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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 12:17 AM
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Herding Donkeys. Dean's Samoa trip, the Kaine introduction, and the snub by 3 WH staff.
Edited on Wed Nov-24-10 12:26 AM by madfloridian
I guess I should say incoming staff. I posted about this in early 2009, and I was told in pretty angry words that I was just wrong. I feel this is a pretty clear indication it was meant as a deliberate snub.

From Herding Donkeys by Ari Berman, pp 205, 206:

On January 7, White House political director Patrick Gaspard, a former top labor organizer from New York, called DNC executive director Tom McMahon. Gaspard told McMahon that Obama planned to name Virginia governor Tim Kaine as his new DNC chair and wanted to make the announcement at the DNC the following day. Gaspard asked if Dean would be around. Dean's planning to be in American Samoa, the last U.S. territory he'd yet to visit as DNC chair, McMahon responded. (He'd logged 741,000 miles on the job.) Should he postpone his trip?

If he's already planning the trip, don't tell him to cancel, Gaspard replied. It would be better, in other words, if Dean wasn't there. Administration officials didn't want Obama to face any questions at the press conference about why Dean hadn't received a plum position in the White House. One snub led to another.

Gaspard, ironically, worked on Dean's campaign in 2004, but now served a higher office. "The decision was made by Rahm and Plouffe and (deputy chief of staff) Jim Messina", said the senior transition member. "I was specifically told by a senior administration official, 'It comes from those three guys. They specifically want to do this to Dean.'"
Even the new Camelot wasn't above a little revenge.


Karen Finney, Dean's communication director was in the back of the room. She was upset. Obama complimented Dean, and thanked him for working with Rahm. Finney wondered, according to Berman, why he could not have said that with Dean beside him.

Here is Berman's take on the snub, and I wholeheartedly agree. From page 207:

Dean's snub didn't matter because of one man's bruised ego or thwarted ambitions. Rather, his shabby treatment would come to represent a broader abandonment of the party's grassroots base, especially as Obama packed his White House with well-worn veterans of previous administrations who embodied longevity over innovation and connections over change...


In January 2009 there was a post about Jim Dean's defense of his brother. He made it very clear that Howard would have changed his schedule.

Jim Dean says his brother would have rescheduled his trip..if he had been invited to the press conference today.

If he had been asked to go to that event, he would have been there,” Jim Dean, the chairman’s brother, noted twice in an interview.

..."The fact that Dean wasn’t even included in Thursday’s ceremonial — and very public — transfer of power from him to Kaine only underscored his isolation.

"The snub today was no accident," said one Dean ally. “I guarantee you he would have rescheduled his trip if asked to attend. It’s easy to (screw) over people when you are riding high in the polls, let's see how many people are singing his praises in six months."


There were other comments as well at Daily Kos and Rolling Stone quote from Tim Dickinson.

CHEERS to Tim Kaine. As with all of Obama's appointments, I'll give the new DNC chair a wide berth, but I have to say that not inviting Howard Dean to attend the passing of the baton yesterday was tacky (it's like 44 is daring us to not like him). Rolling Stone's Tom Dickinson says that Dean will be a hard act to follow:

Dean never had a high charisma quotient but his vision thing was off the charts. In many ways Obama is the Facebook to Dean’s Friendster. He took the grassroots/online formula that Dean innovated in 2003 and turned it into the killer app of 2008. Obama’s formidable campaign machine also steamrolled along the 50-state path blazed by Dean as DNC chair.


Here’s hoping Dean lands somewhere quiet and consequential, where his over-the-horizon thinking can be leveraged and his unsmooth demeanor will matter not.


Quite frankly, I am getting a little weary of charisma right now. I am tired of smooth talking meant to pacify all sides. I am longing to hear some real "unsmooth" talk right now...lacking in charisma but full of passion. I miss it. It will take that to win again.

I have had to set Herding Donkeys away for a while, will read more of it later. It simply brings back so many overwhelming memories of our enthusiastic work from 2003 with the campaign, and 2005 on while he was at the DNC.

Berman is right. The snub of Dean that day was a kick in the gut to progressives. I feel that kick again the more I see what is happening to education.

There seems to be no indication that there is any renewed awareness of the voters who enthusiastically brought the wins in 2006 and 2008. That's a shame.


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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 12:28 AM
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1. kick
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 12:42 AM
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2. ....
Thanks. :hi:
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 12:59 AM
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3. K&R n/t
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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 01:07 AM
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4. I am always surprised to see how consistently gracious that Dean has been during all of this.
The people who did this to him look so petty and small.

My guess is that they will need Dean again in 2012, but their hubris has made them blind to this.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 02:09 AM
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10. Generous, gracious. I've learned a lot about Dean in the last four years.
All of it to his credit.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 02:00 PM
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24. Yes, they do look petty and small, and they don't seem to care.
It doesn't seem to me they see or care about the impact of their actions.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:36 PM
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39. Their actions benefit exactly whom they wish to reward.
The ruling elite. Some go to Washington who are not a part of the PE, but then they spend their political careers and their honor doing the best they can to become a part. I'm afraid it looks like some of those we helped get elected fall into this category.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 07:10 PM
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45. When I look at some of the DFA candidates we supported
financially through the years, I groan. They get to DC and become Blue Dogs.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:04 PM
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55. Middle school bullies, they have no concept that is a bad thing. nt
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blackspade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 08:51 PM
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50. I'm hoping...
Edited on Wed Nov-24-10 08:52 PM by blackspade
That he becomes the backbone of a progressive candidate's campaign.
As much as I like Obama as a person, he is not what I voted for in 2008.
A sharp challenger in the primary might move him back to the majority of the electorate.
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:43 PM
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64. Let's be real
The Clinton wing of the democratic party has always been to lose elections. Unless the candidate is a blue dog. I do not think that Obama has had any autonomy as a president. Hillary Clinton was the choice of the powers that be. I remember when Obama was drawing thousands to his rallies and Hillary was wandering around diners ....shaking hands of disinterested customers. Chris Mathews was still going on about the inevitable president...Hillary Clinton.

So the powers that be could not steal this election for hill. Did you notice in the primaries that the states using the caucus system mostly went for Obama? In NH, urban areas with electronic voting machines went for hill. Rural went for Obama. Should have been the exact opposite.

They really could not steal this one for their choice. So they just installed clinton people.Look at Chelsea's wedding. Obama not even invited. The clintons are an abomination to the democratic party.

Why would anyone not know that the political assassination of Howard Dean was 100% clinton's people.I still believe in Obama. I think all the clinton people in his administration should be fired.

Howard Dean for chief of staff. We need a strong gracious man in the WH. One with connections to the base.
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Bluesbreaker Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 01:18 AM
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5. K&R
Thanks for continuing to expose the true soul of this administration. Hopefully, a critical mass of progressive Democrats will wake up, become active and force real change in 2012.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:06 PM
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56. "critical mass of progressive Democrats will wake up, become active and force real change"
Edited on Wed Nov-24-10 11:08 PM by glitch
hear hear, and (very) belated welcome to DU!
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 01:35 AM
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6. Will we see Draft Dean again for 2012?
Edited on Wed Nov-24-10 01:35 AM by slay
One can hope... :shrug:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 01:55 AM
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8. I doubt it very much.
But I hope he will be behind the scenes making some much needed waves.

:hi:
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kayob1 Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 01:37 AM
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7. Thanks for posting
I always enjoy and appreciate your posts.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 02:02 AM
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9. Thank you.
It's really hard reading this book and realizing how quickly things reverted back to the way they were before.

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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:47 PM
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65. Madfloridian
I appreciate your posts....and your continued support for Howard Dean. It has hurt me to see the way that the machine has treated him. But one thing remains the same. Howard Dean is the personification of the word gentleman.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:52 PM
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66. Yes, he has remained a gentleman through all of it.
:hi:
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 02:22 AM
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11. It was a clear forerunner of what was to come.
Obama was one of the first ever DFA picks for support - how soon he allowed himself to forget!

Let us hope - for all our sakes - that he begins to remember. And ASAP.

Thanks, MF!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 02:32 AM
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13. Yes, Obama was one of the first Dean Dozen. Here's the original link.
Edited on Wed Nov-24-10 02:39 AM by madfloridian
http://www.democracyforamerica.com/headlines/view/15

Some won first time out, some won 2nd time around. Some did not win at all.

From 2004.
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mazzarro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 05:14 AM
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17. Yes Indeed - A Clear Forerunner Signalling DLC Re-emergence On The Scene
Obama avoided the public stamp of being a DLCer but he sure did not waste anytime in packing his inner circle full of DLCers and it has never been anything near what we had expected from his administration thereafter!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 02:31 PM
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26. Yes, he "avoided the public stamp of being a DLCer"....just used their policies.
Many wondered when he so obviously said he was not one of them. I mean, look what happened when Dean separated himself from them.
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:59 PM
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67. The entire well oiled corporatist elite
was working against Dean when he didn't go along with the right wing of the democratic party. MSM treated him shabbily.

The Sunday morning political shows have become a caricature of a once free society and media. It has gone through phases.When clinton was in it was 24/7 Monica and blow jobs. The excuse being that MSM had to make money. When bush was in it was heavily republican. You could rationalize that well they are representing the voters. But when Obama was elected and they were still heavily republican, MSM could not even pass as representing the viewers. Just corporate controlled propaganda.

So now we are facing more and more govt. intervention in our private lives. More and more evidence that corporations and banks control the govt. , what are we going to do about it? A lot more of US than them.

I am for a progressive wing of the democratic party. The republicans have their tea party. Some have predicted 4 parties in the coming elections. I am still a democrat...and I like progressive democrats.But the clinton wing should not be allowed in.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 02:51 PM
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31. +100000
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 02:30 AM
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12. K & R nt
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 02:36 AM
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14. I've seen Dean speak in person twice
and I find him very charismatic. :D
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 02:42 AM
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15. I agree.
But even if he weren't, he at least speaks out. Maybe he will do it loudly again.

:hi:
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 12:36 PM
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21. As do I.
That part really stood out for me. The very first time I saw Howard Dean was at a breakfast attended by a small number (100) of wealthy local Democrats (I was a last minute fill-in). As soon as he walked in the room, the place lit up. These well heeled people were elbowing each other to get near him. He spoke briefly and then took questions. He had control of that group from the minute he walked in until he left the room. I saw him 4 other times, twice up close & personal. The only other public figure I met who was that charismatic - forgive me for saying this - was st ronnie.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:40 PM
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63. It's true that Reagan had charisma, at least before the Alzheimers kicked in
Made him all the more dangerous.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:47 AM
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16. Recommend
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nradisic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 07:39 AM
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18. Governor Dean is the man...
I worked on his campaign from 2002-2004, fundraised, went door to door, donated, worked in sub-zero NH weather for the primary and loved to hear his speeches live. Howard Dean is beyond charismatic when you hear him speak live...If the Progressive movement ever had a true voice in this country, it was and is Howard Dean. I have held out saying much of anything against President Obama, but this just hurts. Our best choice to take our party back and renergize the 50 state strategy to take our country back is Howard Dean. Period.
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 08:33 AM
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19. The Democratic Party doesn't deserve Howard Dean
The way they treated him, and are still treating him, makes me violently ill. If third party wasn't such a losing battle, I'd hope he'd ditch them and run as an independent in 2012. If he does decide to primary Obama, I'll be out there knocking on doors for him just like I was in 2003!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:59 AM
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20. I don't think he would consider 3rd party.
After his campaign he thought of it, but decided it would be too bloody.

:hi:
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:13 PM
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57. He's very intelligent -- he could figure out a way to take back the party from the corporatists.
If it's still possible.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:34 PM
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60. Kukla, Fran and Ollie!! I remember watching them on Black and White TV as small child...
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 12:46 PM
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22. And sadly, the kicks just keep on coming.
You'd get the impression that they just don't want us around anymore. Except during election time, when they need people to do actual work.

Guess what?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 01:24 PM
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23. I feel that way locally and nationally.
Such a difference from a few years ago. I don't like the feeling.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 02:03 PM
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25. wow
General Discussion
Herding Donkeys. Dean's Samoa trip, the Kaine introduction, and the snub by 3 WH staff.
59 recs : By madfloridian

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=greatest_threads&topten=1

13 unrecs already.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 02:52 PM
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32. They're attacking on force. I just put you back up to 52.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 02:59 PM
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34. ...
Appreciate that. I don't think the unrecs were meant to be used against a person that way.
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Duval Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:25 PM
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38. I don't understand why anyone
would unrec. BTW, thanks, madfloridian. I always learn something from your posts.:hi:
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 06:03 PM
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43. I evaluate my threads on how the vote goes.
If I get about 100 recs and 100 unrecs for a balance of zero, I figure I hit the trifecta.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 09:39 PM
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51. Well, now up to 16 unrecs....so that is at least better than 50%
:evilgrin:

General Discussion
Herding Donkeys. Dean's Samoa trip, the Kaine introduction, and the snub by 3 WH staff.
107 recs : By madfloridian

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=greatest_threads&topten=1
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:01 AM
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68. I do not know how to do a recommend
Time to learn. Could I have some help please?
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 02:44 PM
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27. Well, Dammit. You WERE wrong.
"Wrong" in this usage has nothing to do with the accuracy of the underlying statement. It relates to whether the listener wants to hear what you're saying.

Republicans do that all the time. For example,

Scientist: "Climate change is the greatest threat the world currently faces."
Republican: "You're wrong."
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 02:45 PM
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28. heh heh
Not far from the truth.

:hi:
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:16 PM
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58. Same difference
without (or with only very minor) difference.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 02:47 PM
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29. K&R
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AndrewP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 02:50 PM
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30. By the way, that looks like an interesting book n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 02:57 PM
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33. It really is, but a little painful to read right now.
Considering the way the left in the party has been so completely rejected.

I put it back on the shelf for now, but I will finish it later. It reminds me of the enthusiastic times when we thought we mattered.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:27 PM
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35. I so appreciated what Karen Tumulty of TIME wrote in Jan. 09
She seemed to understand the significance of ignoring who brought you to the dance.

It's a very good article at The Swampland, but I especially appreciated her caring enough to post in the comments section. She saw this snub early on.

"# Karen Tumulty Says:
Friday, January 9, 2009 at 10:27 am

PMC:

Okay, here's why this caught my attention. Obama picked as his WH chief of staff a guy who fought bitterly and publicly with Dean over the 50-state strategy. This comes after Obama runs a campaign that looks very much like Dean's 50-state strategy, but with lots more resources. Meanwhile, the guy who ran Obama's campaign decides to stay out of both the White House and the existing party machinery. I'm just saying it is interesting. Do I know precisely what the game plan is? No. Am I likely to any time soon? No. Is it in their interest to tell me? Triple no. So, as a political reporter, I am watching "signals." I'm not dissing anyone here; I'm trying to discern what the shape of politics will be in the next four to eight years."

In fact how the shape of politics looked even two years down the road. :shrug:

I appreciated her noticing the snub.

This is another comment she made, powerful.

# Karen Tumulty Says:
Friday, January 9, 2009 at 9:42 am

PD: I don't think that would cut the legs out of the story at all. If Dean is magnanimous in public, it doesn't mean that he--or, just as importantly, the people he has worked with, who continue be important to the party--feel that way in private.
.
Nor does it excuse the Obama Team for refusing to make a small gesture that wouldn't have cost them a penny. It is a telling story. I just don't know precisely what it is telling us. Is this Rahm not letting go of old grievances? A signal that Obama's folks want to take the party in a different strategic and tactical direction?


Perceptive.
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:05 AM
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69. Or is this a signal that the clintons are running Obama's
presidency? And they fight dirty?
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Alameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:57 PM
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36. Wouldn't it be nice if Dean were president?
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tabbycat31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:10 PM
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37. At least one state party chair is calling for the return of the 50 state strategy.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 06:05 PM
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44. Haven't heard a word from our state party.
In fact our chairwoman just resigned without even arguing....the losses were so big here.
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tabbycat31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 07:19 PM
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46. We lost one congressional seat and swept 4 legislative specials
We lost the governor's race last year and did not have a senator up this year. We could have kept the governor had we run someone else. I LOVE my state party chair.

Read his letter to the DNC here

http://www.bluejersey.com/diary/17238/wisniewski-wants-50state-strategy-back
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:39 PM
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40. Your lines: "Quite frankly, I am getting a little weary of charisma
right now. I am tired of smooth talking meant to pacify all sides. I am longing to hear some real "unsmooth" talk right now...lacking in charisma but full of passion. I miss it."

What I wouldn't give for a Democrat who could yell like Dean did. All we get are bleats and murmurs.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 09:57 PM
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52. I absolutely crave some power speaking...
For years our party has given in to being "bipartisan", and it has become a bad habit now....to the point that our party has few opinions and stances that are ours uniquely.

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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:00 PM
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54. I think the rush to the claim for most bipartisan
comes from the insular nature of Washington. Someone there has read that the "people" are tired of partisan governing. Trouble is the "people" weren't just tired of the way bushco arbitrarily did the things he did. They were tired really of the things themselves. But this gets filtered through Washington pundits and advisors and comes out that the "people" want a kumbaya presidency. Obama seems to have listened to these idiots. When he said change he thought the change people wanted was for us to hold hands with cheney and stop arguing. He - and his stupid advisors - were wrong. The change that we wanted was from wars and meanness and greed and an endless pipeline of tax money for corporations and the rich.

So we elected a Democrat who seems to think the only change the people wanted was lots of niceness.

Of well. Fool me once.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:24 AM
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71. what's the point of having parties if you're not going to be partisan.
and yes, now is the time for progressives to bolt and be partisan on their own. now, en masse.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:45 PM
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41. And then Stacie wouldn't let Sally sit at the cool kids table! OMG!
What will happen next?!
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:59 PM
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42. K&R
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 07:22 PM
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47. K & R
Thanks mad, another very informative thread. I hope that you are well.:hug:
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 07:48 PM
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48. k/r
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blackspade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 08:46 PM
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49. K&R as always!
The history reminder is always appreciated.:toast:
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 10:33 PM
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53. KnR. Dr Dean is the best we have, yet he is shelved. nt
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jonthebru Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:23 PM
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59. Fifty State Strategy
I keep sayin' it, the Fifty State Strategy won the Presidency for the current President. After a story like this you have to wonder about the ethical honesty of certain individuals...

Fifty State Strategy; do it again and we can achieve greatness.. Had the strategy been used in the 2010 midterms, our country would be headed for a better future. Simple as that.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:36 PM
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61. I've always been impressed that Howard Dean didn't give them the
public fuck you. He's been so polite and they have been so lousy to him. It shows he's a good man, I wouldn't have had such restraint.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:27 AM
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72. i'm only impressed with that if it's about keeping his powder dry.....
....for some opportune moment in the NEAR future to play his cards. if it's run-of -the-mill DC etiquette, i'm not only not impressed, i'm opposed.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:37 PM
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62. The intentional "dumping" of Howard Dean by this administration was a disgusting
example of personal egos and arrogance taking precedence over what was truly best for this country.

Exactly the kind of thing one would have expected from repukes!!!!
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:13 AM
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70. I've grown more and more impressed by Howard Dean
over the years.
K&R
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 01:29 AM
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73. I'm confused, When I clicked on a link you provided below,
the Greatest Page was different. Is that a beta or what?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 02:30 AM
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74. Oh, I think I figured out what you mean.
On the greatest page there is a section at the top called Top Tens. The only way to tell the number of unrecs is the Just recs. However, a page drops off the greatest after 24 hours....so it is not there now.

Have I confused you more? :)
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 02:43 AM
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75. No, I actually figured it out
Now I'm trying to figure out if that was always there and I've just been oblivious or if it's a new feature?:blush:
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