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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 06:35 PM Original message |
Here's why diplomacy sometimes requires secrecy. |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
1. The fact that you know about the Turkey deal proves you are wrong. If it |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 06:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. We know because it was revealed long after the fact. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
39. That happened ten years after the fact |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
2. And another reason |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
34. +1 |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
3. Unrec. Nt |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
4. Yep, fuck us for trying to secure 90% HEU in pakistan. I mean |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. If they didn't have such an incompetent government it wouldn't have to be secured. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 06:55 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. And you assume they would automatically choose a free, democratic government? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:01 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. This manipulation of people worked so well for Iran, now didn't it? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
5. Maybe there would be fewer tense situations in the first place if there was less secrecy. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
6. Secrecy and discretion are not the same thing. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 06:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Don't you know that the best way to deal with a fuck up is to cover up? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 06:58 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Enjoy the party, its on your tab |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 06:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. It's even easier than that, imo. The unwashed are poking their noses |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 06:58 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. As you said, secrecy and discretion aren't the same thing. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:02 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. BushCo outed Valerie Plame to further their crime spree |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:03 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Please clarify how you draw a legal distinction. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. I already did. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:19 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. No, you didn't. You offered a subjective distinction, not a legal one. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:04 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. If this nation was an open dealing democracy, the CIA wouldn't even exist. NT |
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ChimpersMcSmirkers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:17 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Yeah, we shouldn't spy on our adversaries. How immoral! |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. That's the problem. Even in your sarcastic response you bely the real problem. |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 09:56 PM Response to Reply #11 |
41. The Wikileak documents were submitted to scrutiny to protect as much as possible. |
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Drale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
13. I agree with you sort of |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Excuse me, but if the government controls the flow of information, how is this a democracy? |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:18 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. It isn't. Democratic government derives power from the consent of the governed. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:22 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. I know we're not a democracy. |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:32 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. The governed consent |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:42 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. "Though the people may acquiesce, they cannot approve what they do not understand." |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
15. "You can't handle the truth!" |
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Drale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. Well we have the Tea Baggers |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:16 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Secrecy is the fuel of conspiracy theories. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:19 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Fuck just being fuel, it's fucking rocket fuel. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. What a nice strawman you have there. |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Your examples are weak as water and full of assumptions. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. Please educate yourself about history. |
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Windy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Good luck getting some here to think critically... |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
33. You're right! We best just trust our government to keep us sheeple ignorant and safe. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
37. Unrec, I denounce and distance myself from the dirt my government conducts in secrecy |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
40. Why did any DUers object to wiretaps? All communication should be transparent and published |
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