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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 09:58 AM
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This Thanksgiving Week, Remember Those That History Foresakes
1636
PILGRIMS, PURITANS, CHRISTIANS, COLONISTS:

For many in mainstream America, the Pilgrim experience at Plymouth, the abandoned Native village of Pautuxet, marks a beginning. But for others, it marks the beginning of an end. As a rule, the Pilgrims were more scrupulous in dealing with their Native benefactors than those that followed, yet they did not shy from cheating, and swindling their hosts. The Pilgrims, as well as those that followed, engaged in grave robbing, 75). and used deadly force when it suited their needs, irrespective of the tenets and teachings of the Holy Scriptures. The Pilgrims quickly became absorbed into, and became part of, the greater monolith of European colonialism that crushed, exterminated, and exiled the First People of New England.

In 1636, eager to appropriate land belonging to the Pequot people, an alliance was formed with the Narragansett People. Surrounding a Peqout village on the site of present day Mystic, Connecticut, this force promptly set fire to the village and put to the sword all those that attempted escape. In an hours time seven were taken captive, seven escaped and between 600 to 700 lay dead. 31). 77).

William Bradford described the slaughter in these words, "It was a fearful sight to see them thus frying in the fire, and the streams of blood quenching the same, and horrible was the stink and stench thereof; but the victory seemed a sweet sacrifice and they gave praise thereof to God." 1)

The Narragansetts were mortified at the slaughter and pleaded in vain to Captain John Underhill, "It is naught, it is naught, because it is too furious and slays too many men." 1) The humanitarian concerns of the Narragansetts were rebuked. And in their witnessing the slaughter of the Pequot, the Narragansetts saw a portent and vision of what would befall their people in a few short years at the hands of the rapidly expanding colonies.

Underhill would later justify the killing of women and children by quoting the Holy Bible, "Sometimes the Scripture declareth women and children must perish with their parents." 31)

It was not enough to merely slaughter the Pequot people . Hoping to wipe their memory from history, laws were passed making it a crime to even utter the word Pequot. These efforts to shape history have only been partially successful. There are those that remember and are aware.

On December 19th 1675, six days before the celebration of Christmas, an armed force was lead into battle against the once friendly Wampanoag people, at the place that was to become known as, "The Great Swamp Massacre."

The Wampanoags, .were no longer willing to yield land to the rapidly growing colonies. This transgression would be dealt with forcefully. In the early morning hours this army attacked a sleeping village of mostly women, children, and old people. Setting fire to the village homes, and burning the Wampanoag people to death. Over 2000 Wampanoag People were slaughtered at this place.

One Christian soldier, sickened by the stench of burning flesh and horrified by the screams of the dying,, asked of his commander, "Is burning alive, men, women, and children, consistent with the benevolent principles of the Gospel?" 12).

Increase Mather rejoiced in his writing, that when survivors of this massacre "....came to see the ashes of their friends, mingled with the ashes of their fort.... where the English had been doing a good day's work, they Howl'd, they Roar'd, they Stamp'd, they tore their hair,.... and were the pictures of so many Devils in Desperation." 31)

The leader of the Wampanoag, Metacomet, a man the colonists called King Phillip, was killed shortly afterward. The body of Metacomet was drawn and quartered. Metacomet's severed head, was impaled on a iron spike which was driven into the ramparts of a bridge. This ghastly trophy remained upon the bridge for the next twenty years, a warning to those that might oppose the will and wishes of the Colonists. 12)

Those Wampanoag, unfortunate to be captured alive, were placed on a slave ship bound for the Bahama's and sold into slavery, yielding a handsome profit for the colonies. Metacomet's wife and children were among those sent into slavery. They were never to see their homeland again.

Many rationalize the wars between the colonists and their Native neighbors as conflicts that resulted from two cultures that did not understand one another. This thinking is often stated along with the idea that if the Native People would have just adapted to the "superior" culture of the European people then all conflict would have been mitigated. Examination of the "Blue Laws," refutes this thinking.

The "Blue Laws" were designed not to "elevate" the Native People to the European concept of civilization but rather to reduce Native People to a level less than human. Among the various "Blue Laws" were statutes whose intent was to reduce social association of White and Native People.

Many within colonial communities, found the Native way of life more desirable than that of their own. These "converts" lived with and adopted the dress and life-ways of their Native neighbors. To eliminate this threat from within, the "Blue Laws" forbade the wearing of Native dress, they forbade the practice of Native spiritual belief by both White AND Native Peoples, it was forbidden to wear ones hair long in the fashion of the Native People. Those that were convicted of violating these laws could expect the death penalty. 31) 1)

But perhaps most telling of all, in part as a result of the legacy of the "Blue Laws", the Massachusetts legislature in 1789 passed a law that forbade the teaching of reading and writing to the Native People. Violators of this law were also subject to the penalty of death. 1)

Today America recoils in horror as it examines the religious extremism and intolerance of the Taliban legacy in Afghanistan. But we forget that we once had a Taliban in America, they were called Pilgrims, Puritans, and Colonists, and we honor and feast their memory each year at the holiday of Thanksgiving.

It is an ironic facet of the American Myth that the Pilgrims and Puritans are popularly held forth as an example of a people setting out in search of religious tolerance and cultural freedom. In truth these Europeans set out for a place were they would ultimately enforce their own version of religious, cultural and political correctness upon others.

While there was a degree of cultural misunderstanding between the colonists and their Native benefactors, the understanding that did exist was far more complete than many would have us believe. But one conclusion is inescapable. The colonists understood that Native People stood in the way of their appropriation of land needed for expansion of the growing colonies. The Pilgrims, the Puritans, and their compatriots, like the other European people that followed them to America, would use any excuse, any method conceivable to take the land they desired.

http://www.brotherhooddays.com/HEROES.html#The Pilgrimsom
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 10:05 AM
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1. I'm guessing this will be roundly ignored. K&R
Oh, and we still allow those aggressively deluded folks free reign, to our great detriment.
:kick: & R

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kgnu_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 10:55 AM
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6. Lost history need to be uncovered for the future generation so we may learn from it
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 10:08 AM
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2. K&R. n/t
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kgnu_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 10:12 AM
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3. Crazy Horse, We Hear What You Say ..
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 01:21 PM
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9. Those AreTwo of the Best Songs Ever Written
along with "Bombs Over Baghdad,"
"Death rays come from Queen George's eyes."

mike kohr
International Brotherhood Days
http://www.brotherhooddays.com
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 10:19 AM
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4. K and R
by a Mayflower descendant.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 02:46 PM
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11. that's pretty sad
see below.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 10:21 AM
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5. K&R.......

:kick:

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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 11:03 AM
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7. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, mikekohr.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 11:04 AM
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8. K&R
Edited on Mon Nov-22-10 11:05 AM by AsahinaKimi
For my good friend Marc who is Lakota. (I have decided to have Chinese roast duck for T~Day.)
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 01:56 PM
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10. Do we have to have another hack history to celebrate Thanksgiving?
Edited on Mon Nov-22-10 02:07 PM by hfojvt
Oh those murderous Pilgrims. They attacked the Wampanoag on 19 Dec 1675.

Let's not mention the Pilgrims who were killed by Wampanoag. This didn't happen as part of a war, a war started by King Phillip, as the Native American chief was called. Here's part of the build up.

"Rhode Island, alarmed at the state of affairs, made ineffectual attempts to compromise the
matter and bring Philip to an agreement. Deputy Governor Easton of that colony, and five others,
including Samuel Gorton, met Philip and his chiefs at Bristol Neck Point on the 17th of June, and
(1673) proposed that the quarrel and all matters in contention should be arbitrated. It might be
well, was the reply, but that all the English agreed against them. Many square miles of land
were taken from them by English arbitrators."

from this book "King Phillip's War by George william Ellis and John Emery Morris 1906"

Here's how the Black Commentator website summed it up "After a series of settler provocations in 1675, the Wampanoag struck back, under the leadership of Chief Metacomet, son of Massasoit, called King Philip by the English. Metacomet/Philip, whose wife and son were captured and sold into West Indian slavery, wiped out 13 settlements and killed 600 adult white men before the tide of battle turned."

I am guessing that if the Native Americans "wiped out 13 settlements" that some women and children were killed there too, and not just "600 white men". But I guess the Pilgrims are just blood-thirsty savages for fighting back.


Then there's the Pequot war. According to this article it was about the Pilgrims being "eager to appropriate land".

Here's a partial timeline of events leading up to the war.

"1634
Captain John Stone killed by western Niantics, a tributary tribe of the Pequots. Circumstances of the attack unclear.

July 1636
Conference at Fort Saybrook of Connecticut and Massachusetts Bay officials with representatives of Western Niantics and Pequots. English colonists reassert demands of 1634 treaty. Sassious, Western Niantic sachem, pledges loyalty and submission to English. John Oldham and crew killed by Narragansetts or a subject tribe off Block Island. Narragansett sachems Canonchet and Miantonomo condemn the murder and offer reparations. Miantonomo leads party to Block Island to exact vengeance. Canonchet and Miantonomo promise not to ally selves with Pequots in any dispute between English and Pequots.


23 April 1637
Attack on settlers working in field near Wethersfield, in retribution for confiscation of land belonging to Sowheag, a sachem. Seven to nine settlers are killed and two girls are taken captive.

Late spring 1637
Colonists become increasingly alarmed. Plymouth, Massachusetts, and Connecticut colonies decide to fight Pequots together."


I would note a couple of things here 1) settlers attacked and killed, 2) girls taken captive, and 3) "colonists became increasingly alarmed".

From where I sit, it looks like a case could be made that the Pilgrims were fighting BACK and not just engaging in land theft and agression. If the Pilgrims were not all angels, neither were they all demons, just looking for an excuse to steal and kill.

Or should we post something about the savages who "wiped out 13 settlements and killed 600 adult white men"?

Nah, racism against non-whites is wrong.
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 06:15 PM
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14. Native People Defended themselves When Threatened, Cheated and Swindled
There is no crime in self defense.

You choose not to address the "Blue Laws," whose intent was to denigrate the status of Native People to a level less than that of a human. Perhaps you might wish to address the Sepratist community's treatment of Thomas Morton.

Thomas Morton: threatened the Separatist way of life by recognizing Native People as human. Morton's principled beliefs caused him to suffer the disgrace of deportation in 1628 from the Pilgrim community for his sins of embracing the humanity of his fellow man.

It is important to recognize and honor the heroic defiance of people like Thomas Morton, just as we must also remember and reflect on mankind's collective sin of inhumanity to our fellow man. By not acknowledging, by not remembering, by not reflecting on past sins, we are sure to repeat them.

If you wish to find a balance to the dark side of Indian/White relations that is documented above, I urge you to view another page on our site, "Heroes History Forgot." http://www.brotherhooddays.com/forgottenheroes.html
This page was started in recognition of the need to convey the message that not all European People bent to the tyranny of the prejudice of their time and of the larger society.



I suggest you read the following sources:

"LIES MY TEACHER TOLD ME"
National bestseller by JAMES W. LOEWEN

"500 NATIONS"
video produced by Kevin Costner

THE EARTH SHALL WEEP"
By James Wilson

The Native Americans, an Illustrated History.
by David Hurst Thomas, Jay Miller, Richard White, Peter Nabokov, Philip J. Deloria with introduction by Alvin M. Josephy/ Turner Publishing 1993



mike kohr
International Brotherhood Days
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 03:15 AM
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20. ah, the old double standard
thus, the slaughter of Pequot at Mystic is justified because the colonists were just defending themselves from murderous savages.

I didn't address the blue laws because I do not know that much about them, and second, there's not really space to address everything.

You didn't seem to address much of what I wrote either. I think I already provided a little bit of balance to your "documented" story.

Funny thing about Loewen, he closed his chapter on Thanksgiving with this "The Pilgrims' courage in setting forth in thw late fall to make their way on a continent new to them remains unsurpassed. In their first year, the Pilgrims, like the Indians, suffered from diseases, including scurvy and pneumonia; half of them died. It was not immoral of the Pilgrims to have taken over Patuxet. They did not cause the plague and were as baffled as to its origins as the stricken Indian villages. Massasoit was happy that the Pilgrims were using the bay, for the Patuxet, being dead, had no more need for the site. Pilgrim-Indian relations started reasonably positively. Plymouth, unlike many other colonies, usually paid the Indians for the land it took. In some instances Europeans settled in Indian towns because Indians had invited them, as protection against another tribe or a nearby competing European power. In sum, U.S. history is no more violent and oppressive than the history of England, Russia, Indonesia, or Burundi - but neither is it exceptionally less violent.

The antidote to feel-good history is not feel-bad history but honest and inclusive history." Lies pp 96-97

Yet it seems you are only offering feel bad history. Sorry, I am not buying it.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 04:48 AM
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24. Exactly.
Honest and inclusive.

:thumbsup:

White-washing any group or culture in our collective history doesn't do any good.
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 12:57 AM
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28. Read the web page to the end, I offer exactly what you suggest
http://www.brotherhooddays.com/HEROES.html

-------------------------Clip from end of page------------------------------------------------------------
James Loewen writes, "The antidote to feel-good history is not feel-bad history, but honest and inclusive history." This web page, by it's nature and practical limitations of space and brevity cannot fulfill Mr.. Loewen's more expansive goal of inclusiveness. For that, on our "Sources" page, http://www.brotherhooddays.com/sources2.html I urge readers of this site to obtain copies of the quoted research materials.

If you wish to find a balance to the dark side of Indian/White relations that is documented above, I urge you to view another page on our site, "Heroes History Forgot." http://www.brotherhooddays.com/forgottenheroes.html This page was started in recognition of the need to convey the message that not all European People bent to the tyranny of the prejudice of their time.
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But in the end one can not come away from an examination of the record with out acknowledging that every error and excess committed by Native People was carried out in defense of their land, cultre and existence. Every transgression committed by European People against Native People was committed in the spirit of dispossession, removal and extirpation. Might does not make right.

"In our losing we found honor, in your winning you found shame."
-Indian Drums-
from the album "Bitter Tears," by Johnny Cash

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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 02:21 PM
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32. Wow.
"But in the end one can not come away from an examination of the record with out acknowledging that every error and excess committed by Native People was carried out in defense of their land, cultre and existence."

How naive and ethnocentric.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 06:21 PM
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16. Sorry, but all bets were off when --
the illegal immigrant pilgrims set foot on the Peoples land, :shrug:
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 12:43 AM
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17. Illegal Immigrant Sign
?


mike kohr
International Brotherhood Days
www.brotherhooddays.com
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 04:49 AM
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25. The Peoples?
So the Native Americans were one single monolithic group in their behavior, culture and reaction to the incoming Europeans?
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 01:41 AM
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30. No. Take the Cherokee for example:
Edited on Wed Nov-24-10 01:45 AM by mikekohr
Many of Cherokee attempted to live as their new neighbors to avoid the fate of those tribes that actively resisted the taking of their land. The Cherokee became too sucessful for their own good.
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THOMAS JEFFERSON: "I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just."

In 1808, a delegation of Cherokee people, pleaded with President Jefferson to make them citizens, so that they could be granted protection from renegade whites, that were robbing their farms, and business', and killing their people. Jefferson, the father of our democracy, denied their request. 1).

Jefferson wrote that the United States should, "...now to pursue them to extermination, or to drive them to new seats beyond our reach." http://www.eyapaha.org

As President, Jefferson suggested that Indian Chiefs be encouraged to go into debt to government trading houses so that the debt could be then paid for by forcing the Indians to cede their lands to the United States. 64).

Located on Jefferson's slave plantation of Monticello, were burial mounds that contained the remains of thousands of Native People. Jefferson disinterred many of these bodies to satisfy his curiosity in anthropology. The descendants of these unearthed dead however, were less than satisfied with this behavior.

Jefferson defended his looting of Indian graves with the words, "The dead have no rights." 64).

ANDREW JACKSON: Defying the Supreme Court, as President, he forced the removal of the Choctaw and Cherokee Nations to Oklahoma on the Trail of Tears. Nearly one in four, or over 4000 Cherokee perished on this death march. 31). 1). 12). 11).

The Choctaw fared better. Only one in seven perished, or approximately 2500 men, women and children. To add insult to injury the Choctaw were forced to pay the cost of, $5,097,367.50 for their own removal. Their land in Mississippi was sold for $8,095,614.89. The balance, $2,998,000.00, was kept by the US government. 71).

Jackson felt that conditions of the Cherokee removal, the "Trail of Tears," was so desirable that he noted, "How many thousands of our own people would gladly embrace the opportunity of removing to the West on such conditions?" 64). Let the record show that no U.S. citizen took Jackson up on his offer.
--------------------------------------------end of clip---------------------------------------------------------------

If there was monolithic behavor it was directed against those that occupied the land before an advancing wave of newcomers.

mike kohr
International Brotherhood Days
http://www.brotherhooddays.com/HEROES


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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 02:23 PM
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33. Like I said.
"If there was monolithic behavor it was directed against those that occupied the land before an advancing wave of newcomers."

Naive and ethnocentric.
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:14 PM
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34. Rationalization and sanitation ='s denial
"The Truth Will Make You Free." -John 8:32-
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kgnu_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 03:48 PM
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12. I have been volunteering during the holiday season, feel much better than exercising overt gluttony
Of course, am getting together with friends and family for sharing quality time. True spirit of gratitude for this life does not have to justify and defend the murderous bloody history of this country.

I will not forget and I will not forsake.

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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 03:55 PM
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13. K&R. nt
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 06:18 PM
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15. We still suffer from seriously bad karma --
from what we did (do) to the Native Peoples. :(
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 12:56 AM
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19. a country based on genocide and slavery... some seriously bad karma, indeed.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 12:46 AM
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18. Kicking it for the truth ...
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 03:46 AM
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22. Peggy, it is not truth
unfortunately people accept it without digging any deeper. It's only propaganda meant to try to make white people feel guilty about the past.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 03:45 AM
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21. I have ancestors on the Mayflower and Native Americans
my policy has always been to embrace the history in its entirety...


All the beauty AND ugliness is what makes us Americans anyway.

The flag wavers tend to forget that.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 03:48 AM
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23. too bad the OP is not telling an entirety
I don't see any need to embrace propaganda.
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 12:18 AM
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26. What seems to matter most is the great silence, the denial of any holocaust."
These are the words of Carter Revard, -Osage- a descendant of holocaust survivors.

Following are the words of a survivor of a more recent Holocaust:

The danger lies in forgetting."
-Eli Wiesel-

He who rationalizes and sanitizes history also diminishes, debases and denies it.

see also:
American Holocaust, The Conquest of the New World.
By David E. Stannard published by Oxford University Press

mike kohr
International Brotherhood Days
http://www.brotherhooddays.com
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 12:21 AM
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27. "American history is longer, larger, more various, more beautiful, and more terrible than anyone has
"ever said about it." -James Baldwin-

mike kohr
International Brotherhood Days
http://www.brotherhooddays.com/HEROES.html

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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:43 AM
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31. Exactly
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 01:00 AM
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29. Meh, this native american squaw doesn't hold grudges.
The conquest was meant to be. It is what it is. I like indoor plumbing, air conditioning and supermarkets. Even though caves in the mountains of AZ are quite enchanting. ;)
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