TRIVIA: which US airport did the underwear bomber's flight originate from?

[frylock]

BONUS QUESTION: which US airport did the shoe bomber's flight originate from?

[liberal N proud]

1. Neither originated in the US

[oberliner]

2. Amsterdam - not any US airport

Paris - again not any US airport

[joeybee12]

3. Why do you hate America?

:evilgrin:

[Fumesucker]

5. And more to the point... Why does the OP hate Obama?

:evilgrin: ^2

[Mimosa]

4. And which 'frontline security' put a stop to the attempt? n/t

[NNN0LHI]

6. Which US airport did the last suicidal nut to crash a plane into a building originate from?

[enlightenment]

8. Georgetown Municipal Airport

outside of Austin, Texas.

I'd bet they don't have body scanners - not that it would have helped.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. No and that is a major obvious hole

[rexcat]

13. And there has not been an incident since...

so it appears whatever the TSA was doing seemed to work prior to the use of ionizing radation on a large segment of the US population and pat downs that ammount to sexual assult.

What is your point?

[NNN0LHI]

26. My point is that there is no guarantee that the next suicidal nut bent on going out with a bang ...

... will be coming from overseas. Just like Joe Stack.

Was it really all that complicated to figure that out?

Don

[rexcat]

27. I understand your point (to a point) but...

the guy who flew the plane into the building was flying a small private plane and there is nothing that could have been done to stop him, not even if TSA had been doing security checks at the private airport where if flew out of. What is happening at US airports in the name of security is total insanity. We are now required to have a strip search or be molested to get on a commercial plane. What next, cavity searches? We will never be 100% safe flying. That became apparent on 9/11/2001. I don't put my trust in the TSA. For the most part it is up to the flight crews and passengers to try to avert some asshat in the cabin from trying to bring a plane down.

As one poster stated the TSA knew of the underwear bomber for almost a year and they just started the publicity blitz recently and then changing the security procedures at the possible detriment of health to the frequent flier and air crews. This does not look like an organization that is proactive, more like reactive at a snail's pace. The TSA also knew cargo was an issue and until the bombs disguised as printer cartridges werer brought to the publics attention nothing had been done to screen cargo. It is just like our sea ports. They are open to just about anything.

[rexcat]

28. I understand your point (to a point) but...

the guy who flew the plane into the building was flying a small private plane and there is nothing that could have been done to stop him, not even if TSA had been doing security checks at the private airport where if flew out of. What is happening at US airports in the name of security is total insanity. We are now required to have a strip search or be molested to get on a commercial plane. What next, cavity searches? We will never be 100% safe flying. That became apparent on 9/11/2001. I don't put my trust in the TSA. For the most part it is up to the flight crews and passengers to try to avert some asshat in the cabin from trying to bring a plane down.

As one poster stated the TSA knew of the underwear bomber for almost a year and they just started the publicity blitz recently and then changing the security procedures at the possible detriment of health to the frequent flier and air crews. This does not look like an organization that is proactive, more like reactive at a snail's pace. The TSA also knew cargo was an issue and until the bombs disguised as printer cartridges werer brought to the publics attention nothing had been done to screen cargo. It is just like our sea ports. They are open to just about anything.

[LibDemAlways]

7. If we had any intelligence worth a damn, the guy would have been caught

since his own father squealed on him to Nigerian officials who took him to the CIA prior to the attempt. This was a failure on the part of the US government, but rather than owe up to it and try to do better, the entire flying public has to have their genitals groped. It's absurd, ludicrous, and a violation of the Constitution.

[ProudDad]

9. They originated from countries where...

the citizens are not the kind of sheep who would allow this bullshit...

Even if it had been able to find what the alleged "bomber" was packing away in his jeans...

By the way:

1) Who knew that the "hijackers" were going to try something like 9/11/01?

TRICK question...

The Clinton and bush Administrations, FBI and CIA knew!


2) How many domestically originating jetliners have been brought down by the "evil doers" since 9/11/01?

Another Trick question

NONE...NOT ONE FUCKING PLANE, OK? OK!!!



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But, just like the famous WMDs in Iraq, this has NOTHING to do with "security" and everything to do with intimidation...

For reasons of "population control" and CYA, Obama, Janet and their minions have devised a bit higher (obtrusive, degrading) wall...so anyone who REALLY wants to down an airliner will just build a slightly higher ladder...

THERE IS NO DEFENSE THAT CAN'T INEVITABLY BE OVERCOME!!!

But they haven't, have they? Except for a couple amateurish attempts from OVERSEAS originated flights, they haven't even tried.

So where are the WMDs?

Nope, not under here. Nope, not in this guy's crotch or this woman's labia or this man's colostomy bag or this child's training bra...

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The USAmerican Sheeple (especially) thanks to the hucksters of the consumer/bankster "economy" have mislaid any lingering awareness of a fundamental fact of life; NO ONE GETS OUT OF IT ALIVE... Being sold a phony bill of goods of eternal youth and perfect safety they're willing to destroy their quality of life for a bullshit promise of "safety"...

When I was raised up, we had some courage...too bad it's gone...

It bears repeating that,

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." B. Franklin

That should be our motto in Police State USAmerica -- but apparently, it isn't...

[ProudDad]

10. +1000

I was going to post something like this (my previous post maybe)...

It's NICE to not be alone... :hi:

Gotta keep this one kicked so the sheeple can see it!

[Fleshdancer]

11. Exactly.

In fact, the last act of terrorism with a plane that originated in the US happened to be a private plane that flew in the a building here in Austin. You're off your rocker if you think people with private planes are suddenly getting groped by TSA now.

When we do look at the various failed attempts in recent history (underwear bomber, shoe bomber, or even the idiot who wanted to blow up the SUV in Times Square) they all have two things in common: 1. Terrorists are usually not the evil masterminds our books and movies make them out to be, and 2. No amount of scanners or groping will EVER be as effective as people who use their eyes, their ears, their sense of smell, and basic human intuition. Actually, had PEOPLE who voiced their concerns regarding the 9/11 terrorists before the attack been taken seriously (and if the government would have shared with the public that credible threats against Americans were made) then maybe it wouldn't have happened.

[jberryhill]

12. Trivia - What standards apply to ALL foreign-originated flights to the US

I gather you don't travel abroad much, but the fact of the matter is that US regulations require that any flight flying to the US have its passengers screened in accordance with TSA approved methods.

So, yes, at Frankfurt, Schiphol, etc., there is a secondary screening before boarding US flights, in order to meet TSA standards.

It's been that way for a while.

[frylock]

14. and yet that didn't prevent him from boarding a plane..

fascinating.

[jberryhill]

19. Which is why they have increased scrutiny

Everything can't be rolled out everywhere at the same time.

However, the body scanners were first deployed at Heathrow, not in the US.

Your point is that last year's method did not stop the undie bomber from boarding a plane.

That is correct. It is why the TSA has gone with tighter standards.

At some point, someone is going to have to do a real risk/cost benefit analysis. The problem is that people do not grasp statistical methods very well, so if one out of a gazillion flights a year is the subject of an attack of some kind, people freak out over it.

So, instead, we get this insane notion of chasing diminishing returns.

[frylock]

21. correct me if i'm wrong, but it's my understanding the the underpants bomber skirted security..

and that, in fact, he was escorted on the plane by someone from the state department.

[jberryhill]

24. Ah, the Kurt Haskell story

Yes, if you read Alex Jones' stuff, that may be your understanding.

I like how it has now morphed into "escorted on the plane by someone from the state department".

That story gets better every time I hear it.

[benddem]

16. same standards?

I've flown into the states from Dublin, Cancun, Brisbane and Aukland and never once did I take off my shoes, be patted down or have any other stupid things done to me. In Australia they have these lovely little beagles that are about 10 feet from you and can smell explosives and drugs. I don't recall what they did in the other places. In Dublin the Irish and English passengers were fingerprinted and photographed creating a huge line and a lengthy process.

[Fleshdancer]

20. Good point...

I often feel a little confused when flying out of foreign countries because I don't know if I can keep my shoes on or not. I do recall seeing more dogs overseas though, but usually they're in the baggage carousel area.

[SheilaT]

15. Frylock is obviously making the point

that the current TSA practices are totally irrelevant, since the underwear bomber did NOT board in the U.S.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. None

The last breach was on 911

And people who know advocate el al as an example.

[unblock]

22. talk about generals fighting the last war!

i rather strongly object to the latest tsa policies, not simply due to the obnoxiousness and insensitivity to the humanity and dignity of the passengers, but due to the sheer ineffectiveness of the procedures in the context of security and safety as a whole. millions of dollars and massive humiliations poured into preventing one narrow, particular terrorist tactic, while any actual terrorist could surely find far easier ways of killing many people.

but objecting to the various procedure on the grounds that the last time they were tried it was from a foreign airport is just silly. if the security procedure were reasonable, we would need to implement it when boarding u.s. flights. the problem is that the security procedure is not reasonable, not that it's being done in the wrong airports.

[unblock]

23. (dup)

[ashling]

25. TIs this a trick question?

:LOL: