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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:38 PM
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Fliers Claim TSA Have Deactivated Body Scanners
http://gizmodo.com/5698536/fliers-claim-tsa-have-deactivated-body-scanners



According to tweeting travelers, many backscatter and millimeter-wave AIT scanning machines at airports are not in use at all, making opting out impossible. We've asked DHS/TSA for comment, but you can help us confirm.

Not every airport in the country even has the "Advanced Imaging Technology" scanners installed. (A post at FlyerTalk.com has an up-to-date list of airports with the machines, as well as specific terminals.

Gizmodo commenter "The Dewd" posted the above image showing Twitter updates that indicate that many of the machines are off, including this tweet from "_msw": Through TSA checkpoint at SEA in 10 minutes flat. Many backscatter scanners are off. No scan, no patdown. #SEA #optout #TSA
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:43 PM
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1. Citizens prepared to protest, govt. backs down.
:thumbsup:
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:02 AM
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3. govt. backs down
No, they just reduced the potential that the protests might work by temporarily eliminating the problem.

All day long the cable news channels were claiming the protest never happened, that people werent concerned about the scanners or pat downs.

(See? The public doesnt mind!)

It was a concerted effort all around to keep the protests limited so the government could claim no one is concerned.

The scanners will be in use again, as soon as the government thinks the controversy has died down.
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:06 AM
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5. Ding*Ding*Ding* We have a WINNA!
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:42 AM
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12. +100000000
Of course you are correct.
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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 01:37 AM
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17. Back in business...
likely after this weekend.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 01:46 AM
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18. This is more correct than the first statement
They neutered the protest. But they did notice. And yeah, they'll be everywhere soon enough. And I won't agree to either.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:05 AM
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4. Not quite, they got ahead of the story
tomorrow's headline... no op out, people agree with it.

That said the report for LAX is partial, so it might be SOME terminals, We know people did opt out at some places.

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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:40 AM
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9. i hope this is right...i hope making noise made somebody come to their senses
even if they feel like they can't advertise that it's what happened.

i still have concerns...but let's see.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:58 PM
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2. I'm hoping the TSA agents are in mutiny.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:41 AM
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11. good thought...they are people, who's to say some of them didn't have some of the same concerns
:shrug:
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 01:57 AM
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21. Do you really think they would turn off anything unless they were
instructed to do so? Please.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 02:05 AM
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23. no but if enough of them refused to do certain things, it would be hard to get the job done
i'm not saying i believe that's what happened, but if employees refuse to do the dirty work of their bosses, it's gonna have a hard time getting done.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 01:55 AM
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20. Something tells me TSA agents won't do anything unless
ordered to do so by higher ups.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 07:43 AM
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28. I expect these scanners will result in jobs for young people -
they will start hiring college graduates to do this (at low wages of course).

And I expect them to roll them out to other locations as well.
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Bill O Rights Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:32 AM
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6. WHY WE MUST CONTINUE THE FIGHT!!
Copy and Forward this to everyone you know who cares about each other and our rights as citizens.

THIS MUST NOT CONTINUE!! THIS IS NOT THE CHANGE I VOTED FOR!!!!!

http://www.aclu.org/passengers-stories-recent-travel/
The following comments are from people JUST LIKE YOU who have been ASSAULTED by the TSA

I opted out and was sexually molested in public. The method used to search my body was on par with a sexual massage by a stranger of the same sex. My penis was touched by a man. My anus and groin were rubbed by a man. My scalp was rubbed by the same person. How can this be acceptable...? These TSA agents are not qualified to deal with the psychological or ethical responsibility of this technology.
- Joe in New Mexico
I was visibly upset and when he started to fondle me inappropriately I yelled "I want to see your supervisor!" I asked (emphatically) if he was legally allowed to grab my genitals and the supervisor said he was. After fondling my genitals he groped my buttocks and told me to have a good flight.
- Allen, Nebraska
In and around breasts, both arms and legs, inside of legs, up to and including genitals (although I clenched the top of my thighs to limit the officer's groping. Legs a second time, but from the rear (where her hand ran up my bum crack). Entire inside waistband of pants, both from the front and rear. Lifted up my hair (already in a ponytail), inside collar of shirt.
- Sharon, Massachusetts

The pat down was so invasive that the woman doing it stuck her thumb through my jeans into my vagina, significantly more than simple resistance. She cupped each of my breasts, and ran her hand inside the waistband of my jeans.... I am upset, humilated, degraded and feel abused and criminal, when I am guilty of nothing.
- Janet from Maryland
The TSA agent used her hands to feel under and between my breasts. She then rammed her hand up into my crotch until it jammed into my pubic bone.... I was touched in the pubic region in between my labia.... She then moved her hand across my pubic region and down the inner part of my upper thigh to the floor. She repeated this procedure on the other side. I was shocked and broke into tears.
- Mary in Texas

In the 4 times she explored the area where my inner thigh met my crotch, she touched my labia each time, and one pass made contact with my clitoris, through 2 layers of clothing. I told her I felt humiliated, assaulted and abused.... In my work as a nurse, if I did what the TSA did against a patient's will it would be considered assault and battery, and I did not see how the TSA should have different rules.
- Chris
This is the most humiliating experience of my entire life. Having another male on his knees in front or behind me and feeling my private areas. And in full view of other passengers. It is a disgusting sight. I now can not sleep due to the thoughts of these agents on their knees feeling my private areas.... I have never, ever been so humiliated and will never, ever fly as long as this policy is in effect.
- Ron Wilson, California

I was shaking and crying the entire time. I was begging them to hurry up but they kept stopping and telling me to calm down. It is impossible to gain composure when a stranger has her hands in your underwear. A crowd gathered and watched and I never felt so humiliated. After it was over, I ran into the ladies' room where I vomited and cried until my plane was boarding.
- Melissa, Massachusetts

While in the "private room"... the agent inappropriately touched my genitalia (more than once) and made me feel incredibly uncomfortable. The agent also pulled down my shorts (about halfway), and I had to ask the agent to let me pull them back up. I was inappropriately touched, groped, rubbed, massaged and sexually harrassed. The procedure was violating, degrading, invasive and humiliating.
- Scott in New Mexico

The TSA agent did not give me the option of going through the screening machine. She put her hand forcefully in between my legs and took it all the way up into my genital area. She then pressed on my breasts just like a doctor would during a breast exam. She then lifted my dress and put her hands inside of my leggings around my waist.... It was so rough that I felt the effects of it throughout the day.
- Dina Pember, Kennesaw, Georgia

4 other male and female TSA agents watched while she ran her hands up and down my body, starting with my hair and then going all over, including my breasts and vaginal area.
- A physician, Michigan

This new procedure was absolutely humiliating. She touched my limbs, my torso, my breasts, and rubbed my vagina with her fingers three separate times. I might have understood one rub. Three rubs was NOT acceptable. My pants were thin cotton.... As soon as I left the security area, I began to cry. My husband and I had spent one of the best weeks of our lives together for our honeymoon, and it was destroyed on the way home.
- Tiff, North Carolina

I was with two strangers, one of whom now had both of her open palms moving slowly across virtually every part of my body. She barely moved them as she groped both of my breasts. And most disturbingly, her hands karate-chopped their way a full two inches up into my vagina through my slacks. She performed this maneuver not once, but twice: once from behind me, and then once again, standing/bending in front of me.
- Alex, Washington state

The TSA agent squeezes my thighs and runs his hand up until they touched my testicles on both of my legs. This was done in full view of everyone in line. This was very uncomfortable, humiliating and seemed very unnecessary. If given the choice, I will do everything in my power to drive rather than take any commercial flights if this is the new standard of TSA screening.... I do not feel safer. I feel violated....
- Max, North Carolina

I was the only female in a crowd of men. Even though I was not next in line, I was called over to the body scanner. As I got closer to the scanner, I could clearly hear him say "got a cute one, some DD's." ... I was appalled and decided at that point to "opt out" of the scanner.... I was then put through the pat down procedure which I only can only describe as sexual assault.
- Caitlin, Connecticut

The female TSA agent did not advise me of an alternative and after she directed me through the scanner she conducted the "pat-down" WITHOUT my permission or WITHOUT warning that she would be making direct and forceful contact with my genitals FOUR times! I felt sexually violated and yet afraid to protest for fear that I would be put on some kind of no-fly list or miss my flight.
- Kim, Hawaii

Simply, I was sexually assaulted. My breasts were caressed in an almost amorous manner. And on the second canvassing of my groin, single-finger pressure was applied to my labia majora - the plane of which was near-broken, during which the agent made a wildly off-color remark.
- B. from Maryland


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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:40 AM
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10. I am so fucking angry I could explode. nt
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 03:52 AM
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42. Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee too!!
I am really pissed and I am not backing off.







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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:42 AM
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13. That makes me want to vomit.
Or cry.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:50 AM
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14. Sickening, ain't it?
:grr:
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 01:02 AM
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15. This needs to be an OP
with link.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 03:20 AM
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26. Inappropriate touching is sexual assault
Use these steps in reporting sexual assault:

* When reporting sexual assault, document as many details as possible, as soon as possible. Accurate recall of events will fade quickly, and documentation in sufficient detail soon after an incident is thought of as more reliable evidence in the legal proceedings that will follow.


* Note the location and time of any events. Describe the number and characteristics of the assailant or assailants. Write down as much detail as possible about the circumstances surrounding the assault as soon as possible after the assault. Make an effort to recall each and every aspect of what occurred during the assault and turn over this information to law enforcement. Each of these details increases the chances that the suspect will be caught and successfully prosecuted:

o Each activity


o The sequence of activities


o How long each activity lasted


o What was said and by whom


o The number of times that resistance was offered


o The type of resistance


o Any unusual details


o Any associated physical assault


o Any pain


o Types of threats that were used

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/sexual_assault/article_em.htm

National Sexual Assault Hotline: 1.800.656.HOPE

http://www.rainn.org/get-help/national-sexual-assault-hotline
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 11:44 PM
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33. whoa...are they touching our genital area and then our heads? Anyone know?
That is disusting. Anyone tries that with me. I am screaming for a glove change!

Ever seen in the bathorooms ..employees must wash their hands?

Why are the TSA agents allowed to touch our groin area's and then our heads without washing their hands and changing gloves?

And are TSA agents changing gloves and washing hands between each person they touch?

I got MRSA from my dying mother in law in the hospital.

Although I got the full medical treatment for it, I occasionally get little bumps in my scalp..any Doctor here???..could it be spread to others if they felt through my hair and scalp if I had the bumps..and didn't change their gloves????????

What germs could we be getting from others?

Just the thought of it gags me.

No one will touch me without me seeing them change gloves. That is a promise..I will scream if they try to touch me with dirty contaminated gloves!

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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 11:46 PM
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34. I think everybody should demand TSA agent puts on clean gloves
every time they pat someone down.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 01:37 AM
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40. EXTORTION! Either go through their machines or be sexually assaulted!
You will comply or you will be sexually assaulted!
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 01:21 PM
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44. Holy Fuck!
:wow: :puke: :argh:
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Bill O Rights Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:35 AM
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7. Remember WHY they are forcing us into the scanners
Because Chertoff and others are making MILLIONS as our family, friends and neighbors are sexually assaulted.

Also remember to GOOGLE Kurt Haskell and learn more about the Underwear Bomber issue and decide for yourself it there is a possiblity that the event was purposefully staged to influence public opinion so that they could force the scanners and the punitive sexual assault upon the public.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:37 AM
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8. That explains things.
.gov turns off the pornoscanners for today, just so they could say "See, the protesters didn't turn out!"

Except that a bunch of them did, but didn't have the chance for shenanigans because the machines weren't running.

Which makes me wonder exactly how necessary they really are to keep the airport and the planes secure, since the .gov figured they could do without them on one of the busiest flying days of the year...
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 01:03 AM
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16. another odd thing...the underwear incident happened a year ago
what took them 11 months to start the new pat down
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 11:48 PM
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35. The scanners weren't ready yet.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 01:50 AM
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19. They aren't necessary. They want our obedience and when it was clear they weren't
going to today, they neutered the protest. It was never about safety. It was and is about training us to be obedient in an increasingly police state like atmosphere.

We're slowly boiling frogs.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 02:00 AM
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22. Yes, that's the telling part.
They have no problem turning the scanners off when it serves their agenda.

It is NOT about safety.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 12:15 AM
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37. DING DING DING you win the prize!! But let us all remember this when people here at DU say the
XRAYS and sexual assault are needed for our SO CALLED SECURITY!

DO NOT BE FOOLED OR LET OTHERS BE FOOLED! SHUT DOWN THE LIARS IMMEDIATELY!
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uncle ray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 02:13 AM
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24. jeezus, what a fucking farce.
good thing the terrorists didn't get the memo.

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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 03:11 AM
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25. Profits are made on the sales of the machines.
Not the use.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 02:42 PM
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32. b i n g o. The stench of corruption is pervasive. nt
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 07:40 AM
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27. Kick. nt
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 10:26 AM
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29. So the TSA
didn't care about "our safety" yesterday, just that the protest looked to be a failure. Psyops.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 11:29 AM
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30. Kick. nt
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Celtic Raven Donating Member (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 01:54 PM
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31. Kicking again
for the truth. Busiest day of the year for flights and TSA shut down the pornoscanners they've been telling everyone are necessary to keep Americans safe.

Yeah right.

:grr:






K&R
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 11:55 PM
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36. K&R (n/t)
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Eyerish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 12:33 AM
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38. Kick
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 12:35 AM
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39. Kick! nt
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 03:46 AM
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41. What a joke!
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Eyerish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 12:35 PM
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43. Kick
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guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 02:45 PM
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45. kick
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