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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 07:57 PM
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Wikileaks gives me more hope for the future than anything Dems have done
Over the last decade, it has become obvious to anyone paying attention that the very wealthy few were calling the shots and Washington does exactly what they are told, even when destroyed our middle class and our real national security to pursue goals that benefited that very few financially. Even the base of the right wing saw this clearly with the Wall Street bailout. Wall Street threatened to destroy our economy if we didn't bail them out (as if they hadn't already )and our elected representatives voted to give them the money in spite of overwhelming public opposition.

A couple of things allowed them to do all this: 1) lame propaganda reasons fed to the public that just enough believed to vote for and give a democratic seal of approval to those action, 2) middle and upper middle class people in government and the corporate media who repeat and reinforce the propaganda and enact and enforce the real policy, and most importantly, 3) those functionaries either looking the other way or keeping their mouths shut about what is really going on.

Over the past few decades, we have seen tiny cracks in that wall of silence as individuals realized that by quietly serving the financial elite, they may be enriching their own family, but they were betraying other families like theirs, their country, and the human race. Daniel Ellsberg, the Church Committee, the Iran Contra hearings, journalists like Gary Webb, insiders who spoke out about the fabrication of intelligence before the Iraq War even started, Ambassador Joe Wilson, each seemed like a rock thrown in a pond that made ripples for a moment before the flat calm returned as if nothing ever happened.

Wikileaks could be different. The sheer volume of material makes you wonder if there aren't a LOT of people contributing material, and the recent State Department document dump shows that it can do real damage both to the propaganda facade and hopefully even the real policy.

Even if Wikileaks itself is shut down, and everyone who ever funneled documents to them is thrown in prison, whistleblowing has reached a critical mass and the genie cannot be put back in the bottle. It is also likely that those who have access to even more damaging information will be emboldened the more other people put out there.

This must scare the shit out the rich more than Nat Turner scared white plantation owners in the 19th century, and it should. If Washington fails to do their job of making Wall Street, bankers, and the old money, spoiled trust fund babies subject to the rule of law instead of allowing them to make the law, some regulator told to look the other way, a soldier or diplomat asked to carry corporate water when it violates human rights or democracy, or a reporter who actually uses their skills to afflict the comfortable will air their dirty laundry in front of the whole world.

Once Washington realizes that nobody is listening when they say these leaks are treason and a danger to our national security, they will be forced to do one of two things:
  1. their jobs. Start legislating in the public interest not the interest of the wealthiest few, and bring the few to justice when they harm the rest of us and the rest of the world

    or

  2. Give up the pretense of democracy and execute the Pinochet Option.

The problem with the latter is it would depend on the same people to execute it who are now leaking like sieves, and in the long run, Americans will have no stomach for persecuting their relatives and neighbors.

The Libertarian wing of the Republican Party likes to entertain the Ayn Rand fantasy of the elite John Galts of the world withdrawing the contribution of their works and talents from the rest of us and the world falling apart, but they have it exactly backwards. First, that financial elite has no talent other than a lack of conscience and a mistaken belief that they are better than those born to the middle and working class, and second, without the willing cooperation of hundreds, even thousands of the working and middle class, they could not manipulate world events, access their fortunes, eat, and in many cases, they could not even wipe their asses since they have always had someone to do it for them.

Wikileaks isn't a crack in the dam of silence of all those people who carry water for the rich, it is the dam breaking, and the wall of water is fast approaching the mansions of those who have treated the rest of us like sheep for the slaughter for too long.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 07:58 PM
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1. Amen, brother!
O8)

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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 07:59 PM
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2. kick and Rec! n/t
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 08:01 PM
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3. Same Here (nt)
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 08:06 PM
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4. Sad but true
i wish the Dems still stood for the people. :(
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 08:09 PM
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5. Recommend -- I don't agree with everything you said
But economic justice is paramount fight our contemporary history.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 08:10 PM
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6. Great post, Yurbud. I want the dam completely demolished...
...and the rivers to run wild again.

Have I pushed that metaphor far enough, now? ;-)
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 08:18 PM
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7. I would be happier if the dam had been holding back flaming raw sewage
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 08:25 PM
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8. Wonderful post ,
:toast: IMO this man is a great American. Time to clean out the stables,and I hope he has the river to do it. K/R
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 08:55 PM
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9. delete
Edited on Mon Nov-29-10 08:56 PM by Kolesar

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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 08:55 PM
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10. Does your subject line support the thesis somehow? I don't see it.
"the Dems have done" :what?:
I do like the second sentence of your fourth paragraph, though.

Wikileaks ... The sheer volume of material makes you wonder if there aren't a LOT of people contributing material, and the recent State Department document dump shows that it can do real damage both to the propaganda facade and hopefully even the real policy.

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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 09:20 PM
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12. When I copied this to my blog, I left the Dems out
which is more damning than the negative reference.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 09:00 PM
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11. Bravo!
Even the M$M is beginning to discuss it.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 09:21 PM
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14. good! Even with a negative spin, people will get some of the gist and be more
pissed off at the right people than at Assange.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 09:04 AM
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17. It will make the sheeple curious.
I just had a discussion with one a few minutes ago. Got them pointed in the right direction. One down, millions to go.
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Marvinio Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 09:21 PM
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13. kicked nt
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 09:27 PM
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15. But..but..letting the people see how the masters decide their fate is..dangerous! K&R
Why, the next thing you know, the common herd may not go along with the great plans hatched by the "leaders"!!
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 11:59 PM
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16. they're like teenagers who tell their going to bible study when it's really the kegger where they
plan to lose their virginity.

They tell us the story that will get a yes so they can do what they want instead of telling us the truth so we can decide whether to support it or not.

Wikileaks hasn't quite gotten to those core truths, but I'm suspecting they will.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:58 AM
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18. Great commentary yurbud


With so much decision-making hidden from us, so many lies, so much rationalized greed and violence directed at We The People, it is absolutely refreshing to hear some TRUTH. Wikileaks is like a cold drink of water after days in the desert.


There's a saying in the (mostly useless) Bobble: "Everything hidden will be revealed; what you whisper in your closet will be shouted from the rooftops."

Let's hope that prophecy, at least, is completely accurate.

Seems exposing the corruption and malfeasance in the most embarrassing ways possible is the only hold we have on reality.



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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 01:33 PM
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19. send that to congress, justice dept, and Obama
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 01:57 PM
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20. Sure thing lol


if only they cared what a teeny, poor, middle-aged woman thought, I might!



:pals:
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 06:17 PM
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21. WikiLeaks is a tsunami heading for the powerful. Those F'ers better start running.
The Truth is breaking out of the carefully cemented prison built by those who would laughingly kill us all if it maintained their purposes.

What WikiLeaks has done is punch holes in the stone walls of secrecy that those in power have so carefully built to hide what they are doing from the people, in our name, and now that Truth is pouring out for all to see.


The Shadow Government has at long, painful last, lost control over the information.


I think what is happening right now is the most significant push forward in our lifetime, for people everywhere, in every country, to regain control over their lives, their lands and their destiny.



I can only stand in my tiny little corner of the world, look around and just let this feeling wash over me, because it is very real. Our world will never be the same now.


The truth shall set us free.


Thank God.





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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 06:22 PM
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23. Now you only know what assange wants you to.
the truth has been pretty cool. US working to unify korea and secure nuclear materials. Iran really is working on nukes.

All things with consequences you may not like. Bet boost phase interceptor is funded within 90 days.

Enjoy the show, your paying for it.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 06:20 PM
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22. what has wikileaks changed?
not a damned thing- nor will it. pinning your hopes for the future on this endeavor is fruitless. the dam breaking? I wish.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 09:32 PM
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26. not yet. but as I said in the OP, the more comes out, the more whistleblowers will be emboldened to
release more damning stuff.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 06:48 PM
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24. K&R K&R K&R K&R K&R!!!
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 07:18 PM
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25. K&R I think it's a reason for hope too.
I've said for a long time that the nemesis of authoritarianism is the smart individual renegade. Assange is a good example of that.

The upcoming bank leak will be the critical mass.

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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:17 PM
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27. news today of Fed lending $3.3 TRILLION to Wall St. along with Catfood Commission recs
should do it all by themselves if people were paying attention.
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