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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 12:53 AM
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Ireland shows that the banksters will betray and plunder the good soldiers, too.
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The Good Irish Soldier

Ireland perhaps more than any other example shows what the bankster game is really about.

They don't give a shit about good soldiers.

Here is a country that, unlike Greece or Portugal (frequent targets for outrageous blame), strictly followed all the rules proscribed by the neoliberals, ratings agencies and austerity hawks. Open markets, no capital controls, wage repression, social welfare cutbacks, balanced budgets five years in a row before the crisis, low taxes, the works. They had almost no public debt.

Irish public debt came almost entirely through the crisis, because Ireland obediently bailed out the banks. It's actually the Irish banks' debt, socialized.

And yet, as soon as the banksters decide there is a profit in it, the good Irish soldier is lined up against the wall and shot.


Krugman: "What we need now is another Jonathan Swift." (Referring to Swift's satiric "Modest Proposal" that the UK solve Ireland's economic problems by selling Irish babies as food.)


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/26/opinion/26krugman.html?ref=homepage&src=me&pagewanted=print

November 25, 2010

Eating the Irish


By PAUL KRUGMAN


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The Irish story began with a genuine economic miracle. But eventually this gave way to a speculative frenzy driven by runaway banks and real estate developers, all in a cozy relationship with leading politicians. The frenzy was financed with huge borrowing on the part of Irish banks, largely from banks in other European nations. Then the bubble burst, and those banks faced huge losses. You might have expected those who lent money to the banks to share in the losses. After all, they were consenting adults, and if they failed to understand the risks they were taking that was nobody’s fault but their own. But, no, the Irish government stepped in to guarantee the banks’ debt, turning private losses into public obligations.

Before the bank bust, Ireland had little public debt. But with taxpayers suddenly on the hook for gigantic bank losses, even as revenues plunged, the nation’s creditworthiness was put in doubt. So Ireland tried to reassure the markets with a harsh program of spending cuts. Step back for a minute and think about that. These debts were incurred, not to pay for public programs, but by private wheeler-dealers seeking nothing but their own profit. Yet ordinary Irish citizens are now bearing the burden of those debts. Or to be more accurate, they’re bearing a burden much larger than the debt — because those spending cuts have caused a severe recession so that in addition to taking on the banks’ debts, the Irish are suffering from plunging incomes and high unemployment.

But there is no alternative, say the serious people: all of this is necessary to restore confidence. Strange to say, however, confidence is not improving. On the contrary: investors have noticed that all those austerity measures are depressing the Irish economy — and are fleeing Irish debt because of that economic weakness.

Now what? Last weekend Ireland and its neighbors put together what has been widely described as a “bailout.” But what really happened was that the Irish government promised to impose even more pain, in return for a credit line — a credit line that would presumably give Ireland more time to, um, restore confidence. Markets, understandably, were not impressed: interest rates on Irish bonds have risen even further.

Does it really have to be this way?

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There is only one sensible way for Ireland, that which Argentina showed was possible back in 2001-2002, when the people rose up and toppled five presidents within a couple of weeks until one of them was willing to tell the banksters to get lost, and defaulted.

People must come before the profits of the banksters who caused the crisis, and most of whom operate today only because they were saved at public expense.


Dean Baker: "Ireland Should Pull an Argentina"

http://www.commondreams.org/print/62700

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Ireland is currently experiencing a 14.1% unemployment rate . As a result of bailout conditions that will require more cuts in government spending and tax increases, the unemployment rate is almost certain to go higher . The Irish people are likely to wonder what their economy would look like if they had not been rescued.

The pain being inflicted on Ireland by the ECB/IMF is completely unnecessary. If the ECB committed itself to make loans available to Ireland at low interest rates, a mechanism entirely within its power, then Ireland would have no serious budget problem. Its huge projected deficits stem primarily from the combination of high interest costs on its debt, and the result of operating at levels of economic output that are well below full employment – both outcomes that can be pinned largely on the ECB.

It is worth remembering that Ireland's government was a model of fiscal probity prior to the economic meltdown. It had run large budget surpluses for the 5 years prior to the onset of the crisis . Ireland's problem was certainly not out of control government spending; it was a reckless banking system that fueled an enormous housing bubble. The economic wizards at the ECB and the IMF either couldn't see the bubble or didn't think it was worth mentioning. The failure of the ECB or IMF to take steps to rein in the bubble before the crisis has not made these international financial institutions shy about using a heavy hand in imposing conditions now. The plan is to impose stiff austerity, requiring much of Ireland's workforce to suffer unemployment for years to come as a result of the failure of their bankers and the ECB.

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There is an obvious precedent. Back in the 2001, the IMF was pushing Argentina to pursue ever more stringent austerity measures. Like Ireland, Argentina had also been a poster child of the neoliberal crew before it ran into difficulties. But the IMF can turn quickly. Its austerity programme lowered GDP by almost 10% and pushed the unemployment rate well into the double digits. By the end of the 2001, it was politically impossible for the Argentine government to agree to more austerity. As a result, it broke the supposedly unbreakable link between its currency and the dollar and defaulted on its debt. The immediate effect was to make the economy worse, but by the second half of 2002, the economy was again growing. This was the start of five and a half years of solid growth, until the world economic crisis eventually took its toll in 2009. The IMF, meanwhile, did everything it could to sabotage Argentina, which became known as the "A word". It even used bogus projections that consistently under-predicted Argentina's growth in the hope of undermining confidence. Ireland should study the lessons of Argentina.

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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 01:05 AM
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1. Great thread
Edited on Sat Nov-27-10 01:06 AM by Catherina
Recommended.

It goes nicely in hand with the following quote, from another great thread tonight.

India somehow missed the consequences of the toxic products invented and exported by US financial institutions. It had no financial crisis… I asked Dr. Reddy how India managed to dodge the financial bullet. “We don’t understand these complex instruments,” he told me with a smile, “so we don’t permit them. We leave them to the advanced nations like you.”…

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9636301#9636933


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c14444c Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 02:08 AM
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5. India wouldn't touch the programs of its IT industry
Today's Wall Street code is delivered from Bangalore and Hyderabad.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 11:01 AM
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6. Thanks - and for posting my favorite picture.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 01:06 AM
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2. I figured mentioning 'diamond inlays'
Would get a Jonathon Swift reference. The feeling from the pool stick is not about diamonds.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 01:12 AM
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3. great OP. K&R
Edited on Sat Nov-27-10 01:15 AM by inna
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 01:24 AM
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4. k&r
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 11:30 AM
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7. Iceland Is No Ireland as State Free of Bank Debt, Grimsson Says
Thanks Joanne98!

From Latest Breaking News at
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4629621




Source: Bloomberg

Iceland’s President Olafur R. Grimsson said his country is better off than Ireland thanks to the government’s decision to allow the banks to fail two years ago and because the krona could be devalued.

“The difference is that in Iceland we allowed the banks to fail,” Grimsson said in an interview with Bloomberg Television’s Mark Barton today. “These were private banks and we didn’t pump money into them in order to keep them going; the state did not shoulder the responsibility of the failed private banks.”

Ireland’s Prime Minister Brian Cowen said this week his government has discussed an 85 billion-euro ($112 billion) bailout with the European Union and International Monetary Fund after the country’s banks threatened to bring the euro member to the brink of bankruptcy. Iceland’s banks, which still owe creditors about $85 billion, were split to create domestic units needed to keep the financial system running, while foreign liabilities remained within the failed lenders.

As a consequence, “Iceland is faring much better than anybody expected,” Grimsson said. The Icelandic state’s liability on foreign depositor claims stemming from Icesave accounts at failed Landsbanki Islands hf should be put to a national referendum, he said.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-26/iceland-faring-much-better-after-permitting-banks-to-fail-grimsson-says.html
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 11:38 AM
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8. K&R
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 11:45 AM
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9. k & r
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 12:08 PM
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10. K&R - It would be a thing of beauty indeed, if the Irish people demanded the Argentina solution.
There needs to be an end put to this international destruction being wrought by the banksters.

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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 02:35 PM
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11. Sooner or later some country will break the ice.
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 02:57 PM
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12. K&R
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 05:09 PM
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13. up.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 08:42 PM
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14. The problem seems to be the Irish government's decision to guarantee the banks' debt
which, as Krugman says, turned "private losses into public obligations". If they'd said either the banks were on their own, or had formed a deal for some of the banks' creditors to swallow most or all of the losses, then the public finances wouldn't have taken such a big hit. I think the Irish government was the only one in Europe to give such a comprehensive debt guarantee to its banks. It thought it could afford it, and it would give investors and multinationals confidence in Ireland. Either that, or the Irish government was trying to protect some private investors because they were friendly.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 08:45 PM
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15. You said it.
"I think the Irish government was the only one in Europe to give such a comprehensive debt guarantee to its banks."

Being a good soldier for the neoliberal regime gets you just as dead in the end.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-10 10:37 AM
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16. Kick for the Fighting Irish with their huge demonstrations over the weekend.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-10 10:43 AM
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17. Kicking for the history of the Irish cut backs. Nt
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 12:49 PM
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18. kick
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