I will never vote for another Senator for president...

[WCGreen]

They tend to take a Roberts Rule of Order book to what is essentially knife fight...

Give me a governor.

[joeybee12]

1. I'd vote for a senator who has a paper trail...

who actually accomplished something...anything...in his political career so I can get an idea as to where he really stands.

[WCGreen]

4. I am very leery of Senators getting to chummy with compromise.

[joeybee12]

11. Yeah, overall they do that...

you're right about governors...they have to fight every single day...senators have six years to blend into the wallpaper.

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[XemaSab]

2. I mean, shit

even a Marquess of Queensberry rule book would be a better choice... :P

[xchrom]

5. I had HandBags in mind when I wrote that book many years ago.

It's been terribly misinterpreted.

[BrklynLiberal]

3. The only exception that comes to mind was named Kennedy...

[WCGreen]

6. JFK was use to being a leader, getting stuff done in the Navy...

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[Jackpine Radical]

29. Where does this nonsense come from?

The top marginal rate was 91% through 1963. Kennedy was killed in 1963. It dropped to 77% under LBJ.

The tax cuts in the Republican administrations resulted in us living on credit, causing heady spending sprees. The Great Depression followed the foolhardy Harding and Coolidge economic policies. Bush the Smarter lost his election in '92 because the country was beginning to feel the hangover from Reagan's tax cut insanity, and Bush the Lesser led us from a boom time with a balanced budget into the present depression and a huge national debt that he ran up paying for his oil wars.

[AnArmyVeteran]

22. Bobby Kennedy would be kicking republican's asses right now.

But we will never have a real leader again. Real leaders wouldn't sell out themselves and their country to get elected. In order to run for office candidates have to sell out to the highest corporate bidders. We shouldn't be surprised when after they are elected they sell out the people every time. We have a whoredom, not a damned country.

Okay, sorry for the cheerful tone. But I'm fed up with no one in the democratic party having the guts to do what is right.

[WCGreen]

27. Again, RFK came from a family that demanded derisiveness in every part of their

lives...

They were groomed for leadership roles.

[bluedigger]

36. How did mocking and jeering prepare the Kennedy's for leadership?

It's an interesting concept, but I'll need a little clarification.:shrug:

[BrklynLiberal]

32. s depressing as it seems, I think you may be absolutely correct...

At this point, our best hope is that global warming cleanses this planet of the human race, and Earth can start all over again.

x(

only half kidding...

[jaxx]

7. Oh sigh.....another one.

[PeaceNikki]

8. right!?!?

:crazy:

[WCGreen]

9. Oh sigh,.. another one...

Jeez, one note...

[BrklynLiberal]

12. ..and I thought that DUers were free to express their feelings...

[WCGreen]

14. And, I can't continue to support my opinion...

Pffft.

[jaxx]

16. LOL now that is funny stuff.

The poor, poor people with a multitude of anti-Obama threads on the page and they can't handle it. LOL

[CakeGrrl]

10. So Hillary's out, Palin's on the table

:rofl:

I guess if you're drawing up a blueprint for organizing a primary challenge, this is your start...

[WCGreen]

13. Hillary has executive experience now...

[CakeGrrl]

35. How did she gain that while her boss apparently hasn't cut it according to you?

Or maybe I don't want to understand the reasoning...

:crazy:

[BrklynLiberal]

15. I would guess that not EVERY governor would make a good President....

I think there are several that would be as horrendous as the barracuda...

[WCGreen]

18. Of course...

But LBJ was in leadership and knew how to grt things done...

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

17. You're exactly right! That's been my #1 problem with Obama. He's acting as a U.S. Senator.

This is what senators do. They negotiate. They make bargains. They pursue compromise, often for comprise's sake. They don't act as leaders. There's a reason why this country seldom chooses senators for presidential material. I believe that the same would have applied to Hillary, Biden and Edwards.

[AnArmyVeteran]

20. I'd rather have a president selected by lottery...

We would end up with immensely more qualified leaders if every current elected official were replaced by people using a lottery system. How could it be any worse? It couldn't. The people on my neighborhood block alone would do a better job than all the democrats in congress or the executive branch. We don't have a government, we have a damned joke and not one person with the damn guts to do anything right. And if people were selected by lottery they wouldn't be whores to corporations or the rich. We'd have a much better chance our government officials would be honest even if people in prison were allowed to participate in the lottery.

Yeah, it's that bad and it's going to get much worse because there's not one person with guts in a high leadership position in the democratic party, not one.

[defendandprotect]

26. Agree ... we now have a hierarchal system selecting candidates ... TPB ....

they're put to the test -- and if they're ready to do what TPB want --

then they qualify and we get to vote for them!!

And, on computers .... just in case we get it wrong! :evilgrin:


We'd be better off returning to the back room dealings and let Dem Party

pick it's own candidates -- after all, corporations don't let us pick their

candidates for CEO or Board of Directors!!

[Initech]

23. Bush and Palin say hi.

[Scurrilous]

25. Yep.

Reagan too.

Gotta love them governors.

[WCGreen]

30. I would never vote for a republican so your argument does not make sense...

since this is Democratic Underground, I thought that was implicit as well covered my the thousands of posts I have made over the last seven years...

If the choice was between A democratic Senator or a republican governor, I would hold my nose and vote for the senator.

BTW, I will vote for Barack Obama because he is our president, he is the democratic party's standard barer.

[defendandprotect]

24. I'd take Don Siegelmann or Eliot Spitzer .... ???

I still trust Kucinich -- and would LOVE to have Sen. Bernie Sanders run!!

But -- truth be told I'd prefer an outsider --

[hfojvt]

28. right now Obama does not seem worse than Clinton

not much better maybe, but not any worse either. Plus, I would certainly take Senator Kerry over former Governor Bush, or Senator Feingold over former Governor Romney.

Who else was a Governor, of some big state up north? Uh, Peterson? Whalen? What if SHE ran against Senator Durbin?

[WCGreen]

31. I would never vote for a republican so that is moot point...

I thought that was implcit being that this is democratic underground.

[PeaceNikki]

34. So... Senator Feingold or Franken up against say... Romney and you'd sit out?

:shrug:

[AndrewP]

33. I was wondering how long it would take for a Clinton slam!

Perfect

[hfojvt]

37. I am surprised it took so long

must be a lot of young people on DU who cannot remember the 1990s http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/71

[ladywnch]

38. like Sarah? n/t

[sharp_stick]

39. Yeah cause that last Gov

was such a shining example of perfect Governance wasn't he.