Am I the only one who is losing faith in our government over the leak?

[Ramulux]

After all the amazing information got leaked yesterday, I have to say I am more disappointed with this administration and congress and their reaction to it as I have been to anything done by the federal government in a long time.

This is world-changing information and our government is not only not responding to any of it they have decided to go after Wikileaks in a very, very, very blatant attempt to smear the source rather than even attempt to dispute the information. Stuff like this makes me feel like its hopeless, all our dirty secrets just got exposed for the whole world to see and they still are refusing to acknowledge it. It makes me truly wonder what we have to do to actually change the way Washington goes about its business because apparently using their own documents and their own words against them doesn't work. If presenting their own classified documents to the public doesn't change the way they conduct business I dont think anything ever will and that's a very frightening thought.

All I am seeing from the Obama administration is damage control, obvious damage control meant to turn the focus away from the information and on to the legality of the leak. I have lost what little respect I had for Obama and many of the dems in congress over this event because it shows how pathetic and desperate to protect their friends they are. For me, this really is the last straw, I really dont care what Obama has to say anymore because he is a lying disingenuous chump carrying water for criminals in his administration and the previous one. Its hard for me to get excited about something like weak-sauce healthcare reform when this administration has the opportunity to truly "change" the way our government goes about doing business. Obama was lying about the whole change thing, this was the ultimate opportunity to actually do some change and have the evidence to back you up, and he not only blew it he is actively fighting against it and trying to smear an organization for obviously political reasons. Thats not the guy I voted for and I am sick of making excuses for him, I literally dont feel like defending any of the good things he does when he can engage in such disgusting politically motivated attacks.

I am glad that the media in the rest of the world seems to be taking this seriously and actually discussing the information that was leaked. It will very likely change things throughout Europe for the better in the long run because the people now know that they are being lied to and aren't going to put up with bullshit sophistry meant to distract them from what the government is actually doing. Sadly, I dont think the same thing is going to happen over here, our politicians are refusing to acknowledge it and our media will gladly go along with whatever it is they say.

[GodlessBiker]

1. How old are you? Didn't Watergate cause us to lose faith in our government?

It did for me.

[T Wolf]

5. Each of us learns the truth about our wonderful nation in our own way, at different

times.

For me, it was the 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago that solidified my concept of what the US really was.

As for Watergate - by that time, I expected the worst, and got it.

Betrayal by supposed "friends" hits harder than expected abuse from enemies.

I now am firmly and completely in the "tear it down and replace it with anything camp. Reform is futile, and we are not even getting that for all the hope and change we were promised.

[niyad]

13. bay of pigs, cuban missile crisis, jfk's assassination, gulf of tonkin, the 68 convention. . . .

by the time watergate came, lies and betrayal were all I expected from our govt, and that is pretty much all we have gotten.

[ladjf]

26. My moment of total disillusionment was when the Supreme Court

appointed Bush to the Presidency in 2000. If you can't trust the SC, who can you trust?

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[T Wolf]

9. I think your rose-colored glasses are squeezing your head too hard. Our government

(you know, the Democrats in office) are doing their best to continue the policies of bush and his cabal.

And it seems that they are buying into the "right" to do anything they want.

Maybe in Europe, the governments will respond to the population that has much more experience keeping tabs and taking action when necessary. Here, we meekly obey. Europeans go to the streets. Americans go to the mall.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

18. And why do we "meekly obey" ? Conditioning ? More involved

in ourselves? Sports, music, video games, being told we can't do any thing about it? I remember my father telling me "we can't fight city hall", I proved him wrong on that one many times. Are we ready to push back now?

[Common Sense Party]

3. What is so "amazing" and "world-changing" about these leaks?

I haven't heard anything I would consider "world-changing." Have you?

[Ramulux]

17. Yes, I have

Why dont you take a look at this.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4633251

So basically our ambassador to Honduras immediately claimed internally after Manuel Zelaya's government was overthrown that it was a completely illegal coup, yet at the same time publicly our elected officials were making excuses for the coup and claiming it was totally legitimate. I dont know about you, but that says to me that we made excuses for an illegal coup while we were fully aware that it was illegal. I think that's pretty monumental news, it is something that many of us suspected but until now had no documentation of, now we do.

There is so much more stuff like this, seriously just take a look through them.

[jberryhill]

20. Was everyone supposed to agree with the ambassador to Honduras?

Is the US State Department a hive mind of some sort, where any opinion by anyone is shared by everyone?

What is the "so much more stuff like this"?

[EFerrari]

4. I believe you are right to a degree about the difference between Europe and here.

We have too much faith in government to have the same kind of relationship that some European nations have with theirs. We can, though, support our indy media. They are doing a pretty good job of staying on topic so far.

[Andy823]

6. The leaks will change nothing

As far as I am concerned this is simply another attack from the right to make president Obama look bad. Why you and others seem to place all the blame on Obama when he hasn't even been in office for two years yet, is beyond me! These leaks should be showing all kinds of things about the Bush administration, so why is it that we see very little about what they did being posted, but all kinds of stuff that try and make Obama, Clinton, and the rest of his administration look bad? Sure there are things this administration has done, things that have been said, but there should be a million times more info on the Bush administration coming out, and yet we see very little of that information being posted!

[CrispyQ]

21. The anger toward the current administration

has a lot to do with their zeal to investigate Wiki, but their willingness to 'look forward' with bush/cheney.

[earth mom]

29. How many YEARS is it gonna take for Obama to push for REAL Hope & Change?!

Hope & Change was a LIE and people are waking up to that truth and are sick of the excuses and b.s.

Stop living in denial.

[Kaleva]

7. There's a handful of others so you're not alone.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

8. None of this should by very surprising, just a look behind

the curtain, this is what all governments do. I have personally seen a lot of it in my 69 years.

[slackmaster]

10. LOL!

I haven't had any faith in our government since about 1969.

[Angry Dragon]

11. I lost it in 1963 .........

[Systematic Chaos]

12. It's just another in a long string of disappointments I've seen in the past 30-odd years.

I'm 41 right now, but I remember the Iran hostage crisis, and how those hostages were "conveniently" let go the day Reagan took office. And there hasn't been an administration since which has given me much hope. Bush the Elder was a complete joke. Clinton wasn't terrible, really, but granting "Most Favored Nation" trading status to China just infuriated me, as did Welfare Reform and NAFTA. And we all know how much shit we've had to wade through since 2000.

If it's any indication, I'm a Kucinich/Wellstone/Grayson type of liberal, so until we see another true Progressive at the helm who's not afraid to tell the wingnuts to go piss up a rope, I'm not expecting anything to really improve.

[CrispyQ]

22. The hostage release on Reagan's inauguration day, was the day my eyes were opened. -nt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

14. But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants is the liberty of

"But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants is the liberty of appearing." Thomas Paine

And, from the same author,

"Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." Thomas Paine

[pacalo]

15. It took these leaks to cause you to lose faith?

My tipping point came as early as 1963 when JFK was assassinated, then RFK & MLK.

Then came Viet Nam, Watergate, Clinton witchhunt, the boy king ramrodded into the WH, 9/11, Iraq...

These leaks serve more as an affirmation of what we knew all along: not all is what the government wants us to believe. It doesn't have state secrets -- Assange took great care to have the WH review & redact problem areas -- but only serves as an embarrassment that their corrupted, duplicitous way of doing business has been exposed.

[TheWraith]

16. How is it "world changing information?"

Please explain in detail.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. I lost I a long time ago but...

Mostly normal, everyday cables...nothing world shattering. These is what these things are...

Curious if some of my people ended in them though...

The joys of working in the Casablanca of the West.

[gristy]

23. You're never the only one.

Doesn't matter the topic or activity.

[2Design]

24. were you around for the last admin = most leaks about them n/t

[damntexdem]

25. Yes. Others had already lost faith.

;-)

Well, no, the leaks do show things may be even worse than suspected.

[timtom]

27. It was the JFK assassination that did it for me.

I was in the Marine Corps at the time, ended up over in Saigon, saw what a sham the whole thing was, and I've been tainted vis-a-vis the government ever since.

My attitude toward the government is a presumption of guilt.

To paraphrase Quincy Adams Wagstaff (Groucho Marx in "Horsefeathers"),


"Whatever it is...they're complicit."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtMV44yoXZ0
for the attribution.

[earth mom]

28. I lost faith a long time ago.Hope & Change was a LIE.I'm glad to see others waking up to the truth.

nt

[ixion]

30. I lost faith in the government decades ago

this is just more grist for the mill.