Zbigniew Brzezinski spreading paranoid conspiracy theories about Wikileaks

[Yeahyeah]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/government_programs/july-dec10/weakileaks2_11-29.html

ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI: It's not a question of worry. It's, rather, a question of whether WikiLeaks are being manipulated by interested parties that want to either complicate our relationship with other governments or want to undermine some governments, because some of these items that are being emphasized and have surfaced are very pointed.

And I wonder whether, in fact, there aren't some operations internationally, intelligence services, that are feeding stuff to WikiLeaks, because it is a unique opportunity to embarrass us, to embarrass our position, but also to undermine our relations with particular governments.

For example, leaving aside the personal gossip about Sarkozy or Berlusconi or Putin, the business about the Turks is clearly calculated in terms of its potential impact on disrupting the American-Turkish relationship...

[Segami]

1. The ' spin machine ' is out in force.

[RKP5637]

2. Now we have a whole new lineup of nations/races to be afraid of America. n/t

[alcibiades_mystery]

3. ROFL

OK, so, internet dude who says "The government wants to keep these secrets because it's all owned by corporations!" = NOT Paranoid.

Senior, brilliant diplomat suggesting that there might be some vested interest in leaking specific information = Paranoid.

DU just reached a new low for stupidity.

I'll tell you what: when GOPers are pointing to the Iran information that got out and yelling for war with Iran on the floor of Congress, we'll see just how "unmanipulated" Mr. Assange has been. We already have Netanyahu trumpeting the leaks to the ceiling on this very issue.

What will the Assange Cult say when the Wikileaks actually enables a military action on Iran? I wonder.

By the way, Brzezinski's being nice. He could have said that Mr. Assange himself is acting as an agent for interested government agencies, which is probably closer to the truth than that he's an innocent lamb being manipulated by somebody.

[Yeahyeah]

5. Damn.I thought Zbiggy was paranoid.

[Metric System]

6. It does seem like the drum beats for war with Iran have begun. Just listen...and watch.

[defendandprotect]

21. Joe Biden repeatedly over last year told Israel they'd be "justified" to attack Iran!-!!

[ironrooster]

7. Yes. It is quite possible he is being manipulated

The LACK of truly "damaging" material is interesting. From what I can see so far, this is a bunch of
gossip column outakes. If I were an agency feeding Wikileaks, I sure as hell would make sure nothing
truly damaging to the security of the US got out. Understand that I'm not saying that any of the releases were
faked - just that the possibility exists that the releases were handpicked. I'm not saying
probable - just possible.

[Frank Booth]

11. The leaks definitely show an international concensus toward attacking Iran.

Does that consensus actually exist, or were cables selectively leaked to falsely portray a consensus?

I agree that Brzezinski may be on to something.

[HEyHEY]

16. Oh, wikileaks is the PERFECT tool for spreading false information

It's is RIPE for being perverted by governments, if it isn't being used for that already.

[PeaceNikki]

30. Yeah... this.

[Hissyspit]

19. Oh, good god.

[dixiegrrrrl]

4. Brzezinski, the Dem's Kissinger.

Sounds like Wiki just leaked all over Brzezinski's Grand Chessboard.
( If you haven't read the book yet, it is highly recommended).

I am glad to hear he is running to the airwaves to show us how upset he is.

Honest people are content to let the truth speak for itself.

[inna]

9. +1 nt

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[LostInAnomie]

8. He's probably not too far off.

Do you really think it would be that hard to play an attention seeker like Assange?

[defendandprotect]

23. Right -- not likely US wants to attack Iran ... but Wiki has made this up?

:rofl:

"eyes:

[quinnox]

26. LOL

And maybe the Illuminati is involved as well..:tinfoilhat:

[DearAbby]

27. It appeared the Government took this seriously enough

to take the time to warn other nations about it before the release...if it were seeded lies, why bother? Just call it seeded lies.

[Poll_Blind]

10. I support WikiLeaks but what Brzezinski describes is absolutely possible.

Slightly different quote from the same article:

ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI: Seeding -- seeding it is very easy.

I have no doubt that WikiLeaks is getting a lot of the stuff from sort of relatively unimportant sources, like the one that perhaps is identified on the air. But it may be getting stuff at the same time from interested intelligence parties who want to manipulate the process and achieve certain very specific objectives.

Even that snippet doesn't do his complete, hypothetical, thought justice. But I think it's a more concise description of what his point is. You've got 250,000 cables which are coming out of the sausage grinder as news stories which everyone consumes. How, exactly, do we know that the information isn't occasionally (or even heavily) being seasoned? But his point is not that the information would be manipulated in a major way but in very few instances, in very few ways- but information which would have a big impact, especially when consumed by other foreign intelligence services.

PB

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Mr. Brzezinski is exaggerating

most of this, yes spent time going through them... is the usual crap that has been going on since oh forever. My BIL was telling me of a cache they found going back to the Roman Empire and the English Frontier. Well, it was complaints about the Centurion making it out with the Noble's daughter... same shit, different century, really.

There are a few that would be worrisome, but not surprising. Ankara has been trying to become a REGIONAL power, so them fucking with us is not off, and neither is us fucking up with them... it was not supposed to be public for another fifty years. I mean, this is the bread and butter of... what diplomatic historians do.

Hell, State releases every year material to scholars and most of it... is this shit.

Serious.

I was expecting to find something really explosive, but have been going through it, and some is highly entertaining.

The powers that be don't like it, since it is exposing them for what really goes on....

Mr X of department x made contact with Ms. Y of country Z, and they exchanged names...

And it is classified since nobody wants to admit that the gentleman's name has quite a bit of well... low level intelligence work... yes spying.

I wonder if the dispatches from Mexico have my taking the secretary of the Consul general to the Hospital... would be cute. Hey, and did they bother to spell my name right?

[jberryhill]

17. Wikileaks is good - you must uncritically accept that at face value

Or be rejected by the herd.

Julian Assange is a freaking saint, and that's why he has provided unfiltered and immediate access to all of this information, which has not been culled, selected, or edited in any way.

You will not question, and you will take everything at face value.

Do you comply?

[Hissyspit]

18. No one had to uncritically accept anything at face value.

What is on WikiLeaks is what WikiLeaks is given. And, yeah, it can come from all kinds of sources and can get handled in a lot of ways before it ends up there. I know that, and I knew it before you posted. I also know it gets a LOT of eyes on it, and there is a bunch of marginalizing, propagandizing anti-WikiLeaks talking point disinformation techniques out there, too, and no one has to uncritically accept them either.

[defendandprotect]

24. Brzezinski is a right wing hawk ... but surely US doesn't want to attack Iran????

Read something about Brzezinski -- the US/CIA creation of Taliban/Al Qaeda --

and US goving into Afghanistan 6 months before the Russians came in ...

"in order to bait the Russians into Afghanistan .... in hopes of giving them a

Vietnam-type experience." !!!!


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9653280&mesg_id=9654206

[Ghost Dog]

28. It does sound like he might be pointing a finger at

Israeli intelligence circles.

[Ramulux]

13. I think hes right and I love it

I hope foreign institutions and organizations are supplying Wikileaks with information to embarrass us. The more information that comes out to embarrass us the better.

[Dreamer Tatum]

15. Why?

[defendandprotect]

25. Why? Because we are warmongering and warmaking ... and want to attack Iran!!

How do you miss that reality?

:eyes:

[Dreamer Tatum]

29. If that's true, then why doesn't Assange restrict the leaks to those relevant to "warmongering?"

Because he's a childish tool, that's why.

[defendandprotect]

33. Leaks are healthy for a democracy .... it is secrecy which is destructive of it ---

[bemildred]

14. Get used to it Zbig, there is nothing "unique" about it.

It is now the status quo.

[defendandprotect]

20. Ah, yes ... Wiki is probably being manipulated by the commies...!!!

Rather it is Brzezinski who is the great and evil manipulator -- !!!

Disgusting!!

[PeaceNikki]

31. I think this is a very important piece to read and consider.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

32. A little pre-emptive CYA by Zbig before the leaks of his cables come out.