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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 08:09 PM
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Obama’s Torture Problem
David Cole

In the face of overwhelming evidence that numerous US detainees were tortured during the Bush years, President Barack Obama has famously said he wants to “look forward, not back.” He prohibited the use of torture and cruelty in one of his first executive acts, but since then he has consistently resisted all efforts to hold accountable those who, under the prior administration, authorized such mistreatment. He has opposed a commission of inquiry, failed to order a criminal investigation of high-level officials who authorized—and concocted legal justifications for—torture, and successfully defeated all suits seeking damages for victims. Unacknowledged guilt, however, has a stubborn way of sticking around. In recent days, torture has been back in the national conversation, raising once again the issue of what we (and others) should do about it.

First came the news that former President George W. Bush, in his memoir, Decision Points, admitted that he personally authorized the waterboarding of Khaled Sheikh Mohammed. (“Damn right,” the former president said he answered CIA director George Tenet, when Tenet asked whether it was okay to use this and other “enhanced interrogation techniques” on KSM.) Bush’s startling admission that he ordered a war crime appears to reflect a calculated judgment that President Obama’s unwillingness to look back will protect the former president from any investigation or prosecution. And if the president himself admits he did it and gets away with it, how can the government hold accountable anyone under him?

Then came the announcement on November 16 that the United Kingdom has agreed to pay former Guantánamo detainees who are British citizens or residents millions of pounds in damages to settle lawsuits alleging British complicity in the men’s torture. The men describe being tortured at CIA black sites, at Guantánamo, and in third countries to which the CIA delivered them. The UK did not order or conduct the torture itself, nor deliver the men to their torturers; its involvement seems to have been limited to awareness that coercive interrogations were taking place and possibly providing lines of questioning to the interrogators. Yet the UK is willing to pay millions in damages for its part in the wrongs done.

Ken Clarke, the UK’s Secretary of State for Justice, explained that the government sought to avoid a court order that it disclose hundreds of thousands of documents, many of which contained confidential information—and presumably much of which might implicate not only officials of MI5 and MI6, but also their interlocutors in the CIA. A cynic might argue that the settlement is less a reflection of accountability than a willingness to pay millions of pounds to avoid accountability. But in July, Prime Minister David Cameron ordered an official inquiry into charges of Britain’s complicity in torture, and appointed a retired appeals judge, Sir Peter Gibson, to run the inquiry. As with the Canadian government, who investigated and paid compensation for their complicity in the rendition and torture of Maher Arar, the British, it appears, are not afraid to look back, or to compensate victims of torture.


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http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2010/nov/18/obamas-torture-problem/
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 08:12 PM
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1. Politics or ethics?
Obama has chosen the side history will not favor.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-10 09:40 AM
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9. Appearances and hype n/t
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 08:13 PM
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2. Well, it is a problem, isn't it? nt
Edited on Sat Nov-27-10 08:14 PM by bemildred
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 08:17 PM
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3. It's a problem with an answer.
"Until we own up to and provide a reckoning for the moral and criminal wrongs committed by officials at the very highest levels of the former administration, the fact that we tortured will continue to fester—and cause problems for its successor."
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 08:20 PM
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4. Obama will go down in history for his decision....
a very bad one, as we were the main force in prosecutions of such criminals in the past! But we are getting the change we can believe in as I type this statement!
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 08:28 PM
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5. One of the most curious aspect's of Obama's administration is the absolutely unwavering....
...actions they have taken to keep some of the absolute worst, un-Constitutional, criminal aspects of the Bush administration not only alive, but expand on them.

His administration, instead of extinguishing that godawful nightmare flame has and apparently will continue to go through great pains to keep the torture torch not just alive but keep it in good shape so that it may be passed onto the next administration.

You may be the only person who'll read this response so I'd just ask you (and whomever else does) to consider that previous sentence of mine. If there's a President Palin in 2012 she will have at her disposal the expanded torture capabilities that Bush enacted and that President Obama kept alive and well.

By doing this he is helping to instantiate this ghastly molecule into our government as a permanent apparatus.

PB
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-10 09:56 AM
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10. Well, it does make me think of Jerry Ford.
The guy that pardoned Nixon, and who therefore can be held in part responsible for our current lawless government.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 08:45 PM
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6. We are either a nation with the rule of law or not. If the President does try to fix this, then he
is yielding to chaos. The criminals, unpunished, will return.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-10 05:40 AM
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7. None of this addresses the claims that the torture still continues,
or the claims that rendition is still continuing,
that the cia is still responsible for both,
that we still train people to torture,
that we routinely turn people over to be tortured by others, or
that we are using tribunals so that we can admit into evidence any information that was found or created through torture (just one of many ways tribunals rig the rules).

This issue has a lot more depth that this short little article begins to skim over.

It would have been nice, when Obama claimed that we no longer torture, if it had been true. It would have been wonderful if, having claimed that the US would no longer torture or support torture, if all use of torture had stopped and all teaching of methods of torture had stopped, and renditions had stopped, and turning people over to torturers had stopped, and the claim of any need for tribunals instead of real courts had stopped.

After all, we were supposed to be witnessing the restoration of the rule of law. Wasn't that the single most important campaign promise?

:(

How long do we have to wait?

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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-10 10:54 AM
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11. We have to wait until we have a leader who believes in upholding the law.
And for that we shall wait forever.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 12:17 PM
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12. I don't believe in waiting forever. I believe in fighting
for people who will work with us, and reachable goals and timetables that can happen sooner than that. Just because we have been betrayed once by one charismatic chump who turns out to be a corporate owned conservaDem doesn't mean that we should lose heart or stop fighting.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 12:20 PM
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13. Nor was it meant t. It's just more subtle damage control n/t
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-10 09:23 AM
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8. The American Future
When we elect a Citizens United Presidential Republican Frankenstein homicidal sociopath some time in the future, the full effects of Obama's coddling of past war criminal Administrations will yield it's full impact;

America will elect a war mongering totalitarian President that will start what feels like World War Three within the borders on America.

Obama's lawlessness in failing to prosecute insures future generations will enjoy misery in America to dark ages levels.

Not exactly the change I voted for two years ago.

-90% Jimmy
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