A realization of the country in which we live, in light of WikiLeaks release:

[NYMdaveNYI]

In the wake of the Obama Administration’s reaction to the latest WikiLeaks release, I’ve realized something.

If and when Mr. Assange suddenly dies in a “car crash,” or mysteriously takes too many pain medications, et cetera: Bush, Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, they will all be smiling and laughing, and sleeping sound. Why?

Because they can rest assured that this is a country that dares not prosecute the members of an administration who lied us into an illegal, unconscionable war, but rather threatens to hang those who seek to end it.

Stay strong, Mr. Assange and Pfc. Bradley Manning. Together, we can end the slaughter, we can do it.





PLEASE PLEASE K&R TO THE TOP OF THE FORUM

[Oceansaway]

1. K&R...n/t

[BrklynLiberal]

2. Too many secrets....The govt of the US has lied to just about everyone....

including those that thought they were our allies, and of course, the citizens of the US.

[bjobotts]

73. By an installed president thanks to the SC.Repubs are showing us exactly how the Nazis came to power

It is now clearly shown that had the recount continued Bush would have lost. Thanks to the SC it was a coup'...one that nearly destroyed our democracy as Bush tripled the budget to enrich his friends (Federal budget begins and ends in Oct so Obama was operating on Bush's budget for 9 months which is when the deficit tripled...a fact repubs leave out...just like jobs being lost in the months before and after Obama took office).

Republicans will lead us into complete collapse, while FOX instigates violence toward everyone else. War famine and disease when we had the solutions but voters were too lethargic to prevent the crazies from taking control of government. When have you ever heard a republican or a tea bagger say "I was wrong" or "I lied" but we know it's a daily occurrence.

[Enthusiast]

86. That sums it up..nt

[BrklynLiberal]

94. Horrifyngly true.

They Thought They Were Free..

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html

An excerpt from
They Thought They Were Free
The Germans, 1933-45
Milton Mayer

But Then It Was Too Late

"What no one seemed to notice," said a colleague of mine, a philologist, "was the ever widening gap, after 1933, between the government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know, it doesn’t make people close to their government to be told that this is a people’s government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing, to do with knowing one is governing.

"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

"This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.

<snip>

It gets more and more familiar sounding as you read on..

[peacetalksforall]

104. Know one want to discuss the source. It is not just the Bush family or the Cheney Family

or Rumsfelds or the Clintons.

If we need to know a name or two to get started - think Kissinger and Brezyniewski. Then go up the ladder and out from there to understand their umbrella holders and all the entity-associations, roganizations, foundations, think tanks that are under the umbrella. All those people are involved. The planners, the fitters, the decision makers of our lives and the financiers and media and politicians and advisors and lobbyists. It is a vast conspiracy, not just a right wing conspiracy.

The truth hurts - advice to people who don't want to know that some Dems are players in it. The truth is - some Dems are Dems by label only - to maintain the illusion.

[BrklynLiberal]

112. You are right..and the Powell Memo plays a huge roll in getting this ball rolling.

His aim was to pick up and continue the conspiracy that Gen Smedley Butler revealed.

It was Nixon who put Powell on the Supreme Court. I would guess that he really had no idea of the Pandora's box he was opening with that nomination...

http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate_accountability/powell_memo_lewis.html

Introduction
In 1971, Lewis F. Powell, then a corporate lawyer and member of the boards of 11 corporations, wrote a memo to his friend Eugene Sydnor, Jr., the Director of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. The memorandum was dated August 23, 1971, two months prior to Powell's nomination by President Nixon to the U.S. Supreme Court.

The Powell Memo did not become available to the public until long after his confirmation to the Court. It was leaked to Jack Anderson, a liberal syndicated columnist, who stirred interest in the document when he cited it as reason to doubt Powell's legal objectivity. Anderson cautioned that Powell "might use his position on the Supreme Court to put his ideas into practice...in behalf of business interests."

Though Powell's memo was not the sole influence, the Chamber and corporate activists took his advice to heart and began building a powerful array of institutions designed to shift public attitudes and beliefs over the course of years and decades. The memo influenced or inspired the creation of the Heritage Foundation, the Manhattan Institute, the Cato Institute, Citizens for a Sound Economy, Accuracy in Academe, and other powerful organizations. Their long-term focus began paying off handsomely in the 1980s, in coordination with the Reagan Administration's "hands-off business" philosophy.

<snip>

YOU REALLY HAVE TO READ THIS ENTIRE ARTICLE.

[villager]

3. Wow -- an unrec from a head-in-the-sand defender of Empire!

Tragically, good soldiers for corporate interests are found everywhere. Even on DU...

[crikkett]

113. speculative comments about unrecs are so tacky.

[villager]

114. Duly noted, Miss Manners!

;-)

[crikkett]

116. Seriously. Once, I missed, and clicked an unrec link by accident.

oh lordy did it get people's panties in a bunch.

The unrec system seems like it's a game onto itself...and so few articles on 'greatest' are well, any good at all.

[villager]

119. Well, okay, those are actually points. Sometimes an "unrec" *is* a missed button, I grant you

I guess I've just been amazed at what some people are willing to defend, as far as behavior-of-the- powerful, on this board.

And sometimes the "rec/unrec" "wars" become stand-ins for actual conversations on the topic. Which is, of course, pretty silly.

Does anyone actually prefer the "greatest" page to the "discuss" page, anyway? :shrug:

[CrispyQ]

124. I've done the same thing.

Arghh! I've asked several times to put "Recommend" in green & "Unrecommend" in red. It would provide a visual reminder. But alas...

[bemildred]

4. Revenge of the Nerds is what it is. nt

[JackRiddler]

5. Go nerds.

[Javaman]

97. I love when people talk nerdy to me. nt

[Pavulon]

6. So lets review. START treats is now fucked (ICBMs in Iran)

HEU recover in pakistan stopped, Saudi's moved closer to war with Iran so how are these two assholes heroes.

Oh and we are trying to work with china in private (were) to reunite korea.

Two gaping assholes fucked it up for LULZ. And you WILL be paying to fix it. Enjoy the show, its on you.

[NuclearDem]

9. Really?

You really think just a couple messages about how the Saudis and a bunch of other Arab countries who don't like Iran (OH NO WHAT. A. SHOCK.) want the US to bomb them is REALLY going to lead to WAR between SAUDI ARABIA and IRAN?

Look, a lot of people are fucking unreasonable over there, but not THAT unreasonable.

And how EXACTLY is START fucked? I would LOVE to hear how you're not grasping at straws here.

[Alexander]

12. This one always seems to take the FOX News point of view.

How interesting.

[Ikonoklast]

50. Must defend The Empire.

Always with this one.

[Raster]

108. Always.

[sabrina 1]

61. Yeah, I noticed that too n/t

[Enthusiast]

87. Yes, funny that. nt

[bongbong]

123. Let me pile on

I've seen the same. Rendon Group operative?

[villager]

15. well, START was fucked over by the combo of malignant Repubbies and weak Dems

but I sincerely doubt the Wikileaks folks had anything to do with Senator Kyl's treaty sabotage...

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[dbonds]

16. I can not begin to see where you find your point of view.

Is it blind allegiance to the US, or just trying to convince everyone else that wikileaks was in the wrong?

[patrice]

25. START was fucked anyway, thanks to the GOP. This may more, or less, un-fuck it.

[Dreamer Tatum]

37. Absolutely correct. nt

[okieinpain]

115. i agree with this post. n/t.

[Poboy]

7. recommend.

[handmade34]

8. rec

[patrice]

11. K & R - Into the streets!!!

peacefully.

[hfojvt]

13. What is the latest release?

I heard it had little to do with the Iraq war.

In what ways were the earlier releases supposed to help end the wars?

[NYMdaveNYI]

14. It’s ALL OVER DU.

and Go Jets!

[patrice]

27. There's a "paper" trail on those suspiciously timed trades that preceded 9/11.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

68. Nice! Names?

[patrice]

128. On the link in #28.

[patrice]

28. here:

http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&before_9/11=insidertrading

[beforeyoureyes]

98. This is a dead link, it won't come up nor the website

[patrice]

127. Hmm, works fine for me. I don't know what to tell you.

:shrug:

[patrice]

30. here's more:

http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/

[NYMdaveNYI]

40. So, the new release

proves insider trading before 9/11??????

[patrice]

42. My error in implying that; I and I suppose some others are hoping if you scan down that timeline

we could find some of the things that we ought to be looking for in the Leaks, on that particular subject.

[NYMdaveNYI]

43. But,

do these new documents say anything in regards to 9/11??

[patrice]

44. I haven't looked at them, but I guess that what we'd be looking for wouldn't be "So and so, such and

such September 11, 2001."

It's probably going to be more of a connect the dots effort.

At minimum, thus far, there's the fact that the Germans tried to warn us about 9/11 and did not support the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq. I imagine those two facts are connected, but don't have time to go after the details.

[NYMdaveNYI]

46. wow, so this has

the potential to shake up those 9/11 conspiracy folks....


it can either make or break them, if you think about it....

[patrice]

51. I'm not a 9/11 conspiracy person. 9/11 was caused by Project for a New American Century's

1997 plan to make war on Iraq.

The 9/11 terrorists were mostly Saudi Arabian, OBL was Saudi Arabian and Saudi Arabia had the most power to lose in the region from just allowing PNAC's plan to go down and make them look like weak fools to the other countries in the region, Iraq in particular, who have significant demographics amongst the same dissident sects of Islam that Saudi Arabia has.

[NYMdaveNYI]

53. Wow. I never looked at it that way.

9/11 conspiracy folks always like to use PNAC to support THEIR little theories.

thanks for that.

[patrice]

54. Scott Ritter, a weapons inspector in Iraq, talked about this in a book length interview that William

Pitt, over at Truth Out.org, wrote and published at about the same time of the Invasion. They aren't the only ones saying it though.

It makes good sense if you were in Saudi Arabia's shoes. Imagine your big buddy and business partner striking your neighbor, that would look REALLY bad for you. Knowledge of PNAC's plans had to have been pretty common in certain circles, especially amongst BushCo's circle of business partners, including the bin Ladens. PNAC's plan was shopped to Bill Clinton and turned down. Certain American leaders, Senator Jim Webb amongst them, signed letters endorsing PNAC's plan. So, if you were Saudi Arabia and knew about this, would you just stand by and let it all go down and lose your position as de facto leader in the region, or would you, figuring it's going to happen anyway and you're damned if you do and damned if you don't, set up some kind of proactive strike on the U.S., so the other leaders in your region know it was you, = PRESTIGE, but you manage to retain plausible deniability anyway, because OBL is "a black sheep".

[patrice]

55. BTW, perhaps you know that Vanity Fair did an article on Palin in which they documented that Project

for a New American Century is one of her advising groups. That's why she talks about "American Exceptionalism" all of the time. Her current assignment is to help deliver war on Iran. PNAC, afterall, isn't going to just write-off everything it invested in Wars 'r' U.S. > Iraq, without looking for a new franchisee first.

[NYMdaveNYI]

56. Wow.

Bendy Straws Half Term Moose Shootin’ Sarah Palin is connected with PNAC?

[patrice]

59. Excuse me, I'll go get the link for you.

[patrice]

62. Here you go:

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2010/10/sarah-palin-201010?currentPage=2

The small inner circle that shapes Palin’s voice day to day includes lobbyist Randy Scheunemann, a director of the neoconservative think tank Project for the New American Century, who advises Palin on foreign affairs, and Kim Daniels, a lawyer with the Thomas More Law Center, which has been called “the Christian answer to the A.C.L.U.,” who advises her on domestic issues.Text

[lunasun]

70. i didnot want to know this but thanks-gotta a little pukey now eh

Warm and effusive in public, indifferent or angry in private: this is the pattern of Palin’s behavior toward the people who make her life possible ...that article was creepy

[patrice]

71. That connection to PNAC is really troubling, especially taken in conjunction with Saudi Arabia's

interest in seeing U.S. at war with Iran.

[bjobotts]

74. You need to look at this about 9/11 by the Existentilist Cowboy

"...Like Hitler's racial claptrap and GOP economic crap, the official theory of 911 makes people feel good about being rich and self-absorbed.

'Terrorists' just hate us, it is believed, because we are 'free'. Are we? Are we free when we are lied to? Are we free when we are so easily manipulated into 'believing' a load of clap trap for which there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever? Are we free when we are clearly trained not to question authority? Are we free when lies become the basis for foreign and domestic policies? Are we free when as a result of right wing policy just one percent of the U.S. populations owns more than the rest of us combined? No!

We are not free until we accept responsibility for our own beliefs!

There is, for example, absolutely no credible or verifiable evidence to support any part of the official conspiracy theory of 911. It is not my purpose here to repeat the numerous refutations of every part of the official theory. It has been thoroughly refuted and debunked and ridiculed and only idiots have not gotten the message: no part of it is true, no part of it is supported by either fact, logic, or admissible evidence. It is thoroughly refuted.

Most recently the very existence of the alleged flights had been debunked with the government's own data! There is no wreckage traceable to Flights 93 or 77; the government's own data --BTS --indicates that Flights 11 and 77 had been mothballed! There was no wreckage traceable to any airliner found at the Pentagon. No hijackers appeared on the official autopsy report of Pentagon victims --the only official shred of evidence relative to the Pentagon. There were no airline passengers or 'hijackers' buried at Arlington National Cemetery. There is absolutely nothing to support anything said by Bush, the 911 Report or the many media minions who parroted this outrageous and absurd conspiracy theory.

Yet --it is believed but only because it was 'official' and espoused by a sitting 'President'. But it was a 'president' who stole his office. We believed it because we were blackmailed not because it was either true or support by facts..."-E-Cowboy

Think about it. The "White shirts" stopped the recount in FL by
violent assault and intimidation which has since been proven that Bush would have lost the election had the recount continued. So Bush was installed by the SC (who had vested interests) which by definition was a coup'. What kind of brain asks if it's okay to torture...severely torture and hunts for an attorney to give him permission to do just that?

Go to the Existentialist Cowboy's web site to see why this GOP is coming to power exactly the same way the Nazis did...and get ready for collapse.

[patrice]

129. Thanks for this! Stop and think about it; the government-MSM line is completely absurd. nt

[patrice]

52. See #51 - This would also fit well with any insider trading that was going on before 9/11.

[RaleighNCDUer]

101. Your playmates tend to want to quit playing when they find out

you're playing by different rules.

What if we held a war, and nobody came?

[ProSense]

17. Whom should he fear?

It's unclear from the OP who would do Assange harm.

[NYMdaveNYI]

18. use your brain.

These guys

[ProSense]

23. I'm trying. Do

you believe these will be rogue CIA or agents acting on an order, and from whom?

[NYMdaveNYI]

24. a well devised plan.

C’mon, why do think Assange doesn’t want to go out in public anymore?

They’ve had a target on his ass since WikiLeaks released that apache video...

[PeaceNikki]

29. Oh, I thought conspiracy theories were only allowed in the 9/11 forum.

:shrug:

[EFerrari]

34. It's no longer a theory when the DoD and the White House

makes statement after statement to that effect. I read here that even America's crazy uncles in the Senate woke up for a minute and demanded a prosecution.

Maybe you're just out of touch.

:shrug:

[PeaceNikki]

36. The DoD/WH made statements to the effect that they want them DEAD!?

That's what the OP said.

[EFerrari]

38. I was responding to your response to this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9644829&mesg_id=9645119

But, on the other hand, since we know America has no assassination policy, the OP is clearly over the top!

[sabrina 1]

64. Since Assange released a CIA memo a few months ago

in which 'what to do about Wikileaks, and in particular him' was discussed, this is definitely NOT just a theory. It is a Conspiracy yes, verified in the CIA memo, so therefore NOT just a theory.

He released the memo to protect himself. It was around that time that he became more public, making it more difficult for him to be disappeared since now the whole world knows who he is and who has reason to get rid of him.

The memo stated that one way to silence him was to smear him. Seems that is plan A as assassinating people is getting a bit old. But if the smear job doesn't work, and apparently no one with half a brain cell functioning, believes it, who knows if there is a plan B.

But this is NOT Conspiracy 'Theory'. It HAS been verified.

[liberation]

78. In times like these it is good to remember that "conspiracy theory" used to be Nixon's favorite quip

The more things change...

[sabrina 1]

80. Yes, I suppose if they can re-use the old stale tactics and they still

work, why spend time and money on new ones? Reading some of the comments here, it looks like they are still working.

[PeaceNikki]

110. lol, cute.

[ProSense]

31. By whom?

Did Daniel Ellsberg go into hiding?

[JDPriestly]

63. Daniel Ellsburg was pre-computer 1960s. The world has changed.

This is the age of plane and car crashes, convenient suicides and vengeance by the powerful with not the slightest nod to due process.

[RaleighNCDUer]

102. The answer is 'yes'.

There has been a CIA within the CIA for decades. There is the 'known' CIA, with dedicated intelligence professionals who care about the nation, and there is a 'hidden' CIA which operates in the dark, in black ops, under the guidance of unknown figures who are not exactly in love with democracy - a kind of CIA 'Skull & Bones' which only the 'right' people find out about which traces all the way back to Dulles.

Do I have any evidence of this? Of course not - but it is the only explanation that holds up and supports the events of the past several decades. Did the CIA kill JFK? No, but this hidden CIA did, and they have the power and connections and the virtually unlimited funding to keep that, and many other things, from coming out by any means from destroying evidence to killing witnesses.

[Raster]

131. Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a WINNAH!

[EFerrari]

19. They're going after Julian but he's in no way alone.

There are many, many people behind him. We can't let them make it only about him.

But I agree, Wikileaks threatens the impunity of the political elite. Thank goodness. lol

[bemildred]

20. Well, FUD seems to be the strategy so far. No surprise.

Going after Assange is part of that. Discredit the source, cast doubt on his motives, etc. And this is much easier if it's one guy, a rapist with venal motives and so on. If you talk about Wikileaks as a large international organization with all sorts of backers - in which Assange is just a figurehead - you can't do that, you have to talk about the material released and the history of Wikileaks and that is not where you want to go.

[EFerrari]

33. Yeppers. Julian was a good choice of a punching bag.

He's careful and tough as nails. I'm surprised, actually, that they've made so many good choices so far.

[bemildred]

39. He's the lightning rod, and he signed up for it.

:popcorn::popcorn:

[Catherina]

21. Recommended. With gratitude to both

Secretary of Defense Medal for the Defense of Freedom for Julian Assange


and a Distinguished Service Cross for PFC Manning.

[northernlights]

22. K&R nt

[pruple]

26. K&R

[BrendaBrick]

32. Manning's Status?

Does anyone know the status of PFC Bradley Manning? Any particular reporter(s) following his story? Where is he from (hometown?) Has there been any legal counsel yet to step up in his defense? Is there somewhere I can send a small donation for his defense?

I'd like to support him in anyway I can!

If so, perhaps a new thread could be initiated: "In Support Of PFC Bradley Manning"

[EFerrari]

35. If you do a search, all of that is on the net. n/t

[TheKentuckian]

41. Shrub and shooter are running around bragging about torture to anyone who will listen

so I demand full pardons for Manning and Assange (just in case).

[Enthusiast]

89. You demand?

TPTB can have you dragged in and tortured at their whim, still. They are still completely in control of this nation.

[pasto76]

45. The truth, and what happened is never harmful.

Period.

[Swampguana]

66. Agreed, I want to know.

[L0oniX]

47. USA ...home of the liars and the fearful.

[paparush]

48. K & R for TRUTH!!!

[watajob]

57. Amen!!!

[watajob]

58. Double post

[City Lights]

49. K&R!

:thumbsup:

[snappyturtle]

60. K&R I fear for these patriots' lives....hopefully, public exposure

will provide a shield.

[Zhade]

65. HEROES BOTH.

NT!

[riverbendviewgal]

67. Seems ironic that I watched 3 videos on the government today

I just watched earlier tonight RETHINK AFGHANISTAN by Robert Greenwald. I highly recommend everyone see this.

Then I watched 60 minutes tonight with Anderson Cooper on the Afghanistan situation.

Then I watched THE EDGE OF DARKNESS with Mel Gibson....Awesome.....

It was about government conspiracy and contractors...like Blackwater, XE, KBR...

The Wiki Leaks may be exposing what these videos are saying.

[Enthusiast]

90. The 60 Minutes piece

reinforced what we already knew. We knew that Afghanistan was a complete waste of lives and treasury, no different than Iraq.

[MrMickeysMom]

69. Assange is a HERO

That's my opinion. I'm entitled to it.

Bush and company were NOT entitled to their own facts, though. But lies and more lies continued.

Years ago it was the red scare, except that we've never been driven this far to the edge.

It was such a simple yet dangerous decision - either be driven to the brink, or someone steps up. My thanks to Mr. Assange for exposing this.

Now, we can watch all the media heads go after him as another terrorist.

[Cobalt-60]

79. He deserves a Freedom Medal

Secrecy = Tyranny
It's just that simple.

[Enthusiast]

91. Plus One! nt

[slay]

72. I sit in sad agreement

make sure to get the wikileaks "insurance file" - the ~1.3 gig encrypted file to be used should something happen to him or wikileaks. thousands and thousands of people already have it. useless without the key - but if and when the day comes.... ;)

[Catherina]

75. I can't recommend your post enough. n/t

[bjobotts]

76. Will it be the youth of America that saves us from the GOP?

[rainy]

99. unfortunately the youth are not paying attention and the

universities are even beholden to doners so they are not as liberal as they use to be.

[reggie the dog]

83. any way you can show us how to get that file???

[slay]

84. Sure, Ruby the Liberal posted the link in this thread earlier:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9645586

OR you can get it from most any public bittorrent site like btjunkie.org

[Celtic Raven]

77. K&R!

:thumbsup:

[Winston Wolf]

82. Gladly Kicked and Recommended.

[Enthusiast]

85. K&R

But this was no revelation to me. What I have discovered about TPTB is, if you imagine the very worst you can, you will about have them pegged. These are men that should be in a deep dark place for a very long time, instead they control the nation. These are comic book evil bad guys, like Dr. Doom or some such.

[Major Hogwash]

88. Kicked and recommended. Who will be 200?

I was 199.

[MissDeeds]

92. K&R

[davidwparker]

93. K&R

... for both of these guys.

[swilton]

95. K&R @ 1,000

Unless the Obama Administration prosecutes, they are part of the problem!

Peace to the Powerful! Long live Wikileaks!

[fatbuckel]

96. WikiLeaks is currently under a mass distributed denial of service attack.

"WikiLeaks has reported that its Web site is currently under a mass distributed denial of service attack. The attack comes around the time of an expected release of classified State Department documents, which the Obama administration says will put 'countless' lives at risk, threaten global counterterrorism operations and jeopardize US relations with its allies."

[KansDem]

100. K&R

We have become a world pariah...

[katandmoon]

103. K&R

[Love Bug]

105. My question is:

How will the Republicans exploit this event to their advantage? What laws will they push to further restrict our rights?

I am reserving judgment on this. I'm old enough to remember the Pentagon Papers and the reason for releasing those. I'm waiting to see the big 'smoking gun' in these. I'm not in favor of releasing government documents just because you can; I think there needs to be a reason and not just a fishing expedition.

Now that the thing is done we'll just have to see what's in them and go on from there.

[Jackpine Radical]

109. Republicans?

I'm getting pretty worried about what the Democrats will do along those lines.

[Goldstein1984]

106. Unqualified agreement.

What have we come to when truth becomes and enemy of the state?

[xchrom]

107. Recommend

[Justpat]

111. K&R n/t

[NNN0LHI]

117. Little late for that laugh. They had that laugh when they seen Bush's +90% approval rating

And for good reason too.

Don

[orbitalman]

118. After all, why would you need to keep something "secret?"...

Only because you did something wrong OR because you would be embarrassed. Realizing there might be reasons for secrecy, I believe the majority of them are attempted for illicit means.

[lovuian]

120. K&R

:kick:

[jotsy]

121. Done.

Return the spirit of justice to the letter of the law.

[me b zola]

122. K&R

[ProudDad]

125. K&R - for an end ...

to the Empire...

And the Dominator Hierarchies that pollute the Earth...

[Greyhound]

126. Like any parasites, they cannot live in the light. Exposing what they

do makes it impossible to pull off. People all over the world are so pissed off that it is even leaking through our wall of corporate media.
:kick: & R

[Swamp Rat]

130. k&r

[MrMickeysMom]

132. And... remember - telling people about GASLAND!

... will place your little ass on DHS's terra list!

You see? WE'RE the terrorists! Everything's clear... and we've ALWAYS been at war with Eastasia...

[alarimer]

133. The Wikileaks info is no surprise to anyone who has ever read A People's History

I think Howard Zinn got it right. This has never been OUR country; our government has always been about doing what the rich and powerful want. I would go so far as to say the government is actually the enemy of the people. The Bill of Rights was just a sop to keep the masses from revolting completely. So was the New Deal, which did not go far enough to actually help people. Foreign policy is simply to advance the cause of capitalisms. Wars are for expanding markets, nothing more. So if they have to assassinate duly elected leaders of foreign countries in order to do the bidding of corporations, they will.