North Korean refugee website..... for those defending Kim.

[HEyHEY]

www.northkoreanrefugees.com/2007-09-atbirth.htm

And before you start on about conservative propaganda. I know a guy from California who works with North Korean refugees and had this fellow as a roommate for a couple months. The guy I know is a flaming liberal.

So, say what you want about USA and SK actions. I by no means support a war. But don't go talking about how North Korea is some misunderstood bunch of underdogs.

[pinboy3niner]

1. Totalitarians are often "misunderstood"

How could we unfairly misjudge them so when they always have such egalitarian constitutions, lol? And when their per capita income is so impressive (at least, before the power elite gets its share).

All those reports of starvation among the people must be greatly exaggerated. Dear Leader would surely give up the vast sums he spends on booze if his people really were impoverished. :sarcasm:

[HEyHEY]

2. I wonder if he knows even

Lots of people think that

A: The military ACTUALLY controls NK and he is a figurehead
B: He's totally kept in the dark about what is actually going on

But who knows? I guess this will all be clear one day.

[JI7]

3. who is defending Kim ? are you talking about people on DU ?

[HEyHEY]

5. Yeah, it's unreal

Go to the post about "The korean peninsula"

[alittlelark]

7. Look at some of the other threads.

There is one glaring stand-out.

[pinboy3niner]

8. Try here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9632273

[formercia]

13. It's probably Kim Jong Il.

He likes to lurk on the Net and make wisecracks.

[JDPriestly]

4. Who in the world defends Kim? Never heard of it. Not here anyway.

[HEyHEY]

6. check out the post on following the korean peninsula

[pinboy3niner]

9. Link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9632273

[JDPriestly]

15. One person -- who probably is just trying to cause an uproar.

[pinboy3niner]

10. An oldie, but a goodie...

Blowin' in the Wind

How many roads must a man walk down
Before you call him a man?
How many seas must a white dove sail
Before she sleeps in the sand?

Yes, 'n' how many times must the cannon balls fly
Before they're forever banned?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
The answer is blowin' in the wind.

Yes, 'n' how many years can a mountain exist
Before it's washed to the sea?
Yes, 'n' how many years can some people exist
Before they're allowed to be free?

Yes, 'n' how many times can a man turn his head,
And pretend that he just doesn't see?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
The answer is blowin' in the wind.

Yes, 'n' how many times must a man look up
Before he can see the sky?
Yes, 'n' how many ears must one man have
Before he can hear people cry?

Yes, 'n' how many deaths will it take till he knows
That too many people have died?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
The answer is blowin' in the wind.

[bananas]

11. k&r nt

[pnorman]

12. The tragic part of this, is that for the first several years after the end of WW2,

North Korea was relatively the "good guys"! While South Korea was not only reactionary and dictatorial, but the bloody oppression was pretty much on the same scale as in NK!

Here's one relevant DU thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9615629

On edit, here's another DU thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9615047

[HEyHEY]

17. Taiwan was like that too

Mao was a lunatic from jump street, but people forget that the Chinese nationalists were savages and slaughtered people just as frequently.

[pnorman]

37. "North Korea was relatively the "good guys"! While South Korea was not only reactionary..."

I was expecting at least someone on this thread to question that statement, and was preparing a reply that would be both convincing and properly sourced. But I put that aside, when it seemed that this thread had died.

I'm not sure that your above is a meaningful response, so could you please try again?

[HEyHEY]

39. Excuse me?

Sorry my response wasn't "meaningful" enough for you, your excellency. I was just trying to point out that a lot of these areas that are functioning democracy have freshly stained blood on their hands.

[pnorman]

42. I gathered that!

But it still had no bearing on my assertion about NK in the first few years after the end of WW2. Please try again.

Best Regards,
His Excellency

[HEyHEY]

43. Presiding over the kingdom of self-important douches must be stressful

[pnorman]

45. Sigh!!

Recently here on DU, I had expressed some irritation over a content-free Obama-bashing OP. A self-anointed Keeper of the Flame then responded with a one-liner, which included the words: "YOU ASSHOLE!"

I then quoted that one-liner in the subject header, followed by "n/t". The discussion went downhill from there, and the Mod locked the thread, and finally expunged it altogether. Is that your Hidden Agenda here?

Best Regards,
His Excellency
(Hey! I'm beginning to like the sound of that!)

[HEyHEY]

46. I didn't start this, you did.

With your condescending response to my post, which was just nothing more than a comment. And besides, why would I try to get my own thread locked? Either way, I don't care. I am tired of people on this site just acting as if they're god's gift to commenting. Just stay away from me.

[pnorman]

47. "I didn't start this, you did".

Please check postings, #12, #17, #37, and onwards, And then PLEASE try again. (sigh!)

Regards,
His Excellency

[HEyHEY]

48. Your snotty tone in that response was agressive and uncalled for

You strike me as the kind of person who just goes around being obtuse and arrogant. Sorry that I wasn't going to let you behave like that toward me without saying something. I just find it hard to ignore people when they're being assholes for no reason.

[FLPanhandle]

14. If someone is dumb enough to defend Kim they are either trolls or incredibly stupid.

I have too much respect for the intelligence of this group to think that anyone defending NK or Kim is anything but a troll.

[AnnieBW]

16. WTF?

Kim Jong Il is batshit crazy. Everybody knows it. There's just people that are itching for another war, and people who want to try to resolve this situation without any more bloodshed.

[Puregonzo1188]

18. And is it possible, in your mind, to not defend Kim and suggest that perhaps the US is playing

a very dangerous game on the Korean peninsula that is needlessly fanning the flames of a fire that may quickly grow out of control? Sort of like how one can admit that Saddam was a bad guy, but also believe that US policy towards Iraq was still unjust and unwise?


Kim is mentally ill, and North Korea is very scary place, but we're not exactly benevolent actors in that part of the world either. And I don't think a second Korean War is really desirable.

[HEyHEY]

19. Not really what I mean

There were some people going on about how North Korea is a country we should be looking to for social guidance.

[Puregonzo1188]

20. I was just curious. I've also seen people on DU taking about how we could level the North in three

days.

I'm actually very worried we're getting ourselves into a mess right now.

[HEyHEY]

21. Won't be a long mess if it is one

It may not even be an invasion if a war does happen. Maybe just three days of air attacks and such then another peace. Who knows?

[Puregonzo1188]

30. Oh, so you are beating the drums for a second Korean War. Ok, now I understand the OP.

[HEyHEY]

35. How the FUCK is merely giving my uncertain prediction about what COULD happen

Beating the drums of war, you're just looking for a fight. If I said, "Oh, it'll be a long drawn out battle" how the fuck is that any difference? You asked, I answered... god, there's PLENTY of people on the internet looking to beat the drums of war, go find one of them. Reactionary brat.

[JVS]

44. Because "It won't be a long war" and "We'll be seen as liberators" are usually part of the pitch...

for war.

You can say that it's a mere prognostication, but everyone who posts here has personally witnessed at least two wars being "sold" to the public in the last 10 years and we're all familiar with the pattern. Even if it is just a prediction, it is going read within the context of our experience with another two short wars that don't seem to be ending.

I can say that I don't support mugging people, but if I stand on the corner and say to my friends.

1. Here come's old drunk Sam from the bar.
2. He makes all his money pimping out HS girls.
3. He's likely to be carrying the money now.
4. He's walking poorly, I bet he's drunk.
5. He's a real douchebag.
6. You have utility payments due.

I'm not technically advocating for a crime to take place, but I do seem to be suggesting one by my choice of statements.

[Poboy]

22. To the OP, what is a "flaming liberal'?

[HEyHEY]

23. A very unapologetic, vigilante person with left wing beliefs

[Poboy]

25. So, are you a flaming centrist? A flaming conservative?

[HEyHEY]

28. Look, man, if all you want to do is get into a semantics fight, look elsehwere

I really don't care.

[Poboy]

31. See, the deal is, I know what you really meant. Don't pretend.

Who else gets called 'flaming'?
Your OP is based on one person on an entire message board, but carry on, you flamer.

[HEyHEY]

32. This isn't a gay issue, wow... just fucking WOW

You know what? Where I'm from we refer to right wingers as flaming right wingers, or "flaming alcoholics"...etc.

BTW< no this particular person is NOT gay, would it be a problem for you if he were?

[uppityperson]

41. all those little flame icons in a forums main page

oooooooo.

Flaming means a number of things. Flaming out, flaming liberal, etc.

OMG, even the smilies have one :grr:

[HEyHEY]

33. Also, nice to see you care less about the sufferings of people in desperate situations

Than you do about stirring shit up for no reason.

[Poll_Blind]

24. DU can be a strange place. It games itself and is gamed from the outside.

Who knows who this person- there's a few of them I've noticed- is. Really. Let your mind run wild because the truth could be just that freaky. So pushing back talk like that is always a good thing. K&R.

OnEdit: That sucks, can't Rec, well at least kick.

PB

[Pavulon]

26. You can bet some would pimp Imperial Japan

given the chance before 41. oh, fuck those Manchurians, the deserved all that murder and rape. No big deal. I understand the people who pimp Chavez, more the idea of chavez, but not kim.

[Pavulon]

27. glitch in the matrix(dupe)

dupe

[readmoreoften]

29. NK is a Spartan kingdom, nothing for the left to fight for there.

No working class control=nothing to fight for.

[Renew Deal]

34. I only read half of that but wow!

Amazing story. One day the world will truly get a look at North Korea and it will not like what it sees.

[KillCapitalism]

36. I'm as socialist as they come, but...

I definitely think Kim is a real piece of shit.

Defending him is akin to defending Hitler.

[old mark]

38. HH: My SIL's "radical" professor at Columbia defended Pol Pot as an

anti western progressive...If anyone is stupid enough to believe that, they will surely defend the "Dear Leader" and his criminal regime...it would not surprise me to see it here.


mark

[HEyHEY]

40. It's amazing how easy it is for some to extol the virtues of those they don't live under