Actual Liberals have been opposed to TSA groping and xrays, etc., since before Obama was a Senator

[Stinky The Clown]

You're just dead wrong if you think the lefties have somehow jumped on a right wing bandwagon. The fact is, TSA has created an ever escalating agency of revulsion that only now became more than that fat fucking drug addict can stand. The fact is, the right finally figured out how to garner common cause with the left for their own good.

Had Obama not defended the latest antics in totalitarianism from HIS appointee, we would not be here.

Lefties have ALWAYS opposed TSA, from the day it was formed. Don't blame this on Liberals. If you do, you have never been more wrong.

[Radical Activist]

1. A lot of people have suddenly jumped on the bandwagon.

And I agree that many of them aren't actual lefties. Or at least, pushing left causes in a productive way isn't their top priority.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. It is the methods

they simply are theater....

Now they are rethinking this... aka they KNOW they stepped on poop and it smells.

[xchrom]

3. Recommend

[Individualist]

4. Correct. Lefties have always opposed infringements on civil liberties -

TSA, Patriot Act, etc., etc.

[sabrina 1]

5. They have been opposed not only by liberals, even by the EU

and in many other countries, successfully. Civil rights orgs, Public Health orgs and medical and science experts have opposed them. It's ironic and just one more bad sign, that what even Bush could not do, sell these machines to the public, a Democrat just got done so smoothly and with even worse abuses attached to them.

Napolitano ordered the purchase of them with Stimulus money. Obama tells us he understands how we feel, but it's necessary. I just wish they would stop insulting our intelligence. I like and respect more my enemies who do not try to pretend they are my friends.

[me b zola]

6. Civil libertarianism is part of what it means to be progressive/from the Left

We may not beat people over the head with our pocket sized Constitution nor screech that we are constitutionalists in every other sentence as the rw does, yet we have always stood for the protection of our civil liberties. May I add that when we speak up on behalf of our Constitutional rights, the rw usually calls us "commies" or some other derogatory term.

Thanks for this thread, StC. :hi:

[Cleobulus]

7. You forget the new talking points, with Obama as President what was bad is now good...

otherwise its a RW conspiracy! :eyes:

[katnapped]

9. +1

Yup, anything the president says is now OK or else you're aiding and abetting the Republicans! :sarcasm:

[_ed_]

27. I've often wondered what things would look like

around here if Bush was still in office and doing this stuff. Strange how things like extraordinary rendition, Gitmo, and Art III trials for terror suspects, etc. aren't such a problem after 2008, no?

[guardian]

8. K&R n/t

[tsuki]

10. I stopped flying in protest when the TSA put that poor girl in leg

irons and threw her on a plane to Iceland because she once overspent her visa which proved to the mouth-breathing goons that she was a terrorist.

BTW, that was 2007. Haven't missed it.

[LibDemAlways]

11. I posted against an abusive TSA incident back in 2003.

I have never had anything good to say about these thugs.

[Stinky The Clown]

16. Yup. You and many others including . . . .

. . . . your (favorite, I hope!) clown.

[CreekDog]

19. I saw that and thanks for doing so

:hi:

[woo me with science]

12. Thank you. nt

[laughingliberal]

13. Short memories is the main reason Americans keep winding up knee deep in poop wondering...

how we got into another big mess.

[frylock]

14. knr

[EarthFirster]

15. Liberalism is dead

Actual liberals want free speech, to be able to draw cartoons of whomever they want, not be put in hiding.
Actual liberals want POPULATION CONTROL, not allowing the ENDLESS third world to crash the gate, and stagnate our wages, schools, healthcare, AND JOBS...
Actual liberals want CARBON CONTROL, so why no protests on China, who is STILL POLLUTING US AIR with their 1940s industrial pollution standards, that story was dropped a LONG time ago.

Liberalism is DEAD, been replaced by Politically Correct insanity a long time ago.

[eShirl]

20. "Actual liberals want POPULATION CONTROL, not allowing the ENDLESS third world to crash the gate"

I don't know if I would characterize the eugenicists as liberals

[sally cat]

17. Well said.

[Swamp Rat]

18. k&r

[seabeyond]

21. +1. not paying attention to the right, i thought they were defending it. nt

[Ted_White]

22. Which lefties opposed the TSA when it was created?

It passed the Senate with 100 Ayes and 0 Nays. It passed the House with 410 Ayes, 9 Nays, 14 Present/Not Voting. The 9 Nays were from Republicans.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s107-1447

[Stinky The Clown]

28. Which proves what?

It demonstrates the lack of resolve our elected Dems have. Or it proves they're not liberals.

What it does not do is disprove my OP.

[Enrique]

23. links?

I'd be interested in documentation of this.

[yellowcanine]

24. "Actual liberals"?? What is your litmus test to detect "fake liberals"?

Kind of a meaningless term, dontcha think, given that the terms "liberal" and "conservative" are generally self-reported to start with?

[Stinky The Clown]

29. I take it you disagree with the OP

Your word parsing does what, exactly?

[Bill McBlueState]

25. this needed to be said

I assumed it was widely understood, but (insert the old saying about assuming things).

[treestar]

26. Opposed the TSA since the day it was formed?

Some portion of the left would have been for it as a safety concern - like the OOSHA and such things, they want the public protected from business' negligence.

It's the right wing that would always be against it or "let the market take care of it."

[Stinky The Clown]

30. Not hardly