President Palin?

[Cyrano]

Quit the scoffing. Not only can it happen, it just might.

Any country that elected Ronald Reagan – twice – and let George W. steal it twice – (appointed in Florida by the Supreme Court and “winning” in Ohio with tampered election machines and uncounted votes). If you don’t think Palin could become our next president, you’re in denial.

Yes, she’s not qualified. Yes, she lacks knowledge. Yes, her judgment is non-existent. Yes, she’s a total airhead. Yes, she’s a demigod. Yes, she’s shrewd enough to know exactly what she’s doing. And yes, there are millions who would vote for her.

Many of us are disappointed (at the very least) with Obama. But he’s a disappointment. He’s not insane.

That next election is only two years away. And if you think that Palin cannot get elected and even win, then you haven’t been paying attention to the dumbing down of America.

IMO, there are enough imbeciles who would vote for her and put her right into the Oval Office. I hope this never happens, but if you think it might happen, I’d love to hear your perspective.

So lets hear from everyone who thinks that Palin could beat President Obama. And let's hear why.

[democrat_patriot]

1. She's the reason they lost in 2008. Yet she can win in 2012?

Please.

[Cyrano]

3. My greatest wish demorat_patriot, is that I could disagree with you.

[onehandle]

10. She's not the reason they lost but, she added to the loss greatly.

Loser grifter quitter.

[spin]

37. No, she is not the reason McCain lost...

Have you forgotten recent history, already?

The economy drifted off the road and ended in the ditch under Bush the Junior. McCain was a worn out old politician who had lost his Mojo. Obama was a charismatic young candidate with a believable message of real change.

There was no real contest between the two. People were fired up in their support for Obama and even the conservatives were disgusted at the way the Republicans had deserted their basic principals and spent money like "drunken sailors".

Why did John McCain lose?

Let's start with those "headwinds" into which he was flying.

The president of the United States, the leader of his party, was at Nixon-Carter levels of approval, 25 percent, going into Election Day.

Sixty-two percent of the nation thought the economy was the No. 1 issue, and 93 percent thought the economy was bad. Two-thirds of the nation thought the war McCain championed was a mistake, and 80 percent to 90 percent thought the country was on the wrong course.

As a political athlete, measured by charisma and communications skills, McCain is not even in the same league with Barack Obama. He was outspent by vast sums, and his political organization was far inferior.

It is a wonder McCain was even competitive, dealt such a hand.

Yet, by Sept. 10, McCain, thanks to Sarah Palin, whose selection had proven a sensation, had come from eight points behind to take the lead, and Joe Biden was wailing that maybe Hillary would have been a better choice for Obama.

Then came the collapse of Lehman Brothers, the bailout of AIG, McCain's assertion that the economy was fundamentally sound, and his panicked return to Washington to assist Bush and Hank Paulson push through a wildly unpopular bank bailout -- using 700 billion in tax dollars to buy up rubbish paper the idiot bankers had put on their books.

The Establishment's Man had come to save the Establishment.

Suddenly, it was McCain who was down 10 points, as the feline and feral press went on a wilding attack on Sister Sarah. He never recovered, though the McCain-Palin final push left egg on the faces of pollsters who were predicting a double-digit triumph for Obama.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/11/why_did_john_mccain_lose.html

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. I don't remember who said this, but it's a good point:

There's a big difference between a disappointing friend and a mortal enemy. Palin and her ilk are mortal enemies.

A country that could "elect" G.W. Bush twice is capable of all sorts of fuckery, including electing a brain-dead grifter like Palin. It may not be likely, but considering the unfortunate history of recent elections it's not impossible. We can laugh at her, but we also need to watch her and her teabagger supporters very carefully.

I can't imagine the consequences of that lunatic having the nuclear launch codes.

[Cyrano]

4. That's terrifying. "... that lunatic having the nuclear launch codes."

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

23. Kinda makes your blood run cold, doesn't it?

She's stupid and bellicose, a very bad combination. Even GWB wasn't stupid or crazy enough to use nukes. But I suspect Palin is, and would.

[thereismore]

20. Bill Maher. nt

[DFab420]

5. Stop it.

It won't happen.

Seriously I know we would like to believe the boogeyman is real, and that the worst case scenario is just around the corner, etc etc.

BUT this will NEVER happen.

If you really believe she can win then you must take a closer look aat the politics of the situation. Not just the media hype and the 24/7 wash cycle we put ourselves through. But the actual politics of the situation, you will see that while she may run, she won't get the nod for the nomination, POTUS or VPOTUS.

The list of major players who are actually still IN politics is too long:

Romeny
Paul
Gringrich
Perry

(more @ http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2012-republican-presidential-candidates-abc-news-guidebook/story?id=12164311&page=4)

Even if she did run she would get eaten alive.

Her political capital is null and void. Even her own home state wouldn't go for her.

Sarah Palin is nothing but a foil, a sour pill each republican well have to swallow and pass. But she will NEVER reach a higher office then Queen of the Annoying Facebook Page.


I understand it's easy to believe that because she's always in the news and around the internets. But if you look at the REAL WORLD politics of it. It's just not there.

[Cyrano]

13. I want so much to agree with you.

There's an epidemic of ignorance in America. Perhaps it was always there, but it has infected our country in a way I've never seen in my lifetime.

At one time, I would have believed that a Palin could never occupy the Oval Office. But that belief has been destroyed by seeing totally incompetent imbeciles occupying that office through votes or theft.

Don't get too lost in you beliefs. Pay attention to the REAL WORLD. Or at the very least, pay attention to the possibility that there are enough deluded people in this country to put Sarah Palin into the White House.

[DFab420]

24. There is an epidemic

That I will give you. But I honestly believe these people have been here all along, they now just have an organization they were to dumb to put together before.

However, I think if we follow the MONEY, which is unfortunate that we must, but this time it will be the saving grace.

The RNC is broke, only having Rove and his power players, at the main source of corporate fundraising.

The Chamber of Commerce may like Sarah Palin on the face of things, but I'm sure they are far more senior politicians that they are much more comfortable funding.

Palin has burned too many establishment bridges with her mid-term endorsements, if and when she runs, alot of the old boys club of the GOP are going to do nothing but take shots at her.

I'm not saying she isn't a powerful influence on a bunch of below-average thinkers, but when the dollars (and votes) meet the road, it won't be Palin to whom they're heading.

[AlinPA]

18. What I see is the teabaggers smacking down the senate minority leader and "primarying"

people like Bennett and Castle and threatening others. The republican leadership is now Palin, Paul and DeMint. Rove is trying to get power back.

[DFab420]

25. Oops

I meant to reply to this post as well in my above post.

Rove has the money that the GOP needs, when push comes to shove, Rove has his chubby little fingers in too many pies.

[Flying Dream Blues]

26. If anything, Perry is scarier than Palin. And more electable...

apparently the ignorant Dumbf#*@istanians will come out for him in droves. See most recent election in Texas.

[DFab420]

27. Right?

There are much bigger fish to fry then some reality tv star/half term governor of a state that doesn't even like her.

[RKP5637]

6. I think it's very possible. This is a very ignorant nation. And many people do not

engage their brains when they vote, and others are too apathetic to even vote. Many will vote for her like they are voting for American Idol and/or Dancing With The Stars. I predict a potentially very grim future for this country.

I agree, while we might not always agree with Obama, he is not insane and it's a very capable and brilliant person.

This is an extremely dumbed down nation, and the MSM has a love affair with Palin. The R's would push her in to use her for a tool.

If she is in, I also suspect we will be in one or two more wars.

[hamsterjill]

7. Agreed.

I shudder to even think of Palin being a possibility, but she IS in my view. She is because all of the arguments on the up-posts about why she WON'T get elected require intelligent thought. Her followers (as you well point out) don't think. They act, out of fear, out of anger, out of loyalty.

Please, I hope that all of the people who say she cannot possibly be elected are correct. I woke up every day of the Bush Administration wondering what that nerd-brain was going to do to us next. I lived in fear and disgust for eight years. I knew how he'd messed up Texas, and I knew he was going to mess up the whole country. I cannot imagine that stress being even worse, but it would be if Palin were elected. Palin is not only stupid, but she's stupid AND bold. She's one of those people who are too stupid to realize that they are stupid!

[AlinPA]

16. I concur.

[lpbk2713]

8. She'd better have a capable Vice-Prez.

She'll quit before the first half of her (only) term is up.

[AlinPA]

14. They will run Rubio with her to try to suck up Hispanic votes.

[Lance_Boyle]

9. demigod? --> demagogue

[Cyrano]

19. Yep. Thanks. My bad.

[driver8]

11. I cannot imagine the "rethuglican task masters" allowing her to win the nomination.

Rove would pull every trick in the book to keep this from happening.

[AlinPA]

15. The teabaggers control their party now.

[AlinPA]

12. Yes. 1. The SC decision on campaign funding. Not a few billion , but 10's of billions.

2. The country is influenced by the media more than ever before. She has a TV show, a daughter on DWTS, is a commentator on Fox "news" and is headlined every time she says anything.
3. As far as her nomination goes, the teabaggers now control the republican party. They will own the convention. Look how they smacked down McConnell on earmarks.
4. Yes, Americans are more dumbed down now and will be wanting "change" with an entertaining person.
5. The mantra "she is just like us".

[Warpy]

17. Quite frankly. she could, but she'd need the same kind of help

they gave Stupid. Since too many states out there still have DREs and other hackable voting systems, it's entirely possible.

I don't think she can win a legitimate election. She might not even come close enough that hacking the vote would make a difference. However, I lived through 2 terms of a B actor who suffered from senile dementia for at least 6 years and 2 terms of a half witted delusional rich kid who never grew up, so I can't discount the possibility.

It exists. In spades.

Were she to get that kind of help, we'd have a repeat of 2001-2009, with no regulatory laws enforced and the executive branch run by lobbyists. She'd be there for window dressing, much like Stupid was.

It's doubtful the country would survive it in its present form.

[RKP5637]

30. Exactly, the R's would push her in if they thought they could win with her and then

manipulate and use her for window dressing, as you say. And IMO she would be too F'en stupid to know, not that it would make any difference.

I agree, the country could never survive in its present from. Even now it's having a struggle of it in representing / helping the majority of Americans.

I feel if she were in very dark evil forces would become even more prevalent in this country with the absence of most regulatory law enforcement. We would have to watch old movies to see what the country used to be.

I think an element of this country thinks it can endure anything, that it just goes on, and that is a fool's paradise. The latter are the ones too apathetic to get off their asses, understand the issues, and vote. Also in this group are the ignorant Americans that seem to be growing in leaps and bounds.

And we have outrageous MSM forces championing the ignorance of this country. They would push Palin all the way if they could make a buck of it ... Other countries have faltered and fallen, that could easily happen here too. It is quite sad.

[Arkansas Granny]

21. While there are a good many people who would vote for her, the latest

figures I've heard were that 67% of registered voters don't think she is qualified for the job. Gallup shows her with a 52% unfavorable rating.

[Cyrano]

28. Those numbers mean nothing.

If Obama keeps seeking "bipartisanship" we will lose in a landslide.

And it's not because there are more Republican voters than Democrat voters.

It will be because Dems are fed up with Obama caving in on everything. Yes, staying home will be against their best interests. But we saw what just happened in the mid term elections. If you think it can't happen again, wake up.

Palin really could win the presidency. And I can't think of a more terrifying scenario.

[treestar]

32. Letting Republicans win by staying home is the real "caving."

That would really be caving in to Republicans.

[onenote]

38. The results of the 2010 elections actually don't make your case

Again, focus on states that Obama won in 2008. How did the tea partiers and/or Palin-backed candidates do in statewide races in those states:

Delaware - Lost
Nevada -- Lost
New York -- Lost
Colorado -- Lost
California - Lost
Florida -- Won, but got less than 50 percent of the vote

That doesn't suggest a Palin-juggernaut towards the White House.

[jonnyblitz]

22. I implied this last week and had several DUers accuse me of

being a Palin supporter, that it was the stupidest post they read all day, and that i was on the wrong site PLUS my post was deleted! :crazy: Perhaps the way I worded my post was "confusing" to the easily confused but still, I never underestimate the STUPIDITY of MANY of our fellow citizens. :crazy:

[onenote]

29. For those that claim she could win, show me the numbers

Seriously, if its a two-way race, show me what states she wins in order to get to 270 electoral votes.

[Davis_X_Machina]

31. She's toast..

Two years out, Palin’s got 100% name recognition -— but 50%-plus unfavorables.

Before the first primary.
Before the first negative ad.

Where’s the upside potential? Where are the persuadables? The convertables?

She peaks the week she announces. She’s gone the day after Super Tuesday.

Let's look at issues and politicians who actually matter.

[Cyrano]

34. Your arguments are totally logical, reasonable and right on.

But what makes you think this has anything to do with Republican know-nothings, and those who can eaily be swayed to go along with the tide?

[onenote]

36. Again, where does Palin get 270 electoral votes

Lets assume she holds every state that McCain won (not a given by the way). She still needs to pick off over 90 electoral votes that Obama won. Which states does she grab that McCain couldn't?

[AlinPA]

43. PA (elected a teabagger senator and right wing governor), OH (elected a right wing

governor and senator), WI and NC for starters.

[AlinPA]

42. None of them have the media generated "star power" that she has. The country has changed

in the last two years; it is very dumbed down with the cable "news" hammering 24/7 with Palin, and Fox "news" has inspired the teabagger republicans to build a new republican party with her in the lead. We will have our hands full when the corporations and right wing groups dump 10s of billions into her campaign.

[Davis_X_Machina]

47. No one with +50% unfavorables...

....is going to beat an incumbent. In any office. Ever.

She can get 100% of her 40% of the country. It won't produce a victory.

Money can buy the ads that help to convert leaners into favorables, and leaners into unfavorables -- the latter is easier, which is why everybody runs negative campaigns.

But there's no way to turn unfavorables into favorables. It just doesn't happen.

[AndyTiedye]

33. With Corporate Billions Backing Her, It Becomes Possible

We are going to be outspent by at least 10 to 1, probably much more, in the 2012 elections.
The Supreme Court's "Citizens United" has made that not only possible but inevitable.

We may find all of the advertising time has been bought up already, and we can't get any.

Any nitwit they choose has a very good chance of winning.

[LynneSin]

35. Even Ronald Reagan had more qualifications to be president then that idiot Palin

At least Reagan served as governor of California for a few terms and as far as I know he never quit halfway thru his job.

To me these teabagging nut jobs are thrilled with demanding idiots as their elected officials. The dumber they are the more the Tea Party embraces them. Here in Delaware there's been alot of the 'blame game' as to why the republican blew an opportunity to pick up an easy win for the US Senate. The GOP party leaders blame the tea party because the leaders endorsed the 'sure win' with moderate GOPer Mike Castle (remember, Delaware heavily favors democrats in this state). The Tea Party blames the GOP Leaders & Mike Castle because the GOP leaders barely supported O'Donnell and Castle refused. The Tea Party thinks if they had stronger endorsements from the Party and that Castle endorsement that O'Donnell would have won (btw someone did a poll, it showed that if Castle had endorsed O'Donnell her loss would have been at 10pts instead of 17pts.). Honestly, I can see why the GOP leaders hardly supported O'Donnell, she was already getting millions from outsiders and the GOP here in Delaware struggled to support the other candidates on the ticket - thanks to O'Donnell there was an overwhelming loss for the GOP here in Delaware at all levels.

Palin is not presidential material - she's a reality show curiousity that impresses only a small portion of this country. My mother lumps her with people like Kate Gosselin and those women who star in all those 'Real Housewives' shows. Entertaining to watch but not the type of person you want running your country.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

39. Reagan and Bush didn't have such a huge unlikable factor going in

Everyone's pretty much made up their mind about her by now, and most can't stand her.

[proteus_lives]

40. I hope they run her.

Slam dunk for the Dems.

[rgbecker]

41. Good chance they will as more serious candidates won't want to run.

Would Mit Romney what to take on Obama? If the economy even starts to turn around, Obama will be a shoe-in.

[donco6]

44. I believe as a nation we just may be that kinda stupid.

:scared:

[upi402]

45. She could beat him easily, it's a fact. Here's why...

'mericans are dums

[TfG]

46. I honestly don't see how she could win

Maybe I am giving people too much credit, but I can't see that many people voting for her, mainly for lots of the reasons you gave above. Looking at the polls, she is the one republican who has the highest unfavorable rating. Polls show that Obama would beat her. But Mitt Romney is a different story. The one I really worry about is Jeb Bush. You would think that people wouldn't vote for him after the piss poor job of Dubya and the theft elections, but Dubya seems to be positioning ol Jeb for a run as we speak. I would put nothing past them and I certainly wouldn't let my guard down.

I just can't imagine Palin as a serious candidate.