China will not welcome the US aircraft carrier joining the exercises

[NNN0LHI]

http://www.khaleejtimes.ae/DisplayArticle09.asp?xfile=data/international/2010/November/international_November1235.xml§ion=international

US aircraft carrier heads for Korean waters (Reuters)

24 November 2010, 4:22 PM

A US aircraft carrier group set off for Korean waters on Wednesday, a day after North Korea rained artillery shells on a South Korean island.

The incident is seen as a move likely to enrage Pyongyang and unsettle its ally, China. snip

Beijing will not be pleased by the deployment of the aircraft carrier and will not respond to such pressure, said Xu Guangyu, a retired major-general in the Peoples Liberation Army who now works for a government-run arms control organisation.

China will not welcome the US aircraft carrier joining the exercises, because that kind of move can escalate tensions and not relieve them, he said. snip

[HEyHEY]

1. Fuck them

They use North Korea as a bargaining chip too often. And are still doing so. "Will not respond to such pressure" he says. What fucking pressure is being put on China? TO actually do something about North Korea?

[NNN0LHI]

2. Easy to say that when you live in Canada

If they cut off loaning us any more money we could be in real big trouble down here.

Don

[HEyHEY]

3. I live in China

I just get so tired of the chest thumping and rhetoric. The USA would be best to even up the dough somehow and tell them to get stuffed.

[Subdivisions]

11. I was under the impression that China stopped loaning us money

back in March or so?

:shrug:

[Eddie Haskell]

4. We're stretched pretty thin already.

How much more can we take on?

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. If this goes hot, FINALLY they will have no choice

but to start a DRAFT.

Now I suspect NK has gotten this ahem annoying since Bush removed some of the troops from the peninsula and removed all from the DMZ...

Yes we went from 40K to 25K... and while they ARE a trip wire... more troops make for a better trip wire.

[krispos42]

7. The Army, Air Force, and Marines are pretty busy.

The Navy, I wouldn't think not so much. I can't see them doing a heck of a lot in Afghanistan and Iraq is relativly quiet and a low-tech insurgency, not an organized war machine.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

8. well exactly

[Pavulon]

22. When was the last thomahawk launched? Last B2 sortie?

been awhile. We can turn the lights out blow up every dam, civil works, bridge, powerstation and group of 10 or more dudes pulling pud at exactly 3:14am tomorrow if needed.

There is what we are doing in afganistan and open war. not the same, no hearts and minds no CI, just targets on a map.

[DJ13]

5. Our military doesnt answer to China

[Rosa Luxemburg]

10. What is Japan's role in this?

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Well if you must ask

the Washington BattleGroup is based at Yokuska... and they fall UNDER OUR DEFENSE UMBRELLA.

And let's just say Japan and Korea don't have precisely a nice history... for China and Japan I could mention Nanking...

Silly me thinking of The Gulf of Tonkin

[Rosa Luxemburg]

30. interesting

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. This is far more serious than anybody thought

and that is all I can say about this.

And for the record the George Washington is a newer Nimitz Class Carrier... not something to sneeze at. She is going there with her full battle-group and they are FORWARD deployed at Yokuska Japan anyway.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

12. it would be better to send a large nuclear powered submarine!

the carrier can't hide at a moment's notice

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. One or two of those are part of the battlegroup

Oh and they SUCK at showing the flag, which is part of this exercise.

[thunder rising]

26. Ha ha! Once the location of a sub is know, it's too late to hide. It would be embarrassing.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

31. nobody would know

[Obamanaut]

35. Yokosuka nt

[PufPuf23]

13. Mentioned this in a post in a LBN thread.

China will side with NK in any escalation.

Our regional allies and assets are sitting ducks as targets.

China and Russia (two members of the Shanghai Cooperation Association) just announced their mutual trade would no longer be in dollars. Russia has more natural resources and better defended natural resources than any nation.

Hope NK/SK is more international kabuki as we do not need another hot war.

[Eddie Haskell]

15. SCO

The Shanghai Cooperation Organisation or SCO (pronounced /ˈsco/ Sh-coo; Russian: Шанхайская организация сотрудничества ( ШОС)), is an intergovernmental military alliance which was founded in 2001 in Shanghai by the leaders of China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan. Except for Uzbekistan, the other countries had been members of the Shanghai Five, founded in 1996; after the inclusion of Uzbekistan in 2001, the members renamed the organisation.

[Canuckistanian]

21. "Shanchaiskaya"

That looks so funny in Cyrillic.

[Better Believe It]

14. The U.S. war hawks are whooping it up for war. Does anyone think North Korea is afraid of the US?

Not this Stalinist regime.

They are willing to call bluffs.

[Pavulon]

24. Saddam had a big army, we left it rotting in Kuwait. People actually

complained we were killing to many of them. he used soviet methods too. we left a million dead chinese in korea last time around. technology evolves.

[roamer65]

17. If NK lights it up...I expect China to invade Taiwan.

It would be an opportune time for them and they would convert many of their idle factories to war production.

[FarCenter]

18. It will give the Chinese an opportunity to closely observe the George Washington battle group

Some "trawlers" and other small vessels should do the job. Maybe a few overflights.

[Antiderivative]

19. Why should they? SK was kicking a hungry and sleeping dog.

[proteus_lives]

20. China can go fuck themselves.

They need to control their NK dogs.

[Old and In the Way]

23. I used to think China would hold NK's saber rattling in check.

But now I wonder if tese overt acts of aggression weren't implicitly approved by China? Ramping up the tensions on the Korean peninsula will further stress our military posture in the region. Can we really back up our military commitments to South Korea, given our 10 year ongoing grind in the ME? Is China forcing us to confront the limitations of our influence in the Far East? China is extending her economic influence, cutting deals for raw materials in all corners of the world - I wonder how this conflict plays into that strategy and her global ambitions? I also wonder if China perceives any economic benefit closer to home by tying South Korea up with a growing NK threat? It's not clear to me who really gains from a hot war between North and South Korea.

[roamer65]

29. My opinion...Pyongyang does not even fart without clearing it with Beijing first.

The Chinese and Kim Jong Crazy are up to something.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. 'cording to the guys from the BBC this time they may

which is really making all of us go... if that is the case that's bad.

[Old and In the Way]

34. I think that's a given.

There's another factor to consider wrt North Koera's internal affairs - the recent ascension of Kim Jong-Il's son, Kim Jong-un to the military leadership and eventual head-of-state. This guy is Swiss private school educated, so I wonder how westernized he is in thinking/attitudes. Could this be some kind of test for him? Like this situation needs another unknown, untested variable in the mix...

[ShamelessHussy]

33. they are dependent on their very existence to China, so they do not jump till China says so

and their only response is how high.

not sure why we continue to provoke them though, as i am sure our people understand that they are a proxy for China, and they would not be an easy case for a military solution.

however, i do fear that some banksters see wwIII as the only way out of the mess they have created.

[Old and In the Way]

36. That's a scary thought.....

We are in an economic mess and I sure hope that this isn't motivation for doing something stupid. I'm thankful Bush/Cheney aren't calling the shots. very doubtful this would ever turn into a ground based, conventional war. This isn't Korea, 1950 and China's certainly not the China of 1950. But a naval/air war could be just as disastrous for us as well. I can't think our obvious nuclear superiority could or would be used in a regional theater conflict where we don't have an existential threat rationale. I see no good military options/solutions for us in the region.

[somone]

25. Fuck China

There is something called International Waters.

[thunder rising]

28. If NK was coming across the line they would have done so. Not everybody is as dumb as Saddam.