On Korea, Here We Go Again!

[Catherina]

On Korea, Here We Go Again!

By Robert Parry
November 24, 2010

If American journalism should have learned one thing over the years, it is to be cautious and skeptical during the first days of a foreign confrontation like the one now playing out on the Korean Peninsula. Often the initial accounts from the “U.S. side” don’t turn out to be entirely accurate.

While you can delve back through history for plenty of examples, today’s U.S. journalists might remember events like the Gulf of Tonkin clash that opened the door to the disastrous Vietnam War and the misplaced certainty about Iraq’s WMD that led to a bloody U.S. invasion and occupation.

In both cases, contrary claims from the "enemy side" were discounted and mocked as U.S. journalists puffed out their chests and waved the flag.

Today's Korean crisis over an exchange of artillery fire between North Korea and South Korea is similar. Though the evidence is that South Korea fired first, you wouldn’t know that if you’ve been watching most U.S. news shows and reading the major newspapers, which have laid the blame squarely at the doorstep of North Korea.

...

The neoconservative Washington Post was back in full belligerency mode with a lead editorial urging a stern response against North Korea. Unlike the Times, which at least acknowledged the South Korean provocation, the Post saw only a black-and-white scenario, with South Korea wearing the white hat and the North the black hat.

The Post’s editorial-page editors behaved much the same during the run-up to war with Iraq, stating as undisputed fact the existence of Iraq’s non-existent WMD programs. After the invasion – and the failure to find the WMD – Post’s editorial page editor Fred Hiatt noted in an interview with the Columbia Journalism Review in 2004:

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“If you look at the editorials we write running up , we state as flat fact that he has weapons of mass destruction. If that’s not true, it would have been better not to say it.” But Hiatt, who remains in the same job more than six years later, was back doing the same thing on Wednesday in connection with another country from George W. Bush’s “axis of evil.”

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before the war rhetoric gets completely out of control again – and creates another political dynamic that leads toward a bloody escalation – perhaps the U.S. news media should reflect for a moment on all the other times the American press corps has let itself and the country be stampeded into a dangerous misunderstanding of an international incident.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/112410.html

[FreakinDJ]

1. I'll guarantee you South Korea did NOT fire first

I may be wrong but after spending a year over there much of which was on the DMZ, I pretty much guarantee this whole thing has been instigated by the North.

And it is going to take a whole lot more then an unsubstantiated rumor on a blog to convince me other wise

[Catherina]

2. You'd be wrong. Just reading the article and reading LBN in real time

would have pointed you to the information.

[FreakinDJ]

takes more then an unsubstantiated rumor on a blog to convince me

shots are fired into the DMZ all the time. Only when they reach the other side does it make the news

But then again IF you had actually been there - You would know that

[Catherina]

8. I see. AP, Reuters, they're all blogs and you were there so you know better

Gotcha.

[FreakinDJ]

20. Random fire into the DMZ is routine there

happens ALL the time. Your evidence is utter horeshit

But of course your superior reading skills separates you above the rest.

Try looking up how many Americans are killed on the DMZ each year.

This listing is not in alphabetical order. Each listing shows Branch of Service, Date of Casualty, and City/Home of Record. All deaths were declared "non-hostile."

* A.F. - Dade, John F. Jr. 26 Oct. 79. Grand Junction, CO
* Army - Crump, James Howard. 01 Nov 79. Point Pleasant, WVa.
* Army - Steele, Michael Richard. 01 Nov 79. Port Orchard, WA
* Army - Herod, Troy Hugh. 03 Nov 79. Colorado Springs, CO
* Army - Worsham, Patricia Ann. 14 Nov 79. Aulander, NC
* A.F. - Golding, Frank D. 23 Nov 79. Richmond, VA
* Army - Hicks, Theodore Christian. 23 Nov 79. Sunnyside, WA
* A.F. - Craver, Gregory S. 28 Nov 79. Orlando, FL
* A.F. - Vosburg, John J. 28 Nov 79. Oyster Bay, NY
* Army - Coon, Robert Lewis Sr. 11 Dec 79. Harrison, MI
* Army - Murrell, Jimmy Richard. 12 Dec 79. Hammond, IN
* Army - Duron, Daniel Roy. 15 Dec 79. Minneapolis, MN
* Army - Harper, Terrance Davis I. 16 Dec 79. Tuscaloosa, AL
* Army - Wontenay, Paula Kay. 28 Dec 79. Union City, PA
* Army - Slaughter, James Jr. 29 Dec 79. Omaha, NE
* Army - Horst, Dane Charles. 31 Dec 79. North Lima, OH

* Army - Kinard, Timothy Titus. 07 Jan 80. Springfield, OH
* A.F. - Bland, Anthony T. 13 Jan 80. St. Petersburg, FL
* M.C. - Day, John Edward. 04 Feb 80. Vancouver, WA
* Army - Thompson, Tommy Virgil. 11 Feb 80. Chula Vista, CA
* A.F. - Chrostowski, William Jr. 12 Feb 80. Elgin, IL
* Army - Lowe, Timothy Paul. 17 Mar 80. Duncannon, PA
* Navy - Fiedler, Craig Eugene. 31 Mar 80. Fairfield, IA
* Army - Moore, Edward Jr. 31 May 80. Bessemer, AL
* A.F. - Powers, Matthew S. 21 Jun 80. Des Moines, IA
* Army - Wilson, Benjamin Lee Jr. 21 Jun 80. Easton, MD
* Army - Hull, Mack Eddie. 02 Jul 80. Tyronza, AZ
* A.F. - Griffin, Hal B. 18 Jul 80. Kosciusko, MS
* Army - Weldon, Kenneth R. 03 Aug 80. Longview, WA
* Army - Ramirez, Adam Zamora. 18 Aug 80. Los Angeles, CA
* Navy - Durham, Ross Eugene. 19 Aug 80. Laferia, TX
* Army - Orlinski, David Albert. 21 Aug 80. Pawtuckett, RI
* Army - Williams, Stefhan Lenal. 29 Aug 80. Cleveland, OH
* A.F. - Wallace, Edward R. 02 Sep 80. Scottsdale, AZ.
* Army - Combs, Donnie Ray. 18 Sep 80. Shreveport, LA
* A.F. - Santiago, Alberto. 28 Dec 80. Bronx, NY

* Army - Witmer, Mark Alan. 10 Jan 81. Downers Grove, IL
* A.F. - Lamerson, Glindon R. 18 Jan 81. Plymouth, MI
* Army - Poulin, Ronald Armand. 24 Jan 81. San Antonio, TX
* A.F. - Escobedo, Ruben S. 05 Feb 81. Los Angeles, CA
* A.F. - Sapp, Robert B. 08 Feb 81. Wooster, OH
* A.F. - Estridge, James Lynn. 11 Feb 81. Rockingham, NC
* Army - Kim, Chin Song. 27 Feb 81. Ocean, NJ
* Army - Vialpando, Steve Robert. 04 Mar 81. Denver, CO
* M.C. - Bradley, Ronald Russell. 10 Mar 81. Daytona Beach, FL
* Army - Cude, Vernon Jr. 15 Mar 81. Carrizo Springs, TX
* Army - Pickins, Harry Lee. 15 Mar 81. Earle, AK
* Army - Schlecht, Gary William. 15 Mar 81. Vandalia, OH
* Army - Pidgeon, Philip John. 20 Mar 81. Carbondale, PA
* Navy - Bryant, George William III. 01 Apr 81. Goldvein, VA
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* Army - Firpi, Gedeon Jr. 30 Apr 81. Glen Cove, NY
* Army - Clark, Ralph Mearl. 05 Jun 81. Carlisle, PA
* Army - Elliott, James Morgan II. 05 Jun 81. Columbia, SC
* Army - Marteney, Richard Levier. 05 Jun 81. Waverly, TN
* Army - Mathis, David Dean. 05 Jun 81. Connellys Springs, NC
* Army - Johnson, Ronald Bruce. 28 Jun 81. Tampa, FL
* A.F. - Schrebe, Willie L. Jr. 28 Jun 81. Los Angeles, CA
* Army - Snuffer, John Howard Jr. 13 Jul 81. Doraville, GA
* Army - Jesse Dwight Stevens. 17 Jul 81. New Milford, PA
* Army - Schultz, Ronald Dean. 24 Jul 81. Council Bluffs, IA
* Army - Roland, Billy Glenn. 17 Aug 81. Bay Minette, AL
* Navy - Murhead, John NMN. 29 Aug 81. Hopatcong, NJ
* Army - Cutshall, Arthur Robert. 15 Sep 81. Havre, MT
* Army - Prosser, Vernon Lee. 16 Nov 81. Seattle, NH
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* A.F. - Wilkins, Rickie C. 11 Dec 81. Petaluma, CA
* Army - Cochran, Duane Maurice Jr. 16 Dec 81. Indianapolis, IN
* Army - Edson, Clinton Ray. 16 Dec 1981. Wrightstown, NJ
* Army - Jones, Michael Dwayne. 18 Dec 81. Brentwood, NY
* Army - Fitch, William Bevely III. 20 Dec 81. Lexington, VA
* A.F. - Hawkins, John L. 20 Dec 81. Knoxville, TN
* Army - Molosky, Edward Eugene Sr. 29 Dec 81. Middlesex, NJ

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* M.C. - Martin, Howard. 07 Dec 82. Detroit, MI

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* M.C. - Rooney, James Thomas. 24 Mar 84. West Point, IA
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* M.C. - Soles, William Arnold. 24 Mar 84. Baton Rogue, LA
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* Army - Martin, Shannon James. 15 Jul 84. Minneapolis, MI
* Navy - MacFarlane, Robert James Jr. 16 Jul 84. Oceanside, CA
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* Army - Black, Marcus Charles. 02 Oct 85. Durham, NC
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* Army - Martinez, Francisco Javier. 04 Dec 85. Chicago, IL
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* Army - Jesko, Lenard Michael. 27 Mar 86. Hewitt, TX
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* Army - Kirby, Pamela Jean. 10 Apr 86. Parkin, AL
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* Army - Walker, Michael Rodney. 04 May 86. Waycross, GA
* Army - Schneider, James John. 08 May 86. Cleveland, OH
* Army - Swann, Samuel Anthony III. 29 May 86. Wilmington, DE
* Army - Prather, Stanley. 15 June 86. Atlanta, GA
* Army - Huff, Jeffery Winslow. 15 Jul 86. Springfield, MAA
* Army - Montgomery, Reginald Edwin. 04 Aug 86. Sumter, SC
* Army - Marshall, James Gerard. 05 Aug 86. Deer Park, NY
* Army - Steward, Donald Raymond Jr. 05 Aug 86. Eugene, OR
* A.F. - Young, James R. 20 Aug 86. Monon, IN
* Army - Watson, Jack Kenneth Jr. 27 Aug 86. Shippensburg, PA
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* A.F. - Segura, Michael B. 13 Oct 86. Tucson, AZ
* Army - Johnson, Gary Michael. 20 Oct 86. Madera, CA
* M.C. - Lopez, Sean Victor. 06 Nov 86. Ojai, CA
* Army - Flanary, Nicky Joseph - 08 Nov 86. Streator, IL
* Army - Lush, Nicky Scott. 10 Dec 86. Reading, PA
* Army - Nelson, Donald. 14 Dec 86. Brooklyn, NY
* Army - Carlson, Leslie Ronald. 22 Dec 86. Dumfries, VA
* Army - Fitzjarrald, Victor Lyn. 22 Dec 86. Colorado Springs, CO
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* Army - Alaniz, Rony Jay. 19 Jul 87. Hilo, HI
* Army - Brown, Keith Allen. 19 Jul 87. Indianapolis, IN
* Army - Jones, Paul Jr. 25 Jul 87. Shreveport, LA
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* Army - Lowe, Nathaniel Jr. 27 Sep 87. Hearne, TX
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* Army - Calvert, William Joseph Jr. 11 Oct 87. Wareshoals, SC
* Army - Vanhees, Robert Charles. 16 Oct 87. Ft. Meyer, FL
* Army - Crosby, Edmond Roderick. 30 Nov 87. Winston-Salem, NC
* Army - Curtis, Douglas Michael. 30 Nov 87. Huntington, NM

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* Army - Coyle, Michael Thomas. 12 Apr 88. Jacksonville, FL
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* Army - Mok Chun Sik. 23 May 88. Pueblo, CO
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* Army - Dunec, Timmy Richard. 29 Nov 93. Standish, MI
* Army - Wiltcher, Douglas Wayne. 04 Dec 93. San Diego, CA
* A.F. - Harper, David Travis. 19 Dec 93. Hammond, IN
* Army - Huff, Kathy Elaine. 30 Dec 93. Floyd, VA
* Army - Farrelly, Bernard Everett Jr. 31 Dec 93. San Juan

* Army - Irey, Rhonda Leigh. 24 May 94. Visalia, CA
* A.F. - McNutt, Christopher Michael. 18 Jun 94. Kankakee, IL
* Army - Johnson, Christopher Charles. 01 Jul 94. Biloxi, MS
* Army - Dawkins, Ronald. 17 Jul 94. Thomasville, NC
* Army - McQueen, Steve Arthur. 02 Aug 94. Corpus Christi, TX
* Army - Smith, Jason Lee. 06 Sep 94. Indianapolis, IN
* Army - Hernandez, Roberto Estevan. 11 Sep 94. New Braunfels, TX
* Army - Robinson, Craig Thomas. 24 Sep 94. Plaquemine, LA
* A.F. - Alston, William Michael. 06 Oct 94. Fresno, CA
* A.F. - Karlson, Edward Joseph. 06 Oct 94. Northridge, CA
* A.F. - Kutscher, Jason Chester. 06 Oct 94. Port Washington, NY
* A.F. - Setaro, Richard Michael Jr. 06 Oct 94. Worcester, MA
* A.F. - Zurawski, Frank Howard. 06 Oct 94. Chicago, IL
* Army - Richardson, Maurice Xavier. 22 Nov 94. Atlanta, TX
* Army - Mooney, Barbara Jean. 27 Nov 94. Hephzibah, GA
* Aremy - Hilemon, David Michael. 17 Dec 94. Gig Harbor, WA

* Army - Clement, Carl Anthony. 10 Jan 95. Sunapee, NH
* Army - Daire, Kenneth Anthony III. 10 Jan 95. Belton, MO
* Army - Hall, James Allen. 10 Jan 95. Paducah, KY
* Army - Smith, Russell Edward Jr. 05 Feb 95. Salton City, CA
* Army - Santos, Angel Jr. 11 Feb 95. Lawton, OK
* Army - Traynor, Richard James. 31 Mar 95. Pomona, CA
* Army - Medley, Christopher Lee. 09 Jun 95. Deerfield, VA
* A.F. - Estep, Patrick Shannon. 13 Jun 95. Mansfield, OH
* Army - Pjontek, David Paul. 20 Jun 95. Murrieta, CA
* Army - Brennan, Frank Paul. 28 Jun 95. Bronx, NY
* A.F. - Spears, James Robert Jr. 02 Jul 95. Marietta, GA
* Army - Holden, Michael Lane. 02 Sep 95. Anderson, SC
* Army - Zeitner, Clint Allen. 07 Sep 95. Tyrone, GA
* Army - Deak, Michael Gordon. 14 Sep 95. West Islip, NY
* Army - Dorociak, Leonard Adam. 23 Oct 95. Tonawanda, NY
* Army - Adams, Leslie Eugene Jr. 27 Oct 95. St. George, KS

* Army - Loggins, Terri Leigh. 31 Jan 96. Bowring, OK
* Army - Heckler, August Emile Jr. 18 Feb 96. Long Beach, CA
* Army - Sierratellez, Victor. 22 Feb 96. Los Angeles, CA
* A.F. - Olley, Charles Thomas. 06 Apr 96. Lakehurst, NJ
* Army - Hill, Jeremy Scott. 18 May 96. Martinsburg, WV
* Army - Miller, Ronald Douglas. 29 May 96. Houston, TX
* A.F. - Mehrhof, Philip Peter. 09 Aug 96. Newark, NJ
* A.F. - Santos, Stephen Charles. 09 Aug 96. Assonet, MA
* Army - Olivares, John Rodolfo. 23 Sep 96. Angleton, TX
* Army - Zinz, Richard William. 10 Nov 96. Deerfield, OH

* Army - Lindsay, James Sidney Jr. 25 Jan 97. Pleasantville, NJ
* M.C. - Deredita, Danny Alan. 09 Feb 97. Syracuse, NY
* M.C. - Nickles, Mark Robert. 09 Feb 97. Dupo, IL
* A.F. - Williams, William Kraig. 13 Oct 97. Calhoun, GA
* Army - McCuistion, Kenneth Rey. 26 Oct 97. Amarillo, TX
* A.F. - Born, Jeffrey Clark. 16 Nov 97. Clare, MI
* A.F. - Call, Todd Wilson. 18 Dec 97. Manly, IA
* Army - Griffin, Ricky. 20 Dec 97. Robersonville, NC

* Army - Wiseman, Brandon Leigh. 05 Jan 98. Salt Lake City, UT

TOTAL OF DEATHS = 403
http://www.koreanwar-educator.org/topics/dmz/index.htm

[pinto]

3. Seems possible they were reacting to SK military excercises, which I assume were in SK waters.

The author's statement "a barrage against their (NK) shoreline" seems a stretch. That said, seems a dumb move on the part of SK - holding artillery tests near the maritime NK / SK border.

However, the Times editorial then notes that the North Korean “attack on Yeonpyeong Island occurred after South Korean forces on exercises fired test shots into waters near the North Korean coast. We hope South Korea’s president is asking who came up with that idea. But the North should have protested, rather than firing on a populated area.”

So, at least the Times marginally acknowledges a competing narrative, that the ever-paranoid North Koreans interpreted a barrage against their shoreline as a provocation that merited a muscular response directed against a South Korean military base.

[Catherina]

7. That's how I see it but I don't have a problem with the statement about the shoreline

since it's disputed. I believe I read the firing was within a few kms of NK's borders.

Here's how AP reported it on Tues November 23

AP Report

The skirmish began when North Korea warned the South to halt military drills near their sea border, according to South Korean officials. When Seoul refused and began firing artillery into disputed waters — but away from the North Korean shore — the North retaliated by shelling the small island of Yeonpyeong, which houses South Korean military installations and a small civilian population.

Seoul responded by unleashing its own barrage from K-9 155mm self-propelled howitzers and scrambling fighter jets. Two South Korean marines were killed in the shelling that also injured 15 troops and three civilians.

Officials in Seoul said there could be considerable North Korean casualties.

...

A North Korean statement said it was merely "reacting to the military provocation of the puppet group with a prompt powerful physical strike," and accused Seoul of starting the skirmish with its "reckless military provocation as firing dozens of shells inside the territorial waters of the" North.

The supreme military command in Pyongyang threatened more strikes if the South crossed their maritime border by "even 0.001 millimeter," according to the North's official Korean Central News Agency.

[pinto]

13. Ah, the maritime border is disputed, of course. SK fired in what NK claims are it's waters.

Gross over-reaction to fire on an inhabited SK island. Thanks for the AP link. :hi:

[Catherina]

17. Here's a decent map to visualise things. Imagine if this were the US Coast

[endless october]

4. utter horseshit.

[Posteritatis]

5. Yep. (nt)

[Swede]

6. Industrial manure spreader time.

[JohnyCanuck]

9. See my sig line.

The history of the US using propaganda and lies to justify wars is so pervasive, my first instinct when I hear war drums starting to beat is to wonder what are they lying about this time to get another profitable war under way.

[Catherina]

10. Well said.

What astounds me is that it's still early enough to find the original reports and judge for oneself but even the mere thought of doing that is met with a barrage of protest.

I remember when we were building up to the Iraq War. This is deja-vu all over, right down to the chest pumping and refusal to consider any evidence other than the official propaganda.

It's astounding to watch. All over again.

[JohnyCanuck]

11. South Korea admits they fired the first shots that triggered the clash

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O33sfN00oDk&feature=player_embedded

[HEyHEY]

23. Yes, into the water. Not into people's homes.

[JohnyCanuck]

12. Psywars

Everyone should take an hour and a half out of their life and watch the documentary Psywars, on the historical use of propaganda and PR to manipulate the public into supporting wars (and buying useless shit they don't really need).

http://metanoia-films.org/watchonline.php

Remember Hitler's right hand man Herman Goering's statement at the time of the Nuremberg Trials:

Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on
a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of
it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people
don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in
Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the
country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to
drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the
country to danger. It works the same in any country."

[Catherina]

14. Great time for that quote and thanks for the youtube link.

I hope at least a few people will think about this. The time for change is now, despite the people at the top. We owe it to our world to stop misleading our people into supporting such terrible havoc because the MIC told us to.

[lunatica]

15. The Powers that Be want conflict. It makes them rich

They aren't beating the drums of war by accident. All you have to do is remember the drumbeat and all the uber-patriotic propaganda building up to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Remember how any objections were met with derision and got you accused of being unpatriotic? I sure do.

[Catherina]

18. Why do we refuse to learn?

:shrug:

[ShamelessHussy]

16. The black and white reporting in this country on foreign relations is like reading the comics

And is always the tell

[Catherina]

19. I have to get my news from French sources

Despite Sarkozy's best efforts, the difference between their reporting and ours is still like night and day.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

21. Are they reporting that the events in question are an annual event done with proper notificiations?

[HEyHEY]

22. I stopped reading after the twisting of South Korea firing first

Yes, they fired, into the ocean as part of a drill. This asshole makes it sound like they fired on NK civilians or something. I'm so sick of these fucking hacks conducting their blogs knocking reporters and doing the EXACT same things they are chastising.