They are afraid of YOU

[lame54]

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/last-thoughts-before-turkey

November 25th, 2010 3:01 AM
Last Thoughts Before the Turkey Comes Calling

By Michael Moore

As I head off for Thanksgiving, I wanted to share a final thought with you about this past week's news regarding the health care executives who sat around that table in Philadelphia four years ago and decided on a course of action to, if need be, "push Michael Moore off a cliff."

Having spent the week reading all their secret documents (and the book "Deadly Spin"), it's clear that there was something far more scary to these companies than me.
They were, in fact, scared of you. They were afraid YOU would end up pushing them over their own greedy cliff.

Yes, they spied on me and my family in the hopes of finding something with which to smear me and my film, "Sicko." Finding nothing (sorry, guys, I live a pretty boring life), they then resorted to the old chestnuts that have been hurled at me by General Motors, the Bush White House, the National Rifle Association and others since my first film 20 years ago, and they essentially boil down to this:


" Prepare for the Worst Case...SiCKO evolves into a sustained populist movement."



There it is. Their biggest fear. Their "worst case" scenario. That YOU, the American public, would rise up against them. I wasn't their worst nightmare -- you were. Their own research and private polling showed that you were getting fed up with how they were screwing you, gouging you, ripping you off, denying you coverage and flat out just kicking you off the insurance. They knew, according to Potter, that they were killing 45,000 of you every year simply by denying you coverage...

[KittyWampus]

1. Americans seem excessively resistant to Populist activism.

[drm604]

4. Probably because they're excessively vulnerable to corporate propaganda.

I wish I knew what we could do about it.

[lame54]

8. Keep your eye on the shiny object

[Swamp Rat]

25. Yes. Obey.

[lame54]

32. That reminds me of the time...

that our company brought in security to watch the employees and I found an opened bag of gummie worms in the back room.
I stopped and looked at them for a while thinking that they were making a game of this.
How funny would it be for them to catch an employing "grazing" from an open bag by using actual worms, as if they were fishing.
I picked up the bag in view of the cameras and took it to the front desk.
To this day I believe that is what was going down.

[tpsbmam]

22. And because TPTB have been invested for decades now in keeping Americans stupid. n/t

[Enthusiast]

70. And that investment has paid

huge dividends.

[wial]

28. a lot of it is because so many of us

are overworked. If we had more time and energy, we'd have more tolerance for disruption. But when we feel (or are made to feel by propanganda) that we are hanging on by the skin of our teeth, and we come home praying no more obligations be set upon us, it's hard to let in information that makes us feel obliged to act.

In the words of the great situationist rock band of the 80s though, The Gang of Four

"please send me evenings and weekends ... shared by with the weeks"

I for one feel, with completely-unprecedented-in-all-human-existence climate change upon us, it is the solemn duty of every conscious person to run to the battlements and save this planet from destruction, and very soon I'll be voluntarily free of my meaningless corporate job and I'll be giving my blood and marrow to stopping the march of "progress" towards a charred desert landscape and working to turn us towards a green future again.

No other issue matters except in that we need an unfearful populace to get this done, so taking care of human health, education, social security do matter.

If we don't act to reverse processes already well underway, we'll be back to where we were 250 million years ago, the last time the climate ran off the rails to the degree science is foreseeing in the next few decades. 95% of all higher life died.

If we could take the burden off people, shorten the work day and work week, extend vacation, share wealth and resources, reconfigure economics so it's closer to ecology in what it measures, we might have the energy and mental space to solve this one as a species. If not, well, no doubt not all planets survive the dawning of intelligence.

[madmax]

33. Would Rec this post 100 x's

You said it all. :applause: :toast:

[thanks_imjustlurking]

39. Please post this as an OP.

:applause:

[Enthusiast]

72. Interesting post.

You sound like a damn hippie. :sarcasm:

[The Doctor.]

84. And that is by design.

Bringing prosperity to the working classes will give them the opportunity to enlighten themselves. The corporations are quite terrified of that ever happening because it could wind up getting them regulated, taxed, and forced to deal earnestly with labor.

[madokie]

86. So much truth in so few words

[The Doctor.]

83. Beat them in the free market.

And then do not give in to the temptation to manipulate the system the same way they do.

[drm604]

90. That's your answer?

You're asking ethical people who are not willing to manipulate the public to beat out unethical manipulative people in the free market? Good luck with that.

[The Doctor.]

94. Actually, I have the formulas.

Just no means of implementation.

[TBF]

9. No they aren't - the teabaggers are quite actively protesting

Granted they are philosophically opposed to the type of economic system I'd like to see, but they are resisting the status quo.

[lame54]

10. The lawn chair radicals...

there #'s are completely inflated by the media

[EFerrari]

12. "Lawn chair radicals"!

:applause:

[loudsue]

11. Funding motivates the teabaggers. And they are well funded, well programmed, and

are given positive feedback at every turn by their corporate masters (and the Koch brothers).

You give 90% Americans money, a job to do, and a pat on the back and they'll jump through any hoop you hold out there.

[Capitalocracy]

14. +1. Astroturf doesn't count, regardless of how successful it is. nt

[defendandprotect]

41. T-baggers are sponsored by Koch Bros and run out of a PR firm....

which guarantees them exposure --

[TBF]

85. We know that - but I don't think they do. They think they're fighting the status quo.

I only comment on it because I do believe they are dangerous (unless the repub party gets sick of them and convinces the Koch bros. to cut their funding)... A revolution led by fundies in this country is not the revolution I'd like to see.

[defendandprotect]

100. Certainly, the leadership knows ... in same way that "GOP/pro-life murder" leadership knows ....

and agree re the dangers ---

IMO, this is the next step in the right wing/GOP effort to create new disruptive

political activity and near-violence by this group.

The only way the right wing can rise is by violence -- stolen elections -- lies.

We've had more than 50 years of right wing political violence which came out into

the open in '63 taking not only our president but our "people's" government.

[Enthusiast]

73. I didn't see them lift a

finger against Citizens United. This while they were up in arms over health care reform. The Tea Party is an astro turf movement created to protect the interests of corporate America.

[fasttense]

80. They are not resisting their corporate masters. They are being led by them.

The corporations fund and support the teabaggers. How can that be resisting, when the corporate aristocracy is cheering them on and supporting them?

[TBF]

81. We know that, but do they? They think they are fighting against the status quo.

Do you really think any of them understand who is financing them?

It is one of the dangers I see in this country right now. The only folks fighting back (in any sense, even if they don't know they are corporate pawns) are the extreme religious fanatics. With a split vote someone like Palin could be elected president.

[defendandprotect]

101. Did the "GOP/pro-life-murderers" actually know who was financing and leading them....?

Same thing -- but debate is tough in a situation where violence and murder are the

response from the other side -- and where "god" is said to be on their side!

Evidently, the leadership used methadone clinics to solicit people to protest at

clinics -- and paid them.

Money buys minds --

[drm604]

2. K&R for Michael

:kick:

[tinrobot]

3. It's why the right tries so hard to sow the seeds of hate.

When the bottom 95% are fighting each other over bullshit issues, they can't band together and rise up against the top 5%.

[socialist_n_TN]

15. You know, this is SO true.............

that it's almost become a cliche. But cliches are cliches actually BECAUSE THEY'RE TRUE.

This method is the way the capitalists have ALWAYS kept their power. Divide and conquer. It's worked for centuries.

[Karenina]

19. Americans concept of SOLIDARITY has been fatally distorted

by its white supremacist underpinnings... It's quite disturbing to watch.

[Cherchez la Femme]

82. White supremacist?

While I cannot, nor wish to, deny that the Teabaggers are racists,
nor would I tell such a lie,
it was hardly all white supremacists, I will never forget when I posted an article from a major newspaper which stated that the Health Insurance Companies were celebrating what the final Health Insurance (not Health 'Care') bill would be

and instead of 'Solidarity' and action to try to avert or ameliorate what would negatively financially impact most of us and benefit the wealthy few, instead of demanding Public Option or Single Payer, the Democratic "leaders" and their point-talkers rolled over and played dead while declaring they were Schutzhunds. Identified but downplayed were the major problems and major expenses for probably a very many in the so-called 'Lower Class' and what's left of the 'Middle Class'; -- less than 15% of the population would "get" Health Insurance (i.e. by law pay for it, mandatory) but all of were to pay immediate, kited costs (for instance my health insurance premiums went from $650- to $1100- per month just recently; and no more dental.)
And this years before the 'Insurance for All' (& a rubber chicken in every pot) actually kicks in!
Even among Democrats.
Not only were the Health Insurance Companies (Company's?) celebrating; many "Democratic Leaders" and their talking-pointers were touting this as the best thing since sliced bread and heavily criticizing, nay, insulting,
those that dared to remark upon the disconnect regarding the relatively recent declarations and avocations of said Leaders.
Even among "Progressive Democrats" right on this site
I was roundly excoriated for daring to post that article.
But forget about me, I'm nobody; that one post was nothing compared the jaw-gaping, fickle denigration dealt out here toward Michael Moore, a truth-teller -- Fact-Checking is his middle name.


It's downright shocking.


It's way more than 'white supremacists', unless many "Progressive Democrats" are now considered such.

Solidarity? Hardly. Just what I consider fractured, separate solidarities (deliberate lower case) of people with Non-Personal,Non-Societal (as in negating the good of) Agendas;
what I call the 3 C's: Corporatists, Cultists &/or Casuistrists.

[Enthusiast]

74. Exactly correct. Great point. nt

[jonthebru]

64. You got it.

The best thing we can do is incite the repugthug, Grandiose Obese Potty to fight among themselves.

[B Calm]

5. They depend on their propaganda to keep voters ignorant and

I must admit they're doing a damn good job.

[defendandprotect]

50. +1000% ..

I was going to say that --

[Enthusiast]

75. They have an entire TV network

at their disposal, fer Christ's sake. Is it any wonder their bullshit is effective?

[Celtic Raven]

6. K&R nt

[Old Codger]

7. Basically

Not a lot has changed regardless of all the hullabaloo over the "great" :sarcasm: health care "reform" :sarcasm: Pretty disappointing really.

[Capitalocracy]

13. And WE... failed. Miserably.

But it's not over yet.

[lame54]

16. time for a resurgence

[Edweird]

17. Conveniently, Obama stood up for the insurance industry instead of us.

[spin]

21. Was he bought and owned like everyone else in Washington when the healthcare sellout happened?

Or was he stabbed in the back by Nancy Pelosi?

[ooglymoogly]

27. When Obama, speaking from both faces, was grandstanding on how he was working for a

public option, with public opinion through the roof he was blindsided by both Harry and Nancy, proclaiming they had the votes to push it through....(0), having already made a duplicitous backroom deal to kill the public option, quickly came out publicly and said "Public Option" NOT a deal breaker, pissing on all those who had worked so hard to get the public option passed. That bit of kabuki, is unforgivable and can never be explained away by the (0) passifiers.

[spin]

29. That's the way I see it.

Obama looked to Pelosi and Reid for help, little realizing that they were working behind his back to kill the public option.

Now it's beginning to look like another twenty years before we have another chance to pass a fair healthcare system.

[Laelth]

34. Huh?

Obama killed the public option. Pelosi passed a bill with the public option, and Obama saw to it that it was killed because it conflicted with the backroom deal he had made with the insurance industry.

-Laelth

[defendandprotect]

45. +1000%

[awoke_in_2003]

67. I give Madame Speaker grief sometimes...

but she knocked it out of the park, only to have it thrown back at her.

[JJ]

42. Wow, it was explained fairly clearly,

yet you still managed to get it 100% backwards.

Obama made a back-room deal with the insurance industry to kill the public option before Pelosi or Reid got anywhere near it.

[spin]

53. I keep making excuses for Obama ...

but it is getting harder every day.

[defendandprotect]

44. Here's the way Rahm saw it and "crowed" about it ....as preserving PRIVATE HC industry.....

Rahm .... crowing about preserving "private health care industry" ... business s/b grateful!Thursday, August 12, 2010 10:03 AM


Here is the quote: ”In a Thursday interview, White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel argued that rather than recoiling against Obama, business leaders should be grateful for his support on at least a half-dozen counts: his advocacy of greater international trade and education reform open markets despite union skepticism; his rejection of calls from some quarters to nationalize banks during the financial meltdown; the rescue of the automobile industry; the fact that the

overhaul of health care preserved the private delivery system;

the fact that billions in the stimulus package benefited business with lucrative new contracts, and that financial regulation reform will take away the uncertainty that existed with a broken, pre-crash regulatory apparatus.

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=B2F85DDF-18...

[Marr]

54. I remember that-- it actually stunned me.

I think it was obvious that these guys were corporate shills by that time, but to come right out and crow about 'saving the private healthcare industry' really surprised me. They don't often state their priorities so plainly. The Obama Administration stepped in just when the industry was about to collapse beneath it's own corruption and greed, and rescued it with *our* tax money, and mandates to purchase their fraudulent crap.

Our system is really eating itself now. It's pretty amazing.

[defendandprotect]

95. Our tax $$ are often funding the crimes inflicted on the public ....

Obama's complicity in all of this -- and his pretense of innocence -- continues

to shock me!

[sabrina 1]

59. And one of those businesses that benefited from the Stimulus

package was Rapiscan, the manufacturers of the Full Body Scanners. After six years of not being able to sell them, this democratic administration bought them from the money from the Stimulus package, and Obama invited the CEO of Rapiscan on his business trip to India with him. Is anyone surprised why he did not stand up for the American people regarding the destruction of their Constitutional rights, yet again?

Follow the money. And now it appears they are funding the slamming of those who are outraged over the adaption of these scanners, attempting to paint the outrage as 'rightwing' and divide the left and the right again, just as they appear to have common ground. I hope this doesn't work.

This WH rarely supports the people, especially when it's the People V Corporate interests. It really is shameful how duped we were.

[defendandprotect]

96. If the public were at all aware of what you're saying, the debate would change...

but evidently even Chris Matthews tried to deny connections to Chertoff

the other evening as reported by someone else!

They steal public's money and rather than being accountable, we find they've

successfully put in play another attack on Constiutional rights.


"We had to burn the village to save it!"

[sabrina 1]

58. Please, it was Obama and his DLC masters who sold out

to the Insurance industry and killed any chance of a PO. No doubt Nancy Pelosi was told to drop it. She says now that she and Congress cast some 'very unpopular votes' on behalf of the WH and they won't be doing it again. I hope she means that. She lost her leadership position by siding with Big Corps instead of the people who elected her. She should have stuck with the people, she'd still be Speaker if she had, on the Bailouts and on Health Care. She allowed herself to be led by the WH and Corporate America.

[ooglymoogly]

60. Did you even read my post? You have it exactly backward. nt

[spin]

93. I have to admit that I just skimmed it . (n/t)

[Enthusiast]

76. Nancy did not kill the Public Option.

The house version contained a public option. And it will not be another twenty years. It can start right now if people stop repeating misinformation.

[defendandprotect]

43. Obama/Baucus were heavily funded by health care industry .....

but Obama also made back room deals with Big Pharm to prevent Medicare

negotiation on drug prices --

and with private health care industry to keep single payer "off the table."

As Pelosi said a long time ago ....

"Obama was for a lot of things when he was campaigning ----

which he is no longer for ...."

[Edweird]

52. Actually, I'm kinda leaning towards a diferent theory altogether.

This may be kind of 'out there', but here goes: What if Obama withdrew his support for the public option during the 'reform' process in order to use it as a bargaining chip in the attack on social security? I know that sounds cynical, but at this point I don't find it unreasonable to present it as a possibility.

[Marr]

55. But he's *part* of the attack on Social Security.

He didn't have to adopt to the right-wing/Wall Street bullshit about Social Security being a part of the deficit. It's fiction-- but he set up a commission to advance the notion of social security cuts in the national dialogue.

[Edweird]

57. Correct.

He created the commission by executive order after congress shut him down and then appointed two known opponents of social security to chair it. His position is obvious.
I'm wondering if he was planning this all along and held back the public option intending to put it back on the table as a part of the deficit commission recommendations in order to attempt to silence those that would otherwise protest social security cuts (who would also be supporters of universal healthcare).

[Enthusiast]

77. That IS weird, Ed. nt

[Edweird]

92. Well, let's break it down.

I believe it's fair to say (speaking in broad generalities) that supporters of universal healthcare are also supporters of social security. Would you agree?

Broad opposition is what stopped w when he tried to attack social security.

Using the promise of some kind of public health plan may be a way to divide some of the defenders of social security on the left. It may make some of the protesters second guess their opposition or at least make their opposition less than 'full throated'.

It's just a half baked idea at the moment, but time will tell either way.

[defendandprotect]

97. Unfortunately, time has already made clear the complicity of Obama in a

downward spiral for America and our citizens --

from privatizing public education --

to keeping single payer off the table --

from assisting Simpson and GOP/Wall Street in their attempts to privatize Social Security

with the aim of destroying it --

to NOT ending these wars --

and on and on --

[WillyT]

18. HUGE K & R !!!

:mad:

:kick:

[proud patriot]

20. Thanks Micheal Moore

:-)

[Starry Messenger]

23. k&r

[pleah]

24. K&R

[suzanner]

26. go to stopbigmedia.com

give Sicko for gifts (although you'll have to bargain or do some kind of coercion for RWers to actually watch it.)

[ooglymoogly]

30. The reason liberals are so vilified by the "msm" and the GOP

is because they remain, for the most part un fooled; and see through them, and can be easily organized against them. They are the last danger to the Orwellian, "new world order", "the third way," In which the only rights left, will be for the ruling class of the world. Ancient Rome and fascism revisited.

[Enthusiast]

78. You have it.

This is why Limbaugh and the media PTB have exerted such effort to demonize the word 'liberal'. It used to be a label to be proud of. We are the only remaining barrier, the only "un fooled" as you say.

We can't have perpetual war if the hippies are in charge.

[flyarm]

31. Sure they are afraid of us.That was proven again Yesterday when most major Airports shut off their

XRAY machines and did little to no "patdowns of molestation"...they turned the machines off, because they were afraid or terrified of revolt by US..You and me!

[Laelth]

35. k&r for Michael Moore. n/t

-Laelth

[CLANG]

36. Turns out they needn't have worried...

[lame54]

37. ???

[CLANG]

49. Just responding to this in the OP:

There it is. Their biggest fear. Their "worst case" scenario. That YOU, the American public, would rise up against them.

[thanks_imjustlurking]

38. There's a lot more of us than there are of them. nt

[defendandprotect]

40. Elites are united in every way possible -- the public isn't ... not even seniors!!

[ooglymoogly]

63. Judging from the seniors I am in contact with, seniors despise him

with an anger that is hard to put into words...even those,(most of them) who voted for him.

The WH plays this down, but middle aged to seniors are a huge demographic and they vote. You can't casually play with what is life and death to them, SS and Health care and COLA; and expect them to vote for you. The elimination of the mandated by law, COLA was ham handedly eliminated by (0) when prices are going through the roof.

These middle aged to seniors, see the wealthcare bill for exactly what it is, another boondoggle for corporate America; with a few very expensive protections thrown in for which the industry can and do, charge anything they want.

[defendandprotect]

102. Agree ... but they are only united thru AARP ... which is an insurance company ...!!!

Decades ago it was obvious that we should have been uniting Americans being

impoverished by this elite attack on wages --

and even more so now --

Of course the COLA thing was political -- and I'm not really sure of how they pulled

it off -- but are you saying they permanently "eliminated" the COLA mandate?

[ooglymoogly]

104. My experience is that they are connected by legislation and rumors of legislation; legislation

that is against their interests. (0) has been farting around with putting SS, Medicare and medicaid on the chopping block and appointing rabid nutcases to the catfood commission to do just that. From what I am hearing, seniors went out in droves to vote out a democratic party that double crossed them; voting out 1/2 the bluedogs without significantly harming the progressives; many believing the pug propaganda that cynically wooed them with nothing but lies.

The WH cat food commission and the Prez are both hinting at an end to COLA. Many of us seniors tore up our AARP cards when that insurance co pushed and promoted the self immolating part D boondoggle for AARP and the corps was ingenuously enacted into law, meant to destroy SS and make a lot of drug co's and insurance co's like AARP much richer in the process. Not allowing seniors to shop elsewhere or collectively bargain, forced to buy drugs here at gazillion % markups, is just one of the damning evidences proving that.

[defendandprotect]

105. The attacks are no longer coming from one direction ... that's for sure ... !!!

[crim son]

46. Yeah, well, Mike,

they needn't have worried. Quel suprise, eh?

[Cobalt-60]

47. Michael Moore for President

[unkachuck]

48. K&R....you know, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat....n/t

[defendandprotect]

51. Suits me just fine!!

[avaistheone1]

66. I would quit my job and work for him for Prez if he decided to run.

The man has a tremendous heart along with tremendous courage.

:kick:

[slipslidingaway]

56. knr - that is why there was never an open discussion of other HC systems...

:(

[slipslidingaway]

61. These documents were available in July 2009 when Moyers interviewed Potter...

before the HC bill passed.

:shrug:

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/profile.html

"WENDELL POTTER: That means that part of the effort to discredit this film was to use lobbyists and their own staff to go onto Capitol Hill and say, "Look, you don't want to believe this movie. You don't want to talk about it. You don't want to endorse it. And if you do, we can make things tough for you."

BILL MOYERS: How?

WENDELL POTTER: By running ads, commercials in your home district when you're running for reelection, not contributing to your campaigns again, or contributing to your competitor.

BILL MOYERS: This is fascinating. You know, "Build awareness among centrist Democratic policy organizations--"

WENDELL POTTER: Right.

BILL MOYERS: "--including the Democratic Leadership Council."

WENDELL POTTER: Absolutely.

BILL MOYERS: Then it says, "Message to Democratic insiders. Embracing Moore is one-way ticket back to minority party status."

WENDELL POTTER: Yeah.

BILL MOYERS: Now, that's exactly what they did, didn't they? They--

WENDELL POTTER: Absolutely.

BILL MOYERS: --radicalized Moore, so that his message was discredited because the messenger was seen to be radical..."

[Major Hogwash]

65. That's very interesting. I don't think they can put the genie back in the bottle now though.

Potter's apology to Moore this week was part of the reality of healing.
Potter went a long ways toward that goal this week.

In fact, his whistle blowing on the industry will go down in history as one of the bravest things anyone has done to expose those rats.

The corporatization of American politics is coming near to a melting point, a China Syndrome of their own making.
The more money they throw into the races, the more ads they run, the faster they will scare people into voting for the other guy -- the one who stands on the back of a hay trailer and talks to people in real life instead of relying on the boob tube invasion of politicial ads.

We have a healthcare bill now.
It's not nearly what we wanted.
But, it's 1000 times more than what they wanted -- they didn't want one at all.

I think the next 2 years will be a battle over the very lives of the people that live in this country and realize that health care costs can only be supported by the very wealthy, or the federal government.
By 2012, the hue and cry will even be louder for a national health care bill with a public option or a cheap alternative.

I think that Potter should get some kind of award for what he did.
Maybe a Medal of Freedom from Obama.

For telling the truth about an industry that has relied on telling lies for several decades.
How is the health care industry any different than the cigarette manufacturers?
And they gave 100s of millions of donations to Southern political hacks.
You don't see anyone defending cigarette manufacturers in this country anymore these days.

[benfranklin1776]

89. A marvelous indictment of the DLC

Rahm and the White House followed the corporatist DLC playbook on health care and other issues, embraced corporatist policies over broadly popular ones and exactly opposite to what the corporatists assured as detailed in the above referenced interview, punched the Democratic Party's ticket back to minority party status.

[defendandprotect]

103. DLC is corporatist poison in the Democratic Party --

[Lugnut]

62. K&R

There are more of us than there are of them.

Health insurance companies are money-sucking parasites that add nothing of value to the process.

[pam4water]

68. I wacked him in the nose with my pebble but Goliath still seem to be standing.

[Enthusiast]

69. People!

Let's make their worst case scenario come true.

We want single payer - let's do it. If it becomes common wisdom that single payer is the only possible way to achieve cost effective universal health care this is as good as done. Communicate, communicate beyond the internet and the TV media, use your words.

[Demeter]

71. They Should Be Afraid of Us

and they should move to Dubai, where people like them are treated like royalty, at least until the money runs out.

[xchrom]

79. recommend

[leveymg]

87. Roger - When they do Powerpoints to plot against you, you know you're being effective.

Congratulations.

[PuffedMica]

88. K&R

[dsharp88]

91. The problem is they pretty much won.

Look at how "Obamacare" has been demonized.
Look at how many republicans won because they opposed health care reform.
Look at how friendly health care reform ended up being to the insurance companies with no public option or other provider opposition.

[defendandprotect]

98. "Obamacare" isn't MEDICARE FOR ALL ... that's why there's little counter support from left ....

in fact, it may be why 28 million expected voters didn't come out to vote

for Democrats this November --

[ooglymoogly]

106. Obamacare is nothing but a piece of witless, onerous and cynical propaganda

Wealthcare is a more apt name. In the small print; For the positive things in it, the industry can charge anything they want and that is usurious; paid for by the forced customer, the "insured" who can afford it, most barely, or for the poor, paid for by the taxpayer. It is Part D medicare redux and expanded; without limit; with fines and penalties that in this environment could mean jail, for opting out.

[defendandprotect]

99. Hi Mike-- We need a training film next on political action for Americans!!!

We don't seem to understand what is needed --

Too many people are still expecting that the TV will let them know if there

is anything seriously wrong going on in America!!

It's Orwellian!

[Odin2005]

107. MM FOR PREZ!!!

[ooglymoogly]

108. I could easily buy into that. nt

[Mimosa]

109. They won in the short term because many are uneducated.

I'm not giving up Michael. You inspire me.