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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:11 AM
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In preparation for my next editorial...re:TSA..I need input
...re: Constitutionality.
I would like to compare to mcCarthyism(The house Un-American Activities Committee),the Patriot Act.
1. Do you think these have anything to do with each other?I'd rather look stupid to you guys than to them.
2.Do you have good,impartial resources to the above?I'd rather not use partisan resources,if possible.

Thanks in advance.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:17 AM
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1. I'd consider using this DU thread as background - nice history of TSA
Right-wing is Ginning Up OUTRAGE against TSA to privatize Airport Security and Prevent Unionization
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x571746

See also:

Gizmodo, Drudge Fooled by Fake 'TSA Porn'
THAT'S NOT AN IMAGE FROM A BODY SCANNER, JUST A NUDE MODEL
http://www.newser.com/story/79466/gizmodo-drudge-fooled-by-fake-tsa-porn.html

and

MSM turning TSA issue into "Tea Party was right" declaration.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9622197

and

Huckabee's not just wooing social conservatives in Iowa. He's a vile creature.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x532927

These are the threads that have me thinking today.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:22 AM
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2. I saw this quote about the house un-american activity..that got me thinking
"In the fifties, the most effective sanction was terror. Almost any publicity from HUAC meant the 'blacklist.' Without a chance to clear his name, a witness would suddenly find himself without friends and without a job.But it is not easy to see how in 1969 a HUAC blacklist could terrorize an SDS activist. Witnesses like Jerry Rubin have openly boasted of their contempt for American institutions. A subpoena from HUAC would be unlikely to scandalize Abbie Hoffman or his friends. "-The Harvard Crimson

apparently,the hippies and revolutionaries of the sixties laid it to rest...
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:23 AM
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3. Ask the Koch Brothers: they're behind the outrage
http://www.thenation.com/article/156647/tsastroturf-washington-lobbyists-and-koch-funded-libertarians-behind-tsa-scandal

So far, all we know about “ordinary guy” John Tyner III, the freedom fighter who took on the TSA agents, is that, according to a friendly hometown profile in the San Diego Union-Tribune, "he leans strongly libertarian and doesn’t believe in voting. TSA security policy, he asserts ‘isn’t Republican and it isn’t Democratic.’”

Tyner attended private Christian schools in Southern California and lives in Oceanside, a Republican stronghold next to Camp Pendleton, the largest Marine Corps base on the West Coast.

At least one local TSA administrator wondered if Tyner hadn’t come to the airport prepared to create a scandal. Tyner switched on his recording device before even entering the checkpoint—and recorded himself as he refused to go through the body scanner. Most importantly, Tyner recorded himself saying “If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested!”—which quickly morphed on blogs into the more media-savvy tagline, “Don’t touch my junk!”

...

Strangely enough, just a few days before Tyner’s episode, another self-described “libertarian,” Meg McLain, went online telling almost the exact same story of oppression and attempted sexual molestation at the hands of TSA agents. McLain is an occasional co-host of a libertarian radio show out of a libertarian quasi-commune located in Keene, New Hampshire. As reported in the Washington City Paper, the libertarian “Free Keene” movement where McLain makes her home is yet another libertarian project tied to the billionaire Koch brothers, the prime backers of the Tea Party campaign, through the Koch-funded Mercatus Center at George Mason University.


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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 12:10 PM
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6. Wow, fascinating - an interesting picture is emerging
Thanks for posting that and the link.
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:33 AM
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4. better parallels
Because this happens en masse rather than to specific individuals, more apt parallels are security states. East Berlin during the Cold War is a good analogy - once you enter the TSA security zone you have no more rights than an East German had in East Berlin. They got shot if they tried to leave - we shoot people in the wallet instead. This is more attributable to national character (money is to us what the military was to Prussia) than differences in intent and nature of the systems. DHS is our Stasi, complete with secret enemy lists.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:46 AM
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5. excellent points
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