Can't wait until we have a vegetarian president,

[MoonRiver]

and don't have to watch the spectacle of a turkey being "pardoned," simply for being haplessly born into a body that is doomed to a short and tortured life, destined to die a horrible and excruciatingly painful death. I :loveya: Tofurky!!

[OneGrassRoot]

1. Gotta give you some love for this post...

You made me smile. :hi:

I've been vegetarian since the late 80's but have yet to experience Tofurky.

I should do that.

:hug:

[a la izquierda]

7. I hate tofurkey, but I'm also a vegetarian...

we like Quorn, but it has egg in it. So, no go if you're a vegan.
Happy Thanksgiving!

[MoonRiver]

13. Lots of good vegetarian dishes besides Tofurky!

Here's to a cruelty free Thanksgiving :toast:

:hi:

[a la izquierda]

68. Right on!

I made a tofurky one year. I made my carnivore brother-in-law try a piece. His face was priceless...but I really didn't like it much either.
Last year, I made a butternut squash casserole that was out of this world (I think it came from Bon Appetite magazine). This year, my husband and I have to work (dogs and cats don't know it's a holiday), so it's Quorn and sides. It'll be great.

Cheers to you!:toast:

[Systematic Chaos]

19. Tofurky is good, but Field Roast is way better still.

Just know ahead of time that the Field Roast will put you into sticker shock unless you have lots of disposable income.

[WillParkinson]

2. Mmmm...

We're having our Tofurkey tomorrow night. I cannot wait.

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[Systematic Chaos]

18. That just crushes my spirit and destroys my life.

Oh, whatever shall I do now?

:eyes:

[Dreamer Tatum]

21. Go suck on some "tofurkey," I guess. Let me ask you vegetarians a question

Why, if eating meat is so bad, do you all jump through hoops to shape, flavor, and name your food to SEEM like meat?

"Tofurkey." WTF? Why not just eat regular old tofu and be done with it?

[MoonRiver]

28. Because some of us DO like the meat flavor,

we just don't want to horribly torture and kill innocent beings to experience it. Win-Win.

[cleanhippie]

55. Re-read you post.

And if you ever wonder why vegans get little respect for their cause, you know why.

[uppityperson]

74. Do you think any innocent field mice get tortured and killed harvesting soy beans?

Mammals are generally considered "higher" beings than birds, who rate higher than fish. So, what about those poor innocent mice who get killed during the soy harvest?

Fruitarian is the most ethical way to be.

[kentauros]

29. Remember now, some people are not vegetarian by choice

and are very happy to have meat-analogues that remind them of what they were forced to give up (for whatever reasons, medical, spiritual, et cetera.) And there are omnis that like the fake meats, too.

The other thing about some of these fake meats is that they come in convenient shapes. Unless you make your own bread (and even if you do) buns come in certain shapes and so do the fake meats (burgers, dogs, patties...)

I do have to ask, though: why the hate? (or strong emotions against us?) Why not be happy we have something enjoyable to eat and share in the holiday with our loved ones? :hi:

[HuckleB]

58. I suspect that the "hate" is merely a return volley for the hate found in the OP.

[kentauros]

70. I see no hate there.

What I do see is a fond desire for eliminating an unnecessary "tradition".

Please, for those of us without your superior level of reading comprehension, point out the hate in the OP. Because in my understanding of the OP words, it's more of distaste with existing facts than with any kind of perceived hate.

I would like to point out that omnis, for the most part, don't have to put up with people questioning their dietary choices the moment someone finds out that they eat meat. It simply doesn't register in most people's minds as something that goes counter to what they know as well. Yet, us vegetarians have to endure omnis that appear to be truly disgusted that anyone would even think of not eating meat, no matter the reasoning behind that choice. It's taken like an affront to their very existence to just be in the presence of a vegetarian. The person to whom I have responded in this subthread is acting exactly in that manner and why I asked for a clarification of his/her hate on this subject.

[HuckleB]

71. Uh huh.

The OP is filled with hate and ugly judgment.

Try again.

[kentauros]

72. With you, not a chance.

This is your standard response. If you didn't understand my post, then I guess your reading comprehension isn't as great as I had perceived. Oil well.

[HuckleB]

90. I understand that your spin is BS.

The hate in the OP is ridiculous and obvious, and you would be up in arms if such a post was aimed at vegetarians. Since it's aimed at others, you think it's just fine, and you've convinced yourself that it is just fine. Unfortunately, all your viewpoint shows is a lack of ability to put yourself in the shoes of others.

[kentauros]

96. Well, let's do just that and test your hypothesis:

Can't wait until we have an omni president, and don't have to watch the spectacle of a turkey being "pardoned," simply for the traditionalists out there that can't fathom a truly progressive White House that wants to get us back being thankful across all peoples and parties at Thanksgiving. I :loveya: meat!!


Hmmm, nope, don't have a problem with that. In case you haven't figured it out yet, I don't hate omnis, nor their dietary choices (if they even think of it that way.)

Now, if this isn't good enough for ya, post your version and then I'll let you know whether I can put myself in the other's shoes or not ;)

[HuckleB]

111. You failed to include the ugly, hyperbolic nature of the language in the OP.

I'm not into tearing people down, so I'm not playing a game that you've already lost.

Next time, try a little honesty.

Bye.

[kentauros]

113. Bye to you too!

As for the "honesty" bit, thanks for also assuming so much about vegetarianism from my shoes ;)

[fishwax]

115. I don't see the hate and ugly judgment in the OP

Is it hateful to say that turkeys raised for food generally live unappealing lives?

[HuckleB]

119. That's hilarious.

Especially considering the all too nice rewording of the OP according to you.

Thanks for being all too obvious.

:rofl:

[fishwax]

122. not sure what I'm being obvious about, but whatever floats your boat

I didn't find the OP hateful at all (and I'm not a vegetarian).

[HuckleB]

128. Awwwwwwwww.

Sorry to bring reality to your spin.

:rofl:

[fishwax]

131. alrighty

:crazy:

[bergie321]

30. Why do you

Cook, season, flavor, and shape your meat?

"Hamburger." WTF? Why not just chew on a hunk of raw flesh and be done with it?

(oh noes does this make me a "militant" vegetarian now?)

[kentauros]

31. Yes!

:evilgrin:


:hi: fellow militant-veggie!

[Dreamer Tatum]

36. I start with meat and end up with meat. You veggies, however...

...start with the exalted vegetable products and do your best to make it seem like meat.

Just eat meat, and be done with it.

[kentauros]

38. Again,

why the hate on our dietary choices? What impact does our choice have on your life?

[Dreamer Tatum]

78. I just marvel at how SOME vegetarians still clearly aspire to meat consumption. nt

[kentauros]

81. Until you go vegetarian as well,

I doubt you'll ever truly understand.

[Dreamer Tatum]

82. No, I will NEVER understand why people with a problem with meat consumption still want meat flavor.

That's like being against handguns, so you walk around with a cap gun.

[MoonRiver]

83. How about liking the flavor but disliking the killing?

Understand yet?

[Dreamer Tatum]

85. So...you dislike the killing, but will do what it takes to pretend it was killed.

OK, Happy Thanksgiving. To each his own.

[MoonRiver]

89. That's an absurd statement..

I don't pretend anything. I know my choices are saving lives.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

101. Your choices don't save a thing

They didn't kill one less turkey this year because they know you don't want one.

[MoonRiver]

104. Have you heard the term "supply and demand?"

The more of us who don't demand, the less will be supplied, e.g. killed.

[kentauros]

84. Then you'll just have to educate yourself into the "why".

I have neither the time nor the inclination to do that. There are plenty of sites and books on the subject. Get reading! :)

Maybe then you'll also realize that your analogy is woefully inadequate to the whole picture.

[Angry Dragon]

129. I will try to put myself in their shoes

I love the taste of meat, I miss it if I have not had it in a couple of days. In fact I just had some turkey tonight.
I am going to assume most vegetarians started eating meat in their lives. As they grew older the thought that animals had to die so they could eat them they found a distaste for this. Their principals over ruled their need to eat meat. After reading a lot of this thread they are not saying that they disliked the taste of meat just they did not want anything to die so they could taste it. Hence they flavor their tofu to taste like meat so they can have the best of both worlds. I see nothing wrong in this. I hope this has answered your question.

Dragon ............ Known to eat meat

[bergie321]

60. Really?

I was not aware that meat eaters held the patent on seasonings and oblong or patty-shaped foods.

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[bergie321]

117. Define "meat flavoring"

What does chicken taste like?
Do you just eat plain chicken?
Or do you bread it and fry it or cover it in sauce?
Why do you do that?
To make it taste better?

Well there is your answer.

BTW, many spices used on meats were traditionally used on vegetables and other dishes before you started marinating meats in them.

[Codeine]

54. But I don't hate meat.

I just choose not to eat it for ethical, health, and environmental reasons. If I can make something that tastes close enough to meat but doesn't involve killing an animal why would that be a problem?

[HuckleB]

57. It's not.

On the other hand, starting a meat eater bashing thread for Thanksgiving is pointless at best, and ugly at worst.

[Codeine]

59. LOL! I haven't done that since I was a kid.

Forty-year-old vegans are a lot more laid back than their 19-year-old counterparts. Hell, I was teaching my girlfriend how to properly fry chicken the other day. Gotta use all that Alton Brown knowledge somewhere!

[HuckleB]

63. I know you haven't, but the same can't be said for the OP.

:toast:

[cleanhippie]

56. Hahahaha! +100

Now thats some funny shit right there!

[Ikonoklast]

66. I do the exact opposite.

I take a nice cut of meat and make it look like lentils or a block of bean curd, then eat it

It makes me feel less guilty about being an omnivore.

[hobbit709]

4. You're complaining that a non-vegetarian president is not killing the turkey?

OK, whatever.

[MoonRiver]

6. Nope, just talking about the ridiculous act of "pardoning" a turkey.

Obama will be involved in killing one, however, because he will undoubtedly be eating turkey tomorrow. My post has NOTHING to do with politics. It's about not torturing innocent animals.

[brooklynite]

9. What makes you think a vegetarian President would be above a "pardoning" photo-op?"

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

11. A vegetarian president could "pardon" a sack of sweet potatoes or something.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

102. But then he'd eat another batch the next day!!!

Hypocritical murderer!!!!

[kctim]

8. That pardon is the dumbest thing

The President should just "pardon" the turkey in a normal and real way: Just belch and say "PARDON" me, but damn that turkey was good.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

10. It's a silly ritual, but Obama would get a ration of shit if he didn't do it.

The righties would want to know why he hates America.

[MoonRiver]

12. I agree and I'm not talking about him.

I don't eat meat for humanitarian reasons, although my health has dramatically improved since I went veg, so I quite naturally am offended by this practice.

[JuniperLea]

14. Exactly...

He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't so he may as well stick with tradition.

I'm having free range kosher turkey tomorrow. I'll thank the Cosmos, and sink my omnivorous teeth into the feast.

[Luminous Animal]

75. A "tradition" started by George H. W. Bush.

A tradition going back 3 presidents.

http://www.snopes.com/holidays/thanksgiving/pardon.asp

[JuniperLea]

116. So what? It's been over 20 years...

To some people here, that's a life long tradition.

[blondeatlast]

17. Yup; I hope to hell Pres. Obama doesn't take it upon himself to perform a new stupid ritual that

every other President will have to follow.

Throwing out the first ball of the ML season and the idotic turkey pardon are just crass.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

103. Throwing out the first ball is crass?

Oh man.....I can't wait to hear this one.....

[kctim]

27. Probably, at first

It is such a trivial thing though, that I think he would gain more if he just did the normal thing and ate the damn thing. Hell, I'd donate a hundred bucks if he would do a before pic on the lawn and an after pic on the table.

[Xenotime]

15. The whole country needs to stop this yearly bird slaughter.

[PetrusMonsFormicarum]

16. If we're not supposed to eat animals

then why are they made out of meat?

Sorry, but the only thing that irks me more than veggie hypocrites who insist on eating meat-like substances that (attempt to) mimic the appearance and flavor of meat are veggies who feel the need to proselytize. Sure, us westerners eat too much meat, but the fact remains that half your teeth are canines.

For the record, I was vegetarian through the 80s and most of the 90s, when we didn't have a bunch of meat-mimics ready to eat off the shelf. I just woke up one day and listened to my body, and I felt great to have ended such pathetic denial.

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[JuniperLea]

22. I started eating meat again when my hair fell out and my skin turned grey

Despite close supervision by a doctor and nutritionist. I still don't eat a lot of meat, hardly any red meat, but I do eat a lot of fish and fowl.

I really hate the condescension in these veg threads. Seriously. It's vile and ridiculous. If someone is so happy with their own lifestyle, I would think they wouldn't harbor so much animosity.

I eat free range kosher fowl. I'm not Jewish, I just like the taste and the fact that the birds are slaughtered in accordance with strict kashrut law by a shochet. They aren't freaked out; there's little to no fight and flight hormones in the meat.

I'm a happy omnivore.

[Dreamer Tatum]

23. I just marvel at how they know the chickens are Jewish in the first place. nt

[JuniperLea]

33. LOL! You know there was a huge discussion in Rabbinical communities...

About whether turkey could be considered a kosher meat. It met the criteria, apparently. Something to do with the comb and an extra toe... I guess that makes up for having only one stomach? I dunno... I will leave it to the Rabbis:) I only know this stuff because my godparents were Jewish and my godfather was a chef who counted a shochet (kosher slaughter dude) among his friends.

[Recovered Repug]

125. That's easy.

They're circumcised.

[HuckleB]

43. +1

[Iktomiwicasa]

24. I'm having a juicy rack of elk ribs tomorrow...

...killed it myself, too.

[Dreamer Tatum]

Um. A RACK of elk ribs? Who are you, Fred Flintstone? nt

[Iktomiwicasa]

50. No,

I'm an NDN guy. We hunt all the time up here.

[vanbean]

49. You eat the ribs? I have never known anyone to eat elk ribs. But, I hope you enjoy them.

And congratulations on bagging one.

[Iktomiwicasa]

52. Say what?

It's the eye section near the spine, like an elk version of a prime rib. I shoot a couple every fall.

[vanbean]

67. We can only shoot one a year here. If we draw out.

[Iktomiwicasa]

127. Different rules...

...here on the rez.

[deaniac21]

110. Can I come?

[Bucky]

120. Sounds yummy.

And truly something to be grateful for. Happy T-Day!

[FrancisTreptoe]

25. Umm more like

Can't wait until we have an agnostic/atheist president.

[MineralMan]

26. Every President is President of all the citizens of this country.

Even a vegetarian President would probably still perform this silly traditional pardoning. One of the wonderful things about this country is that you can choose to eat whatever you wish. You choose to be a vegetarian. I choose to be an omnivore. Choice. That's one of our freedoms, if I'm not mistaken.

I don't care whether you eat animal protein or not. It's irrelevant to me. Now, if you were coming to my house for Thanksgiving (you're welcome to, but we'll be at my wife's mother's house), I would prepare a meatless entree for you, along with the traditional turkey. That way, everyone who was at the table would be able to choose what they ate. It certainly wouldn't be a Tofurky, though. Factory-made, processed food that is designed to imitate the very thing you're opposed to eating seems rather silly to me. Instead, I'd make my favorite lentil loaf. It's vegetarian...actually vegan...and it's very, very good. Sometimes I even make it as an entree for whomever is coming for dinner. Even omnivores like it.

I don't want vegetarians to come to my table and be forced to eat around the main dish. I'll happily accommodate any vegetarian who is in my home. By the same token, though, I do not want anyone to attempt to dictate to me - or the President - what we should eat or not eat. I don't like that at all. I want to have the choice. I'll happily give you your choice. Won't you do the same for me?

It seems only fair.

[MoonRiver]

32. Who's dictating anything?

Since it is an, allegedly, free country, I would enjoy having a vegetarian president. I'd also bet that s/he would break tradition with the turkey pardoning (I believe that Carter did), but only time and imagination will tell. :)

[kentauros]

34. You mean something like

"President Dennis Kucinich" ? :D

[MoonRiver]

35. YES!

There are undoubtedly other contenders also.

[Luminous Animal]

76. There was no tradition when Carter was president. The pardon started with GHW Bush.

http://www.snopes.com/holidays/thanksgiving/pardon.asp

[HuckleB]

92. Interesting.

Thanks for posting!

[HuckleB]

40. +1

[msanthrope]

51. Can you PM me the lentil loaf recipe? Or put it in the cooking group for all?

I, too, am an omnivore.

But I give a holiday party each year that accomodates meat-eaters, non-pork eaters, kosher, vegetarian, vegan, and gluten free guests. No one goes home hungry.

The lentil loaf sounds perfect.

[Codeine]

61. I second this. Lentils are simply amazing. nt

[MineralMan]

77. I don't have it written down, I'm afraid. Next time I make it,

I'll write the recipe down. I just don't normally use recipes.

There are lots of lentil loaf recipes on the web, though. They just vary in their ingredients.

Mine includes these:

Red & yellow lentils (cooked briefly in water, but not completely softened)
Onion
Celery
Garlic
Sun-dried tomatoes (reconstituted in warm water)
Tomato paste
Olive oil
Shitake mushrooms (fresh)
Oyster mushrooms (fresh)
Morel mushrooms (fresh if in season, or reconstituted from dry)
Steel-cut oats (uncooked)
Agar-Agar as a binder.
Soy sauce to taste.
Seasonings vary, depending on what I'm after. Often, I use a blend of Italian seasonings, but I sometimes use cumin and peppers. It just depends.

I couldn't tell you the quantities without making it, but they aren't that critical. You need enough to fill a loaf pan about 3/4 full. I also change up the ingredient list sometimes, on whatever whim I'm feeling. I like to cut the vegetable ingredients into thick strips. It helps hold the loaf together, somehow. Once everything is mixed by bare hands in a bowl and is the consistency of a thick, moist, moldable mass, it goes into an oiled, standard-sized loaf pan and into a 350 degree oven for about 1.5 hours, just like a meatloaf. When it's ready, the top is somewhat browned and the loaf is firm. Let it rest for about 10 minutes, then remove it from the loaf pan and serve. Sauces to individual taste. Ketchup is good. But other sauces may be preferred. Sometimes, the loaf is a little crumbly. Other times it slices well. It tastes great either way.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

106. +1

Great post, well said.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

37. "horrible and excruciatingly painful death"

Aren't they decapitated with a quick chop?

[MoonRiver]

45. The life and death of a factory raised turkey.

Viewer beware.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7su4JWl-zYk

[Big Blue Marble]

46. Perhaps, you might want do a little research

on the lives and deaths of the animals being prepared for your dining pleasures.

[yawnmaster]

64. why eat them when they can be released to live a long and fullfilling life, composing opera...

and solving the world's problems.
on the other hand a coyote might just catch it and start eating it while it is still half alive.
oh well, maybe its better we just eat them.

[HuckleB]

39. I'll enjoy my...

http://www.diestelturkey.com/home.htm

Thank you very much.

[Johonny]

41. Why wouldn't a vegetarian president pardon the Turkey?

I don't get it. You'd think they'd be the most likely person to pardon it.

[HuckleB]

42. Now why would anyone want to stop this tradition?

http://www.president-bush.com/bush-turkey.html

[Big Blue Marble]

44. Isn't ironic that President Clinton

is now a vegan? It is a little late for your fantasy, but I do love it anyway.

Have a happy turkey-free Thanksgiving!
Mine have been turkey-free for 17 years.

[MoonRiver]

47. It's been about that long for us too.

Yes, how cool is it that big dog has gone veg! Happy cruelty free Thanksgiving! :hi:

[AmandaMae]

48. Looking forward to my Tofurkey tomorrow too. nice thread

[cleanhippie]

53. You don't have to watch it now.

Simply just do not watch it. Done. Wish granted.

[shockra]

62. Farm Sanctuary is asking President Obama...

to send the pardoned turkeys there, because "Since 2005, the pardoned turkeys have become theme park attractions at Walt Disney World or Disneyland, where many have died within one year."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unleashed/2010/11/farm-sanctuary-asks-president-obama-to-send-pardoned-thanksgiving-turkeys-to-its-rescue-facility.html

HSUS released its undercover findings on the largest turkey hatchery yesterday.

http://www.humanesociety.org/news/press_releases/2010/11/turkey_willmar_112310.html

The investigator documented multiple abuses including:

Grinding animals alive. Sick, deformed, and injured birds—as well as healthy animals who are "leftovers" not needed for buyers' orders—are killed by being thrown into grinding machines.

:(

[La Lioness Priyanka]

65. i think a vegan or vegetarian or pescetarian president would still abide by customs

because s/he is not the president of vegetarians

[Zax2me]

69. Wouldn't a veggie Prez still pardon the turkey?

Why wouldn't he/she?
It seems that would be exactly what would be done, if you are a vegetarian.

[snooper2]

73. You know how many turkeys are in the World

Not of the human kind ...real turkeys..

Over a billion...

Now, if we didn't eat Turkeys, what would their numbers be? We are actually helping that species by breeding and eating it.


Now, say we look at another species, say, African Lions..Their numbers are down,

Say we started selling Lion Steak, Ground Lion, Lion Chops, Lion ribs at your local store.

We would have to breed hundreds of thousands of Lions to meet demand, and soon African Lions would be thriving!



Vegans = bad for animals :)

[Nailzberg]

118. Loin chops. Mmmmm.

[Angry Dragon]

130. I remember reading about a resturant in the south west

that had lion on their menu. They took a lot of heat for it.

[justiceischeap]

80. Trying Field Roasts' "Celebration Roast" this year

I can't wait until tomorrow. I love all their other products, so I'm thinking this will definitely replace Tofurky.


The Field Roast Stuffed Celebration Roast, a "charcuterie styled stuffed grain meat roast with a sausage style stuffing made with field roast, butternut squash, apples and mushrooms"

[kentauros]

86. I'm sure it will :)

I like Tofurky's other products, like their deli-slices and "sausages". I used to buy Yves brand until the Tofurky line expanded to include those flavors I liked.

Have you seen or tried the Gardein brand yet? It's quite good :9

[justiceischeap]

105. I LOVE Gardein!

I actually used to work with Chef Tal (the guy responsible for Gardein's new flavors and texture). It's not surprising that I like the product so much 'cause that guy can cook!

And I hear ya on the Tofurky products, I like their deli slices (as do my cats) but not much else.

[kentauros]

109. It's interesting that your cats like the deli slices.

So does mine! I thought he was just being weird as usual :P

[Bluenorthwest]

107. I'm excited to learn of that company

Never had any of their stuff, sent their link to many people already. That Celebration Roast looks very good.

[justiceischeap]

132. You should try their sausages too

I love the Apple Sage (I think that's what it's called). I make a quinoa, cherry tomatoes & kale concoction that I throw that in. Yummy!

[TheWraith]

87. Unrecced for falsehoods.

Even if the POTUS were a vegetarian, there would still be a turkey pardoning.

Besides that though, the death of a turkey is not "horrible and excruciatingly painful." It's fast and simple--I've watched it.

[uppityperson]

94. Actually, turkey pardoning started with Papabush and I am sure the mice who get mulched during

soy harvest aren't happy about being killed in a horrible and excruciatingly painful way.

unrec also.

[flvegan]

88. I LOVE this thread!

Thanksgiving at the DU. Never ever a disappointment.

[NNN0LHI]

124. Doesn't get much better does it?

[kentauros]

126. Thanks for helping out!

:P
Oh, I know, you can clear the broken dishes when the Wargiving festivities are over :evilgrin:

[proteus_lives]

91. Mmmm, turkey.

I'm hungry for dinner already.

[slackmaster]

93. So you'd rather have one more doomed turkey go to its death, just so you can feel better?

:crazy:

I'll be roasting a goose tomorrow, BTW.

[MoonRiver]

95. A turkey would already be saved,

because the pres. wouldn't be eating one.

[slackmaster]

97. Ah, OK. That makes sense.

That leaves more turkey for everyone else.

[HuckleB]

112. The president eats an entire turkey?

BTW, your argument only makes sense if the vegetarian president is an additional vegetarian amidst the population. If the vegetarian population remains the same, then the same number of turkeys will be eaten.

[TexasObserver]

98. You expect to be alive in the 22nd century?!

There's a reason very few people are vegetarian. It's called genetics.

Humans eat what they can digest - at least most of them do.

[Lucian]

99. How about a vegan president?

*cough*Dennis Kucinich*cough*

He's my favorite politician. :)

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

100. Who says a vegetarian president would end that tradition?

Maybe a self-rightous, vegetarian president with a total lack of humor would.

[peoli]

108. Bill Clinton is a vegetarian.

[Maru Kitteh]

114. Amen to that. We're having a lovely Quorn roast tomoorow. Cheers!

[Bucky]

121. Wouldn't a Vegetarian president pardon a squash instead?

[Hello_Kitty]

123. That's like atheism to Middle Murka. S/he'd have to hide it. eom