Ok, enough of the TSA crap. Its a distraction! How about some outrage about blocking unemployment

[Windy]

benefits by the rethugs? How about some commentary in the media about the equal pay legislation that was blocked?

Come on.... this is totally ridiculous. My son just flew to NYC and back from Detroit. He wasn't groped or fondled, etc. No one was discourteous.. no one was manhandled.

I'm more concerned about my friends husband and my brother in law who can't find a job and are going to have their benefits taken away!

[Lucky 13]

1. Erosion of my civil liberties is my #1 concern.

Being employed or unemployed means nothing to me if I'm not free.

[valerief]

5. Civil liberties don't help if you're cold and hungry either. Er, or were you being sarcastic? nt

[ProdigalJunkMail]

11. actually no i wasn't

civil liberties ALWAYS matter...and were fought for by men who were cold and hungry...and have been stood up for by people who were cold and hungry...

but you keep sticking up for your cause...

sP

[valerief]

19. Are you Lucky 13, too?

Actually, food, shelter, and civil liberties are all important.

[Lucky 13]

17. No sarcasm. Not in the least.

Give me liberty or give me death. If our forefathers believed anything less we'd all still be british.

People DIED for our freedoms. Not just went through a rough patch. Not just lost a job. They lost their lives because IT IS THAT IMPORTANT.

I'm not saying we shouldn't care about unemployment but don't you dare downplay the erosion of my civil liberties.

[MrsCorleone]

25. Freeeeeeeeeeeeeedom!

Wow. Lol!

Did you know that the new head of the House Transportation Committee, Republican John Mica, has been drooling over the privatization of the TSA? I mean, shoot, we're talking about 7 billion dollars of taxpayer money free for the taking. Gotta get their grubby hands on that cash cow.

Apparently, he just sent out letters encouraging 150 airports across the country to dump the TSA so that private security firms can get all that cash & take control of your security.

Happy days of looting are here again! They just needed to find a way to spark enough outrage to make it happen. And, voilà, here we have Grope-gate 2010 right on schedule.

I would like to know how, when and why TSA procedures we're abruptly changed, if in fact they were, wouldn't you?

It's about the money. It is always about the money.

[valerief]

29. Yep. Syphoning $$$$ from the Treasury. That's what every game is about in the US now. nt

[Lucky 13]

31. I would like to know the answers to all those things AND I would like to not be violated.

I don't think its unreasonable to ask for BOTH of those things to happen.

[TBF]

32. Free to do what - oppress others? It's all about economics.

The only folks who are free right now are the ones with the means to be free.

[Lucky 13]

38. Well that's not going to change with getting or losing one job.

When we start voluntarily handing over our constitutional rights, we all lose. The whole society.

The only way to stop this trend of loss of freedoms, skyrocketing unemployment, poverty, corporate servitude, etc. is to take the whole system down. It's beyond repair. It needs a complete overhaul.

[TBF]

39. Take the whole system down -

I'm with ya on that sister. It needs to go.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

2. it is NOT a distraction

you pick what bothers you and just pass on the concerns of others? i get it...

sP

[Windy]

6. It is bs. Do you see the media discussing the continued obstruction?

The unemployed can't afford to feed their families much less fly!!!

I guess some of you have picked your battles and its airport security as opposed to what is going to hit middle class families in the gut at Christmas! Wow

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Yes i have, in fact two hours ago

in the Ed Show

[ProdigalJunkMail]

12. so...civil liberties don't matter?

only if you are warm, housed and employed should you care about civil liberties? interesting...

sP

[Joe Fields]

42. Ha. While I don't like what the tsa is doing, just look at the number of

threads concerning the tsa on this front page, then tell me it isn't a distraction.

[Nye Bevan]

3. Yes, because we can only address one issue at a time (nt)

[Windy]

10. Apparently so, based upon the media even, MSNBC.

Randi Rhodes has talked of nothing else for a week!

[MrsCorleone]

28. She has also reported that this is about Private Security firms drooling over the 7B

security fund.

It's ALWAYS about the money.

[Subdivisions]

4. SUBMIT TO TYRANNY! n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. chew gum and talk at the same time

I can do that. And incidentally I have called my critter ON BOTH of these issues in the SAME DAY.

[avaistheone1]

15. Yes we can!

We do it all the time.





:kick:

[uppityperson]

9. k&r for unemployment and equal pay.

[spanone]

13. i flew over the weekend to l.a., las vegas, nashville, TSA was very polite

no hassles

[Rex]

14. It is NOT just a distraction, don't you know you stir up what you

supposedly 'are tired of' when you post threads like this? Why do so many people do this? Why the HELL is it that I can only be outraged at ONE THING...fuck people I multitask better than a multi-core cpu! Give us humans SOME credit for evolving past day/night logic!

[Windy]

18. I'm just as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours!

we are about to have a crisis in this country with the unemployed having no way to support their families with the exception of applying for welfare....

[enlightenment]

16. I don't know about you, but I'm capable of

multi-tasking.

And frankly, while it's great that your son didn't have a bad experience, it is utterly irrelevant in the larger scheme of things.

It's not ridiculous to be concerned about civil liberties. If you're comfortable handing yours over, that's your business - but it doesn't give you a right to tell other people that they shouldn't care.

If you want to discuss the failure of the Paycheck Fairness Act (and you might want to use the proper name for it - the Equal Pay Act passed in 1963), then start an OP and discuss it instead of starting one to complain that people aren't talking about what you want to talk about.

If you want to discuss the failure to extend unemployment benefits, start an OP and discuss it.

Whinging because you don't see your pet topic front and center IS ridiculous.

[The_Casual_Observer]

20. They'll come around on unemployment checks. As long as we are

sending all that money to Iraq & Afghanistan they wouldn't dare end the checks, you can count on it, they know better than that.

[Matariki]

21. IT IS NOT A DISTRACTION.

It's a serious affront to civil rights, rights to privacy, erosion of the Constitution. And it NEEDS TO BE STOPPED NOW. Before it gets worse.

[Skittles]

22. 1% of fliers are groped

and I bet 95% of the people complaining are not frequent fliers

[TorchTheWitch]

27. 1% too many n/t

[Little Star]

34. So what?

[Go2Peace]

23. Our civil liberties have been eroding for years. Why is it this that gets everyone up in arms?

Because it crossed the line with our puritanical mania, it includes genitals? Mix another fear along with the mass hysteria around sex and you trigger all those alarms we have been taught for years to salivate around?

Where were folks when they started intercepting all your calls?

Where was this outrage when they placed data collectors on internet transmissions?

Where was all this outrage when they placed people on "no fly lists" without cause or recourse?

Where was all the outrage when people were caged away from political events?

Where was all this outrage a few months ago when they started hauling in peace activists and linked them as terrorist sympathizers?

my gosh, if folks are just now in arms they have been asleep. Or could it be that this is the latest media made outrage and we are in the midst of pavlovian emotion? Because while this is a serious matter, for goodness sakes, this is in no way really unusual, other than that is is being fed by the media? It is just one more event in a march that has been occurring for years.

[Lucky 13]

33. Well, I'd say it's the fact that they can now literally grope anyone's genitals publicly.

Yours, mine, your mother, your grandpa, your toddler. It's sexual violation, directly and overtly in opposition to peoples' constitutional rights, etc.

The other things are creeping injustices that unless you're paying attention (as most Americans aren't), you're not going to notice. Grope my genitals... now THAT gets my attention.

[inna]

46. absolutely. the only reason it is being fed by the media *now* is that all of a sudden,

all the blame gets transferred (from Bush) to Obama.


as outrageous as this issue is, the current class warfare against the unemployed is *at least* equally outrageous, however it hardly gets any coverage.

[Sirveri]

24. Both issues are important. Since we just sit here and bitch we can easily bitch about both.

Of course, if you ain't got no money, you ain't gonna get groped at the airport anyways... So I guess that's one solution...

[TorchTheWitch]

26. Bullshit. Willow Palin is a distraction

Teabagger saying stupid things is a distraction. Civil liberties being squashed and illegal sexual assaults is in no way a distraction, and as far as I'm concerned, anyone that believes that it is or doesn't have a problem with it has no fucking business calling themselves a liberal or a progressive or a democrat and has no fucking business being here.

[TheKentuckian]

30. You can only be concerned about one jacked up clusterfuck at a time?

Modern life is probably too much to process then.

Civil liberties are not fancy.

[NNN0LHI]

36. That is not true is it?

We have had how much coverage of the TSA compared to other issues?

I seen someone post a TSA thread here today that was really about her kid being forced to carry his schoolbooks.

You don't think we are being spammed a little bit with this TSA issue perhaps?

Cant we be reasonable?

Don

[TheKentuckian]

40. To tell you the truth, the threads about 99ers, extending unemployment, and

especially tackling the massive structural problems either sink to the bottom of the deep blue sea or turn into flame wars as they are seen as an attack on Obama.

The comfortable centrist types don't give a fuck about poverty or working class issues. We continue to discuss them but as virtual strip searches and groping affect the suburbanites and those with money they can be bothered to care so why not use that energy to hang on to some of our ever eroding civil liberties.

It ain't nothing new, Palin threads dominate all the time and this is certainly more crucial than her skank ass or her brood.

[NNN0LHI]

47. Talk about working class issue threads sinking. Look at this thread once

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=8140904

[Renew Deal]

35. The TSA issue is not a distraction.

And unemployment is equally important.

[de novo]

37. The problems we face are so plentiful that they are all distractions and

none of them are.

The US is fucked and has been for the better part of a decade. It is not easy or comfortable witnessing the end of an empire.

[denem]

41. K&R

[seabeyond]

43. i love when duers get all authoritarian telling people what to post, lol. i was boycotting tsa

when the rw was for tsa....

i am not going to stop now because they are now bitchin, or because you tell me to.

[ShamelessHussy]

44. The M$M know that excellent propaganda should only focus on 1 or 2 things at a time

however, standing up against the security apparatus, is also worth discussing, imho.

[lonestarnot]

45. Yeah just where the fuck is all that outrage on this? Why aren't those people united?

Why don't I hear of someone representing them rather than just talk about them as numbers in a fucking budget!