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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:18 AM Original message |
Are we "on our way down?" |
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Leftist Agitator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
1. Your post is bad and you should feel bad. |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
2. You are confusing 'downward' with 'worse' |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:26 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. No confusion at all |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:37 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Ok fine, have it your way. |
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Extend a Hand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:41 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Do you really believe that it will be possible for our children |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:16 AM Response to Reply #7 |
25. Think about this. In our time, people like me actually get to have |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #25 |
33. A voice of reason and experience |
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Extend a Hand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:53 AM Response to Reply #25 |
81. you presume a lot |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:05 AM Response to Reply #5 |
18. It's not ignorance of history, it's recognition of some vital differences between now & then. |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #18 |
29. Look at the media over the course of this country |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 07:34 PM Response to Reply #29 |
78. I didn't say that today's youth are "clueless." |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
3. K&R |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
4. Yes, we are headed downward...quite obviously we are... |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
8. Yup, we're headed down. |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Heading down would indicate that we're in a worse place today |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. For me and my family, yes. |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:54 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Ah, I see. That's what it boils down to |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:00 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. I believe the same is true for America. |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. And as I said, trending downward |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #19 |
42. Ummm, 3 years ago there wasn't a global economic meltdown. |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 12:19 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. Three years ago we were ruled by dictators |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Who knows what we've avoided or where we're headed. |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. All I know at this very moment in time is |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. We now have a president who is willing to put a bandaid on a gushing wound. |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. The world is NOT just economics |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 01:06 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. That's right, it's not. Let's see what else there is. |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. I think you misunderstand |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Sigh. If this is what you call better, I'd hate to see worse. |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Take a time capsule to the sixties or the fifties |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:10 AM Response to Reply #9 |
82. Let's see now |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
12. I'm sure the Romans believed that their empire would last forever too. |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:59 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. The Roman Empire lasted SEVERAL centuries |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:11 AM Response to Reply #14 |
21. I don't have to prove my point. I merely have to wait a few years and my point will be proven |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:14 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. As I've said countless times |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:18 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. I never said "I give up." |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Forgive me |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:37 AM Response to Reply #31 |
37. I admire your attitude. |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #37 |
43. I look at those Tibetans and think |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:51 AM Response to Reply #14 |
44. No, but the USSR is... |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:55 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. I might have agreed with you |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
13. And if you click your heels together three times and repeat "I |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:00 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. And if you keep saying "no, no, no" forever |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:23 AM Response to Reply #16 |
30. 'Yes we can' if you force me to do it! |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:28 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Is that what this is all about? Obama has disappointed you? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
17. Mindless optimism isn't very productive either. |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:10 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. How is it mindless optimism to look at |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:36 AM Response to Reply #20 |
36. We are not in a much better world. |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:41 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. I'll refer you to this post. It's much better said than I've managed so far: |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. That is all true, and what I said is all true. |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. The words "mindless" and "optimism" |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. We are on our way down, have been, I agree that it's not necessarily a permanent condition. |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. See, where we disagree is |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. We don't disagree about that, I agree with you about that. |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. But our government can and will adapt |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. You assume your desired conclusion. |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #63 |
72. Of COURSE that's what history shows |
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StarsInHerHair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 08:55 PM Response to Reply #17 |
80. I really despise this cotton candy sweet "optimism" which comes |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
22. "We," the average people, have been down for a long time. |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:15 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Interesting that you define us as "average" |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:35 AM Response to Reply #24 |
35. If that's a snide remark, then its meaning is lost on me. |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Not snide at all. |
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Binka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 12:41 PM Response to Reply #39 |
59. No Snark Just Question...How Old Are You? |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. Wow, what a fine attitude |
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Binka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. American Humans defy your assertions |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. And I feel sorry for you |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Deleted message |
pintobean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Join the ranks |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. I'm always amused when people announce they're putting someone on ignore |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
26. If it weren't for bad luck I'd have no luck at all. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
28. Well, the eagle's been flyin' slow, and the flag's been flyin' low, and some people say |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
53. America's been fixin' to fail for as long as I can remember |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
34. Yes, we're on our way down. Everyone should be reading on the conditions before Argentina's crash. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
38. What do we make? Look at our tax structure, our wealth disparity. There is no "there" there. |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:54 AM Response to Reply #38 |
46. A small minority has most of the wealth |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
45. Yes, read the rise and fall of great powers |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
49. We are circling the drain. |
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Binka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #49 |
61. LawnLover Must Have Some Mowing To Do n/t |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
57. Yes, but since when in our history have the two parties been working so hard to TAKE it down? |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
60. Yes, too many infiltrators who are made of teflon. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
62. We're swimming in a toilet that's been flushed. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
73. A double whammy, a circular argument based on a false premise. n/t |
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TNLib (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
76. I completely agree |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
79. Minor point: the US is actually one of the oldest nations |
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