believe she was the only one who spoke out on the floor. Anyone else remember? Buehler?

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. She and the Black Caucus

[madmax]

10. As a group or did they come out one at a time?

The only one I vividly recall is Maxine.

It was only 10 years ago but, it seems like 50. I spent a lot of time following the whole fiasco. The truck with the ballots, the back and forth between the Florida State Court, so much commentary from the talking heads. I thought my head would explode and it did on 12/12/00.

[sueh]

19. They came out one at a time. n/t

[midnight]

12. They are coming after her now.

[Jamastiene]

4. I think Al Gore really set the tone for that.

He accepted the results and told everyone else to accept the results and move on. I don't think any of them were going to go against his wishes on that.

I'm not saying I agree or thought it was the right thing to do at the time, because I was still pissed off. I'm just saying that is what it looked like happened back then.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Not exactly

he said that the other choice after the USSC was open revolution... and he was not willing to do that.

After the USSC, indeed the only thing left was the ammo box.

[madmax]

11. Don't know how accurate 'ReCount' was

but, there is a part in the movie where Gore is on the phone and tells someone (Klein) ? 'do not trash the USSC.'

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. He got it, and I get it

and he was not willing to take the country there.

We also did not take to the streets... we were too shell shocked.

And I am not sure the road to civil war is not there... in fact, we are well on our way to it. So history will be gentle on him only in that sense.

I think that if we the people took to the streets, perhaps it would be a different story... but I don't know.

[madmax]

17. I couldn't believe how no one seemed to care.

I would strike up conversations with strangers in the grocery store or wherever, they all were completely ambivalent about the whole thing. I was stunned.

[Luminous Animal]

24. We in San Francisco took to the streets. Screw the rest of you for leaving us hanging.

[Skittles]

9. it was a DISGRACE

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Congressional_Black_Caucus#Objections_to_the_Electoral_College_Vote_of_2000

[madmax]

14. Thanks for the link, Skittles.

"Objections to the Electoral College Vote of 2000
On January 6, 2001, at the January 6 joint session of the U.S. Congress 19 members of the Congressional Black Caucus (and one other representative) made formal objections to the awarding of Florida's 25 electoral votes to George W. Bush in the 2000 presidential election. An 1887 law which governs electoral vote counting requires at least one U.S. Senator to sign an objection. No member of the 100-member Senate chose to do so.

U.S. Representative Maxine Waters, in giving her objection, stated "I don't care that it is not signed by a senator." Republican applause was triggered when Vice President Al Gore (acting as President of the Senate) responded "The chair would advise that the rules do care." Representative Jesse Jackson Jr., (the son of civil rights leader Jesse Jackson), made a request during his objection for any senator to step forward and sign his protest right then and there.

Following the failure of the objections, almost all of the involved congressmen walked out of the session before the official announcement of the election results. The event received little mainstream media attention at the time, but has received increased notoriety by its inclusion in the Michael Moore documentary film Fahrenheit 9/11." http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Congressional_Black_Caucus#Objections_to_the_Electoral_College_Vote_of_2000

[Skittles]

16. sending ye to the Greatest Page

it should be shouted from the rooftops THE BLACK CAUCUS WAS *RIGHT* - look what they tried to prevent, and NO ONE stood with them :mad:

[redirish28]

13. It's just hard to hear her ask that question. Thank GAWD she had

a teacher that actually taught the Constitution and civics in 9th grade (which when I went to school was taught in 6th grade.)and explained how the Patriot Act and other bill changed these rules and constitutional law.

[kickysnana]

18. 4 of us went to Sen Wellstones office to beg him not to allow the certification...

He had already left for the airport. First one and eventually three of Wellstones Aides came in to talk to us since the standard dismissals were being shot down by four very informed voters. We were told that "There will be no protest. No Democrat will protest because we have made a deal with the Republicans that they will not prosecute Bill Clinton."

Our shocked reply was that Clinton had been fighting this battle a long time and we thought he would rather fight that battle than throw the country to the Republicans. Then they said that they would be working with Republican moderates so that the bad things we had been talking about war, slashing poverty efforts, privacy would not happen. I looked them in the eyes and said "I believe that the Republicans have already killed all the moderates in their party." And that was the end of the discussion.

It was that day that I knew there had been a coup and it is my belief that it continues today. I will not give up and I hope we can bring it back around but every, TSA groping, postponement of Gitmo closing and the war ending, DADT and banksters getting bonuses for fraud makes it look like it will take actions I would rather not speak on a public forum to get our freedom, democracy and prosperity back.

[global1]

21. A Good Question To Ask Bernie Sanders When Thom Hartmann Has Him On.....

with "Brunch With Bernie".

[uppityperson]

22. Al Gore asked them not to. He didn't want it to go on.

What they showed in F9/11 was only part of the story, leading one to believe that none signed because they didn't want to. Al Gore had asked them to not sign.

[JackRiddler]

23. It wasn't his decision to make.

[uppityperson]

25. Not saying right or wrong, just reporting what I had heard happened.

[jeff47]

27. No, but if Al says "don't do it", it's pretty hard to do it for him. (nt)

[Greyhound]

26. In the end, you can count on the ruling class to band together.

That's one reason they are the ruling class. We've seen a couple of exceptions to this rule, but none in our lifetimes.

They made the coup possible out of a misguided sense of loyalty.
:kick: & R